RTX 5090 ridiculous price!

[oxrufiioxo]

It is at least contradictive to opt into purchasing a halo-tier product and want it to be focused on price to performance, though. It's kind of not the target audience.

While i don't think price to performance matters vs like a 5080/5070ti and below from the same generation you'd at least hope it was moving forward each generation at each tier...

Why i said kinda sucks... For some workloads the price to performance might be ok especially those that need 32GB.

3090 and 4090 had good price to performance uplifts vs technically what they replaced I guess I was spoiled....lol

 

[Macro Device]

For some workloads

It has more than double the AI performance of the 4090 so it's definitely gonna be worth it for AI enthusiasts, especially since it has more VRAM. I think it's only within reason to buy it for gaming if you're a millionaire. Or umpteen years later when its price goes down to triple figure.

//5070 Ti theoretically beats 4090 in AI workloads that don't need more than 16 GB VRAM so it's definitely an AI oriented generation

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It has more than double the AI performance of the 4090 so it's definitely gonna be worth it for AI enthusiasts, especially since it has more VRAM. I think it's only within reason to buy it for gaming if you're a millionaire. Or umpteen years later when its price goes down to triple figure.

I mean the 3090 was 33% more expensive than the 2080ti for 58% more performance at launch.

The 4090 was 64% faster for 7% more money than the 3090.

Both still made sense for an upgrade at the high end going from 100 to 160fps is pretty large.

I guess once reviews hit we will see what we are getting for 25% more money....

 

[mama]

Short answer is if you have a 4090 be thankful and forget the existence of the 5090.

 

[Macro Device]

I guess once reviews hit we will see what we are getting for 25% more money....

100 AI points (4090) VS 250 AI points (5090; 24 GB VRAM is a non-issue) VS a million AI points (5090, 24 GB VRAM is an issue)
100 gaming points (4090) VS 130 gaming points (5090; MFG disabled) VS 220 gaming points (5090; MFG enabled)
100 non-AI prosumer points (4090) VS 140 non-AI prosumer points (5090; 24 GB VRAM is a non-issue) VS a million non-AI prosumer points (5090; 24 GB VRAM is an issue)

These numbers are rough estimates but you got the idea. Highly doubt it'll be more than 10% different anyway.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Short answer is if you have a 4090 be thankful and forget the existence of the 5090.

I think some 4090 owners will get it just because even if I sold my 4090 tomorrow I'd get 17-1800 and that's locally cash in hand... I've actually been offered 1650-1750 from people who are thinking I'm going to dump it for a 5090... But I keep my cards 4 years min so it's my 3080ti that would be sold for likely 400 ish making a 5090 not appealing if it was 1600 like the 4090 maybe lol.

 

[Divide Overflow]

Lack of competition hurts consumers overall.

 

[Zach_01]

It is at least contradictive to opt into purchasing a halo-tier product and want it to be focused on price to performance, though. It's kind of not the target audience.

Personally I’m not complaining.
This was always the case for any top “premium” tier product.
Cars for example. After a point the “performance” per price ratio drops like a stone and by performance I don’t mean only how fast a car is but all its accessories and comforts.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Personally I’m not complaining.
This was always the case for any top “premium” tier product.
Cars for example. After a point the “performance” per price ratio drops like a stone and by performance I don’t mean only how fast a car is but all its accessories and comforts.

Although if there were no speed limits how fast a car is would not matter... I don't feel cars and gpus are comparable though we have way more options for 1 I'd love if we had the same diversity of products when it came to gpus.

Also there is a massive difference in cost from an entry level car to a Bugatti compared to a 5060/5050 and a 5090 lol.... Just the maintenance cost more than a Honda civic lol.

 

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2500/1500 5090/5080

 

[Zach_01]

Although if there were no speed limits how fast a car is would not matter... I don't feel cars and gpus are comparable though we have way more options for 1 I'd love if we had the same diversity of products when it came to gpus.

Also there is a massive difference in cost from an entry level car to a Bugatti compared to a 5060/5050 and a 5090 lol.... Just the maintenance cost more than a Honda civic lol.

I agree but you dot have to take it there.

Just compare what a 30k car offers and what a 60k car does. With the latter you are not getting double of everything… That was my point.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I agree but you dot have to take it there.

Just compare what a 30k car offers and what a 60k car does. With the latter you are not getting double of everything… That was my point.

Although with the 5090 you are kinda getting double the hardware vs the 5080 lol and you don't have to take out a loan that cost a 5080 every month to afford it.....

Double the die size
Double the vram
Double the power consumption

But likely only 1.4x to 1.5x the perfomance which I'd argue is still more than what you get paying double for a car...

I was mostly saying even the cheapest cars let's say used for 10k the jump to 20k is massive and not the same as jumping from an 800-1000 usd gpu to a 2000 usd gpu even if the % is the same.

 

[evernessince]

Amazon price trackers seem to suggest $2300 is the cheapest you'll find one in stock in the US, and it's been that way since last summer at least.

Over here they're out of stock entirely. Refurbs for nearly £2000 ($2400) and no new stock since the last of the £2200 offerings dried up, and £2000-2200 has been the going rate for several months now.

From what I can see on CamelCamel, it was not at that $2,000 since last summer: https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B0C7JYX6LN?context=search&cpf=amazon

This particular model dipped in price during the summer. If you look at eBay sold listings, the card sells for $1,600 - $2,300 today.

I'm not saying these sources are the end all be all of pricing, it's in general hard to find longer term pricing trends due to a lack of data (I really wish there was a service that kept data longer term, I'd be willing to pay for that even). It just appears that the amount people are paying doesn't jive with the retail price of these cards, which makes sense given that Nvidia was ramping down production.

