RX 6950XT or RX 6700 XT ?

[Kapone33]

The 7800X3d build is the better way to go and the only upgrades you will have to do, is CPU and GPU over the next 5 or so years. Now I dont know where you live in the EU, but I picked Belgium as the country I put the build in for the Euro cost PC Part Picker. With the few extra Euros left over, you will still need to add the cost of Windows 10 or 11 and any other small items you may need, like a keyboard/mouse and monitor.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (€459.00 @ Amazon Belgium)
CPU Cooler: Gelid Solutions Glacier 70 CFM CPU Cooler (€39.95 @ Paradigit)
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard (€179.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory (€110.89 @ Alternate Belgium)
Storage: Crucial P3 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€84.99 @ Amazon Belgium)
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT PGD 12GO Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card (€381.95 @ Azerty)
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 40 3FS MicroATX Mini Tower Case (€60.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (€116.80 @ Azerty)
Total: €1434.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-03 19:43 CEST+0200

An OEM key with a Youtube channel saving would be about $11. Those OS are not illegal but restricted to 2 or 3 resets.

QLC drive...
Lower mid range last gen AMD card...
C36 RAM...
Barely cheaper than the 4070 Ti build I linked...

Hard no from me.

Too many compromises to get that Zen 4 X3D which is only around 20% faster than Zen 3 X3D when tested with a 4090 , with all of the pitfalls of a first gen AMD platform.

There is nothing wrong with the build> It's too bad you live in Wales because I would send you an AMD card just so you could see how good they are at Gaming period and their is nothing wrong with a 6700XT for 1080P or 1440P Gaming.

 

[Sombreuil]

I haven't kept up with DDR5, what's the current equivalent of 3200/3600/CL16? I was kind of surprised to see 5000/C36 to be honest, I'd have imagined something closer to 6000mhz.

 

[Lost_Troll]

An OEM key with a Youtube channel saving would be about $11. Those OS are not illegal but restricted to 2 or 3 resets.

Every Key I have bought for Win 11 Pro, has been from the add's on TPU. I also used to buy the OEM CD packs back in the day, but some people would rather buy the retail versions, so that is why I posted what I did.

QLC drive...
Lower mid range last gen AMD card...
C36 RAM...
Barely cheaper than the 4070 Ti build I linked...

Hard no from me.

Too many compromises to get that Zen 4 X3D which is only around 20% faster than Zen 3 X3D when tested with a 4090 , with all of the pitfalls of a first gen AMD platform.

I think telling someone to build an older platform so they can spend half their budget on an overpriced video card that they will have to upgrade their whole system in 3 years is a "Hard No From Me".

Also, calling every one that does not agree with you a fanboy is ignorant as well. Most of us do agree that is a good card, but not at the 3080 Ti and non-Ti prices. If the 4070 Ti was 500$ I would agree with you that it would be the better card, but at 800$, it is not, and this is the issue that everyone in this tread has with the card. As long as people keep buying all of these overpriced video cards, they will never lower the price of them, Nvidia and AMD.

 

[Arcar]

You'll lose out on some GPU performance but it's more future proof because of AM5 & the best "gaming" CPU out there.

Plus its better / more value for money to get a strong platform and uograde the gpu several times on it.

nd 7800X3D is the beginning of AM5. 6700 XT makes all the sense in the world if you play 1080p with a bit RT or 1440p RT completely off

I would personally choose the 7800X3D, but try to get an RX 6800.

listen to your friends it´s a good suggestion from your first post.

The 7800X3d build is the better way to go and the only upgrades you will have to d

Ok so the 6700/6800 and the 7800x3d seems to be the best option.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (€459.00 @ Amazon Belgium)
CPU Cooler: Gelid Solutions Glacier 70 CFM CPU Cooler (€39.95 @ Paradigit)
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard (€179.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory (€110.89 @ Alternate Belgium)
Storage: Crucial P3 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€84.99 @ Amazon Belgium)
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT PGD 12GO Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card (€381.95 @ Azerty)
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 40 3FS MicroATX Mini Tower Case (€60.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (€116.80 @ Azerty)
Total: €1434.48

This seems really good, i need to look at this thx

please don´t get to technical and remind yourself where the thread started. i am out

Thx lol in fact i understand less than 50% of what ppl say here (sorry about my limited knowledge about all of this )

I haven't kept up with DDR5, what's the current equivalent of 3200/3600/CL16? I was kind of surprised to see 5000/C36 to be honest, I'd have imagined something closer to 6000mhz.

