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RX 6950XT or RX 6700 XT ?

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No, it's a fact.

Heard of relative? It's a thing Einstein clarified.

Why would you buy a card that can get 120 FPS when you can get one that does 200 FPS in the same budget, while also having a top tier rest of build.

That's what you're arguing for, by insisting the OP sticks with a 6700 XT in a $1500 budget.
Oh you mean one that gives you 120 FPS native and one that will use extra resources to render the same frame? Then that is if the Game supports it. We both know what percentage of PC Games support DLSS so you might as well get XeSS support and recommend an ARC 770. I did not insist a 6700XT. I said there is nothing wrong with it and also 1/2 the price of the precious 4070Ti with how much VRAM?
 

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Oh you mean one that gives you 120 FPS native and one that will use extra resources to render the same frame? Then that is if the Game supports it. We both know what percentage of PC Games support DLSS so you might as well get XeSS support and recommend an ARC 770. I did not insist a 6700XT. I said there is nothing wrong with it and also 1/2 the price of the precious 4070Ti with how much VRAM?
More like 114 vs 400FPS if you're implying the 4070 Ti is faster due to DLSS 3 frame generation bud. The 200 FPS comparison was native.

4070 Ti is more than 80% faster than the 6700 XT in raster, and twice as fast in ray tracing.

6700 XT is 57% of the speed of the 4070 Ti, 52% if you turn on RT, and 30% less energy efficient.

Keep talking about VRAM though, I'm sure it's relevant to something, if not to performance.

As far as I'm concerned nearly all Ada GPU's are bad VFM right now, though depending on where you are & thus AMD pricing they could be viable alternatives!

And that's your best defense? Here a much better alternative ~ Solidigm P41 Plus
I don't need to defend anything lol.

The build being recommended had a horrific ssd and offered approximately half the gaming performance, to save what, $150? Yeah. Worth it.
 
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That point about SSD is moot then, right? I could buy a high end gen4 NVMe with 2PB endurance for around $120~130 about a month or so back. Why even bring that up when we have literally hundreds of alternatives in that space! Or do you think OP will buy the exact list of products someone suggested?
 
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More like 114 vs 400FPS if you're implying the 4070 Ti is faster due to DLSS 3 frame generation bud. The 200 FPS comparison was native.

4070 Ti is more than 80% faster than the 6700 XT in raster, and twice as fast in ray tracing.

6700 XT is 57% of the speed of the 4070 Ti, 52% if you turn on RT, and 30% less energy efficient.

Keep talking about VRAM though, I'm sure it's relevant to something, if not to performance.
Where I live a 6700XT is $450 and the cheapest 4070TI is $1199. That is more of a difference to me than anything you listed. I am so sick of hearing about Ray Tracing in a world of Mini LED and OLED with high refresh 4K panels with HDR support that it makes me laugh. VRAM does matter, ask anyone who has a 580 8 GB or 2080 or up. Then show me owners of 7000 GPUs complaining about Console port woes. The Gas bubble that is all of the fluff that Nvidia has been doing since they lost raster by tier below the highest end is so intoxicating that people don't see that through it. For some context why don't you watch the round up video on the 4060 from TPU and focus on where the 6700XT sits. Then think that a 6750XT is about 15-18% faster than that. It is so bad that most reviews compared the 7600 to the 6700XT when a 6600 card fully exists and should have been the benchmark but I digress. This is an AMD thread and the only thing that should be discussed is 6950XT or 6700XT and everything that comes between it from AMD. Right now the As Rock Taichi 6800XT is $759 on Newegg ($572 US). That is a great deal but so are 6700XT for $459. There is nothing in the Nvidia stack at the level that has the price/performance of 6700 and up cards in raster. That is a fact.

For the OP a 6950XT is uber powerful but a 6800XT is within 12-15% percent but once you are over 100 FPS (Not past he monitor range) on a 144Hz monitor of whatever resolution you will be happier than a pig in S%$#.
 

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Both are bad options compared to:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jxmKFg

The OP asked what GPU he should buy for his budget.