I'm of the opinion that the reduction in supply servers as a market experiment for Nvidia to test the maximum amount people are willing to pay for the card. It's no coincidence that both the 5090 and 5080 are priced exactly at what these cards are fetching aftermarket on eBay plus a smidge on top to round the number off. It's a common monopoly tactic, you gouge your customer but you still want them to buy so you price at the absolute most they are willing to pay.

 

[star-affinity]

Norwegian krone is worthless, it´s gonna cost a lot. Your own gov made this. Maybe use some oil to get it ? Maybe From Ekofisk oil field ?, We gave it to you for free !!! almost getting annoyed by comment.
You have chosen to stand alone, reap the bennefits. Or change StatOil. Your choice, i guess. If you don´t know who ruined your Krone, you need education.

You're not supposed to use acute accent like that, you should use apostophe.

Wrong: ´
Example: it´s

Correct: '
Example: it's

End of English class.
And yes, I agree the prices for the cards are high, but I also agree that is hardly a surprise.

 

[Sound_Card]

Lack of competition hurts consumers overall.

If only AMD had real RT and if FSR was not so trash, we would not be forced to spend 2k on graphics cards ...
Even if AMD had better FSR and real RT, I would still buy the NV card at whatever price, because I had driver problems on Radeon in 2002.

 

[Aken Bosch]

I'm not paying (never did) diddly squat over 700 Euros. That puts in me in the SH market (been there, done that from 970 era). 1440P is enough for me.

So I'll maybe get a new (for me) graphics card in 2028 if this trend continues (which most likely will).

 

[Eskimonster]

You're not supposed to use acute accent like that, you should use apostophe.

Wrong: ´
Example: it´s

Correct: '
Example: it's

End of English class.
And yes, I agree the prices for the cards are high, but I also agree that is hardly a surprise.

OKEY, your Right. my Comments is rendered OBSOLETE. wHat+s most FUNNY to me .,. its TRUE.

 

[Zach_01]

If only AMD had real RT and if FSR was not so trash, we would not be forced to spend 2k on graphics cards ...
Even if AMD had better FSR and real RT, I would still buy the NV card at whatever price, because I had driver problems on Radeon in 2002.

Nice comedy here

Drivers was bad 22-23 years ago and that is a valid argument…

And what is the meaning of real RT?
Does AMD fakes RT?
Jeez…

 

[Dr. Dro]

If only AMD had real RT and if FSR was not so trash, we would not be forced to spend 2k on graphics cards ...
Even if AMD had better FSR and real RT, I would still buy the NV card at whatever price, because I had driver problems on Radeon in 2002.

Only problem with this is that it is the exact mindset that drives the AMD loyalist, not the other way around. No one about to buy an RTX 5090 is actually complaining about its price, especially since the competition hasn't quite managed to catch up with the previous generation yet.

 

[Zach_01]

Only problem with this is that it is the exact mindset that drives the AMD loyalist, not the other way around. No one about to buy an RTX 5090 is actually complaining about its price, especially since the competition hasn't quite managed to catch up with the previous generation yet.

Not complaining about it maybe because 90% of potential buyers are not interested much in gaming?
The price has integrated into it the ability to do much more than gaming. And the frame buffer of 32GB is also a strong point.

Why Quadros are priced x2-4 more than x090s?
48 or 64GB of frame buffer is not worth multi k $$.
Its the ability to achieve stuff with them and by paying for them you get access to the more advanced software that is the 2nd key factor, other than the hardware itself.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Not complaining about it maybe because 90% of potential buyers are not interested much in gaming?
The price has integrated into it the ability to do much more than gaming. And the frame buffer of 32GB is also a strong point.

Why Quadros are priced x2-4 more than x090s?
48 or 64GB of frame buffer is not worth multi k $$.
Its the ability to achieve stuff with them and by paying for them you get access to the more advanced software that is the 2nd key factor, other than the hardware itself.

Oh, these will sell to gamers alright. The extreme specs don't necessarily translate to "it's a professional or AI GPU", it's just the next-generation's flagship product. It's not just the AI crowd. The latest Steam Hardware Survey places the RTX 4090 at a higher utilization rate than even the RX 580, which is by far the best selling GPU model of all time (thanks to cryptocurrency miners). List here includes iGPUs and mobile dGPUs:

 

[freeagent]

For what you get.. the price really isn't that bad. Once all the software is laid out and in place, AI in game should be pretty cool. And you get the beef of a 4090 in 2 slots.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

For what you get.. the price really isn't that bad. Once all the software is laid out and in place, AI in game should be pretty cool. And you get the beef of a 4090 in 2 slots.

Honestly the cooler if it actually cools it and the 32GB are the most appealing thing pre reviews


Again all of us are just speculating Nvidia seems decent confident in it reviews are hella early J2C has a build with one already lol.

 

[Ruru]

No matter the price, sheep will buy these and we can thank them for continuously increasing prices.

Wonder why practically no gamer bought a GTX Titan/Titan Black/Titan X/Xp for ~1000EUR but now it's totally okay to get a 2500EUR+ card every two years. Inflation isn't a valid answer.

 

[freeagent]

No matter the price, sheep will buy these and we can thank them for continuously increasing prices.

Wonder why practically no gamer bought a GTX Titan/Titan Black/Titan X/Xp for ~1000EUR but now it's totally okay to get a 2500EUR+ card every two years. Inflation isn't a valid answer.

If you could you would, you know it..

People who can will, and some people who cant will find a way.