I'm curious about this too.

Again thx you all for all the advice.

 

[wNotyarD]

Ok so the 6700/6800 and the 7800x3d seems to be the best option.

Calling it best option is some strong wording, but it is a very good option which enables you to upgrade easily in the span of 4 years if you do require more firepower down the line, without breaking bank right now.

 

[dgianstefani]

Every Key I have bought for Win 11 Pro, has been from the add's on TPU. I also used to buy the OEM CD packs back in the day, but some people would rather buy the retail versions, so that is why I posted what I did.


I think telling someone to build an older platform so they can spend half their budget on an overpriced video card that they will have to upgrade their whole system in 3 years is a "Hard No From Me".

Also, calling every one that does not agree with you a fanboy is ignorant as well. Most of us do agree that is a good card, but not at the 3080 Ti and non-Ti prices. If the 4070 Ti was 500$ I would agree with you that it would be the better card, but at 800$, it is not, and this is the issue that everyone in this tread has with the card. As long as people keep buying all of these overpriced video cards, they will never lower the price of them, Nvidia and AMD.

The "older platform" doesn't matter because you're pairing the "newer platform" with an entry level last generation GPU that won't even come near to saturating an i3 or an r5, let alone an X3D.

Your build is hilariously unbalanced, 7800X3D should be paired with an xx80 class GPU for it to make sense (or even begin to offer actual performance differences when compared to something just 20% slower, the 5800X3D), and it also has certain severely poor and potentially ruinous choices like a single QLC drive for games/Windows.

Maybe you shouldn't throw accusations around that I'm calling people "fanboys who disagree with me" when I mentioned only those who think VRAM is the be all and end all have fanboy perspectives, without naming names, since in TPU testing 12 GB makes zero difference, even in 4K, to the so called "running out of VRAM non future proof" problem, and that RT performance is much more decisive in any kind of "future proof" argument if you really want to go there.

No-one is contesting that GPUs are expensive these days, but that's besides the point since it's true for all vendors/brands.

If you want to contest anything I'm saying, provide data instead of words.

Ok so the 6700/6800 and the 7800x3d seems to be the best option.


This seems really good, i need to look at this thx


Thx lol in fact i understand less than 50% of what ppl say here (sorry about my limited knowledge about all of this )


I'm curious about this too.

Again thx you all for all the advice.

To be clear, this will result in about half the FPS, despite the "newer platform" than the 4070 Ti build I linked, and you have a good chance of your SSD failing within a few years due to the QLC nature and it being used for both Windows and games.

But, it's your money, and people seem to be happy to send you away with this kind of advice to cater to your AMD preferences.

 

[Lost_Troll]

I haven't kept up with DDR5, what's the current equivalent of 3200/3600/CL16? I was kind of surprised to see 5000/C36 to be honest, I'd have imagined something closer to 6000mhz.

I'm curious about this too.

Take a look at this TPU article on DDR5 scaling, they use the i9-12900K, but it would be about the same for all CPU's.

DDR5 Memory Performance Scaling with Alder Lake Core i9-12900K | TechPowerUp

 

[dgianstefani]

I haven't kept up with DDR5, what's the current equivalent of 3200/3600/CL16? I was kind of surprised to see 5000/C36 to be honest, I'd have imagined something closer to 6000mhz.

@ir_cow did testing and found 8000 C38 DDR5 is the point where it starts being faster in all tests over 4000 CL15 DDR4. So you can infer from that 3600 DDR4 would be around 7200 in DDR5, as would make sense when you consider the timings are typically doubled or worse when doubling the MT, for DDR5 vs DDR4.