Brand is irrelevant, regardless of his original preference.

Suggesting last gen cards in a $1500+ budget is a no go IMO.

That's what you're arguing for, by insisting the OP sticks with a 6700 XT in a $1500 budget.

Thx for the build, it seems good no problem. It's just at first i wanted to build this pc for 4k, that's why i was thinking about the 6950xt but it seems it will be not quite good enough to do that with both the 6950xt and the 4070 (maybe not the 4070ti but it's too expensive for me unfortunatly) So i think that if i want to upgrade in the futur, it's maybe better for me to have a real good cpu + ddr5 and other good part and changing only my gpu. I know it's not the best but as far as i can play in 1080p/1440 relatively easy, i think i'm good. In any scenario, i will not be able to play 4k so maybe i should not spend too much money on something who will not give me that.
 
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Thx for the build, it seems good no problem. It's just at first i wanted to build this pc for 4k, that's why i was thinking about the 6950xt but it seems it will be not quite good enough to do that with both the 6950xt and the 4070 (maybe not the 4070ti but it's too expensive for me unfortunatly) So i think that if i want to upgrade in the futur, it's maybe better for me to have a real good cpu + ddr5 and other good part and changing only my gpu. I know it's not the best but as far as i can play in 1080p/1440 relatively easy, i think i'm good. In any scenario, i will not be able to play 4k so maybe i should not spend too much money on something who will not give me that.
You are right if you want 4K and satisfaction you need a 4080 and up or a 7900XT and up for high refresh rate. If you are just getting 60HZ even a 3070 would be enough.
 
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i will not be able to play 4k so maybe i should not spend too much money on something who will not give me that.
I'd say 4k is still unrealistic on the highest settings, for every game, even on a 4090 or future 4090Ti ~ it's a white whale IMO just like RT, best spend your energies elsewhere.
 
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I'd say 4k is still unrealistic on the highest settings, for every game, even on a 4090 or future 4090Ti ~ it's a white whale IMO just like RT, best spend your energies elsewhere.
My 7900XT does it pretty good. I have not yet found a Game that it does not like to render at 4K.
 
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I'd say 4k is still unrealistic on the highest settings, for every game, even on a 4090 or future 4090Ti ~ it's a white whale IMO just like RT, best spend your energies elsewhere.
Yeah I suspect thats why upscaling became a thing. That being said, if you're happy with 60 fps and have the highest end hardware, its certainly possible now. But admittedly, just barely. Who knows if a 4090 would be able to do it natively in a few years.
 

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Let's tone things down a bit, please. Condescending tones, passive-aggressive statements.... This is, at best, marginally better then the typical playground-level name-calling that usually pervades these discussions, but I'm relatively sure the vast majority of you can commit to a conversation without feeling the need to belittle every one else in the discussion.
 
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Thx for the build, it seems good no problem. It's just at first i wanted to build this pc for 4k, that's why i was thinking about the 6950xt but it seems it will be not quite good enough to do that with both the 6950xt and the 4070 (maybe not the 4070ti but it's too expensive for me unfortunatly) So i think that if i want to upgrade in the futur, it's maybe better for me to have a real good cpu + ddr5 and other good part and changing only my gpu. I know it's not the best but as far as i can play in 1080p/1440 relatively easy, i think i'm good. In any scenario, i will not be able to play 4k so maybe i should not spend too much money on something who will not give me that.
Your logic is sound.
Get the platform, do the big GPU investment later. Its perfectly valid to look beyond the initial purchase. The rest of the topic is mostly TPU doing the TPU thing :) I'm impressed you are skipping past all that honestly.

Another big bonus you get from 6700XT first with a godly platform, is that you get a very good idea of what performance means; in terms of CPU vs GPU performance; how it feels to have a GPU pegged at 100% utilization all the time, without ANY CPU latency dips, is a great starting point: its an optimal situation so from that base you'll know what's what if things don't perform as planned. On top of that, you have a GPU that can carry any game its gpu core can carry. Yes, there are odd titles you can push beyond 8GB on this performance level of cards and still have playable frames. Total War Warhammer 3 is a perfect example of that. Far Cry 6 @ 4k with RT is another. The future will only add more games to that list.