Neither is achievable on AM5, you're hard limited to around 6200 MT (on a good chip/motherboard, more like 6000 on average, and less if you want high capacity).

 

[Kapone33]

@ir_cow did testing and found 8000 C38 DDR5 is the point where it starts being faster in all tests over 4000 CL15 DDR4. So you can infer from that 3600 DDR4 would be around 7200 in DDR5, as would make sense when you consider the timings are typically doubled or worse when doubling the MT, for DDR5 vs DDR4.

Neither is achievable on AM5, you're hard limited to around 6200 MT.

C'mon you would have to pay through the nose for RAM that would run that fast. AM5 is not AM4 and the RAM "speed" is not as important. You need to see an X3D chip in Action to appreciate how good they are at Gaming. It is not hyperbole.

 

[dgianstefani]

C'mon you would have to pay through the nose for RAM that would run that fast. AM5 is not AM4 and the RAM "speed" is not as important. You need to see an X3D chip in Action to appreciate how good they are at Gaming. It is not hyperbole.

X3D is in it's own class, because the 100 MB cache mostly mitigates the chiplet latency and hard cap RAM MT penalty, that's the point of them.

Frequency is extremely important if you want to compare CPUs, this includes RAM.

And you don't need to educate me on X3D, I have one.

 

[ir_cow]

@dgianstefani in the process of retesting with a RTX 4090. Still working out some benchmark details and what include.

I wrote a post back when Alder Lake first came out predicting where the cross over would be for Gear 2. At the time, just based on benching DDR4-4000 32GB Gear 1 compared to 6400 32GB Gear 2, some back hand math and around 8000 was the number. The limit of Gear 2 turned out to be a bit off with a god tier IMC holding 8600 24/7 stability on ambient (so far with 13th gen) That is what most people care about, not LN2 records.

The 8000 vs 4000 performance prediction has been right. Though, there is a ton of games and I can't test them all.

 

[wNotyarD]

C'mon you would have to pay through the nose for RAM that would run that fast. AM5 is not AM4 and the RAM "speed" is not as important. You need to see an X3D chip in Action to appreciate how good they are at Gaming. It is not hyperbole.

Well, he's advocating for a 5800X3D here so discussing 3DV$ is moot. I can see advantages to both platforms recommended here.
Either shooting for AM4 stability and 4070TI RT but sacrificing the option to upgrade later (which to some may very well be a non issue, ask anyone still running Sandy Bridge), or getting a platform which will be upgradeable (AM5 with a 7800X3D) but sacrificing some performance right now (getting the 6800, and some lower cost other components).
There's hardly mistakes choosing any, only compromises with both which OP must balance out.

 

[Kapone33]

Well, he's advocating for a 5800X3D here so discussing 3DV$ is moot. I can see advantages to both platforms recommended here.
Either shooting for AM4 stability and 4070TI RT but sacrificing the option to upgrade later (which to some may very well be a non issue, ask anyone still running Sandy Bridge), or getting a platform which will be upgradeable (AM5 with a 7800X3D) but sacrificing some performance right now (getting the 6800, and some lower cost other components).
There's hardly mistakes choosing any, only compromises with both which OP must balance out.

In my opinion AMD CPUs are best paired with AMD GPUs.

 

[wNotyarD]

In my opinion AMD CPUs are best paired with AMD GPUs.

I don't remember it ever being truly proven, not that AMD had good CPUs for more than a decade (still I used them). Personally, if I had the cash to splash and were to rebuild right now I'd get myself a 13600K with a 7900XT.

 

[Kapone33]

X3D is in it's own class, because the 100 MB cache mostly mitigates the chiplet latency and hard cap RAM MT penalty, that's the point of them.

Frequency is extremely important if you want to compare CPUs, this includes RAM.

And you don't need to educate me on X3D, I have one.

I don't remember it ever being truly proven, not that AMD had good CPUs for more than a decade (still I used them). Personally, if I had the cash to splash and were to rebuild right now I'd get myself a 13600K with a 7900XT.

I understand your sentiment but the thing is AMD is hard at work on Mobile to get the CPU/GPU combo working optimal. In the last few months they have come out and said they want to do the same thing for desktop. Funny thing about the 13900K is that it consumes way more power than my 7900X3D. I would rather my GPU use that than my CPU.

 

[ir_cow]

In my opinion AMD CPUs are best paired with AMD GPUs.

Good thing you said "opinion" .

Haven't had compatibility issues since AMD bought ATi. Besides that, it's none-sense to say one pairs better.

 

[Kapone33]

Good thing you said "opinion" .

Haven't had compatibility issues since AMD bought ATi. Besides that, it's none-sense to say one pairs better.

Isn't it all based on Opinion on PC?

 

[dgianstefani]

Isn't it all based on Opinion on PC?

No.

 

[eidairaman1]

The op asked about a 6700 or 6900 series card, not a rtx 4000 series card, stop derailing the threads.
The RX 6000 can be still bought Brand new in box

 

[dgianstefani]

The op asked about a 6700 or 6900 series card, not a rtx 4000 series card, stop derailing the threads.
The RX 6000 can be still bought Brand new in box

The OP asked what GPU he should buy for his budget.

Brand is irrelevant, regardless of his original preference.

Suggesting last gen cards in a $1500+ budget is a no go IMO.

 

[Kapone33]

No.

When you say a 4070TI is faster than a 7900xt are you are not giving your opinion?

The OP asked what GPU he should buy for his budget.

Brand is irrelevant, regardless of his original preference.

Suggesting last gen cards in a $1500+ budget is a no go IMO.

Yeah because 6000 cards are so weak.

 

[dgianstefani]

When you say a 4070TI is faster than a 7900xt are you are not giving your opinion?

No, it's a fact.

Yeah because 6000 cards are so weak.

Heard of relative? It's a thing Einstein clarified.

Why would you buy a card that can get 120 FPS when you can get one that does 200 FPS in the same budget, while also having a top tier rest of build.

That's what you're arguing for, by insisting the OP sticks with a 6700 XT in a $1500 budget.

 

[ir_cow]

Don't forget about DLSS 3 if the game supports it.

 

[R0H1T]

As far as I'm concerned nearly all Ada GPU's are bad VFM right now, though depending on where you are & thus AMD pricing they could be viable alternatives!

To be clear, this will result in about half the FPS, despite the "newer platform" than the 4070 Ti build I linked, and you have a good chance of your SSD failing within a few years due to the QLC nature and it being used for both Windows and games.

And that's your best defense? Here a much better alternative ~ Solidigm P41 Plus

 

[iameatingjam]

I haven't kept up with DDR5, what's the current equivalent of 3200/3600/CL16? I was kind of surprised to see 5000/C36 to be honest, I'd have imagined something closer to 6000mhz.

Good question, ddr5 seems to be all over the place. I would try to find something that uses hynix dies. I was blown away by how overclocklable they were. My 5600 cl36 kit is running stable at 6400 cl30. And its not even an A die. Those can be pushed even further apparently.

Hi, i try to build a new pc only for gaming and why not a little bit of streaming (1400-1500€ ), Problem is i don't know nothing about this.

In search for some gpu, i find the 6950xt attractive but the card seems huge and power hungry. In the other hand some friends advice me to pick the 6700 instead and buy a real good cpu with it (ryzen7 78003d)
Like i said it's only for gaming (1440p mostly 4k if possible). So do you think 6950 xt is good and i should buy that with a cpu that fit in my budget? or buy the 6700 xt less expensive and use the saved money to buy the super good cpu?

Thx.

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Can't go wrong with any of them really. 6700xt would be the more budget friendly option though its still quite capable and has 12GB vram. 6950x is the fastest and has 16gb vram, but as you say uses a lot of power. 6800xt is in the middle, doesn't get numbers too far off from the 6950x and also has 16gb vram. All of them are somewhat limited in bandwidth ( especially the 6700xt), but that shouldn't be problem at 1080 or 1440p.

Its the same with 4070 and 4070 ti, which have even less bandwidth than the 6800xt and 6950xt. Its a shame really, the 4070 ti is way too fast for the amount of vram and bandwidth they give it.