Basically you're avoiding all those mismatches in total system performance which is IMHO the perfect approach for a solid gaming experience. The GPU core should be the bottleneck of any gaming system. Not its VRAM. Not the CPU. And then when you do upgrade the GPU later down the line, you'll have the 'WOW moment' again, because you'll still pull out 100% utilization, but now with double FPS.

Additionally, you can still always opt to jump into RT later when it has actually gotten into a good place, because frankly, today... most implementations are simply not worth the hassle, nor the extra cost. You can still check it out though, so in that respect a 6700XT is again an ideal choice. You're not spending big on a feature you might not like after all, but you can still have a taste. This was my exact rationale before I jumped on a 7900XT... and having seen multiple games with (playable!) RT, I'm completely unimpressed. The performance hit is huge, but the improvement in visuals isn't really an improvement, more like a sidegrade versus a solid rasterized lighting and shadow implementation. Its different. Its certainly not better, and definitely not always preferable in terms of playability (sunlight in Cyberpunk for example is a complete shitshow - whoever asked to have half the screen coated in 100% brightness orange?! Thanks for the realism and burning out my retinas CDPR... reflection is another such thing in the game that is so horribly overdone... cars don't drive around looking like mirrors...).

@dgianstefani you apparently missed the mod notice above? Or are you genuinely having fun? :kookoo:
 
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So a 6950xt will suffice for 1440p @144Hz or 4K @60Hz.
or maybe wait for 7800xt which will perform about the same + have AV1 support.
 

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Guys what do you think about : Gigabyte RTX 4070 WindForce OC - 12 Go (‎GV-N4070WF3OC-12GD) for 600€? Where i live its like 650. So good deal or not? (And sorry for random questions ofc)
 

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Guys what do you think about : Gigabyte RTX 4070 WindForce OC - 12 Go (‎GV-N4070WF3OC-12GD) for 600€? Where i live its like 650. So good deal or not? (And sorry for random questions ofc)
That's better than an RDNA2 card, but the 4070 Ti should be within your reach for your budget.

Either way, the $600 4070 is the same speed as a $800 7900XT when modern lighting is used (RT). So it's a good choice.
 
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Better yet the 4070 Gaming OC vapor chamber and get 4 year warranty. These days Windforce is a joke, not as bad as the 4060 with the single heat pipe and 45 decibels supersonic fans. But who knows what kind of surprises you could run into.
 

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the 4070 Ti should be within your reach for your budget.
I can't. Its just too much for my budget to have the ryzen 7 78003d, the ram, the other part and a 4070ti (where i live its 900€ for that gpu). Cpu, ram and other part are my priority like i stated earlier in case of an upgrade but ofc i want the best i can possibly have within my budget so a cheap 4070 might interest me (although when i say "cheap" it's 250€ more than the 6700xt :()
 
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Guys what do you think about : Gigabyte RTX 4070 WindForce OC - 12 Go (‎GV-N4070WF3OC-12GD) for 600€? Where i live its like 650. So good deal or not? (And sorry for random questions ofc)
I think its a way more balanced card than the 4070 ti. 12gb and 500GB/s make sense with the speed of its GPU. The 4070 ti, not so much. If you want to go with Lovelace, I think the best choices are either the 4070 or 4090.
 
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In search for some gpu, i find the 6950xt attractive but the card seems huge and power hungry. In the other hand some friends advice me to pick the 6700 instead and buy a real good cpu with it (ryzen7 78003d)
Like i said it's only for gaming (1440p mostly 4k if possible). So do you think 6950 xt is good and i should buy that with a cpu that fit in my budget? or buy the 6700 xt less expensive and use the saved money to buy the super good cpu?

Thx.
Honestly, the RX 6700 XT is a really good value and if you wanted a 16GB card, the way that prices are at the moment, you'd be better off with the RX 6800 XT.

Of course, without knowing what country you live in, I can't really tell you much more because I won't know what anything costs for you.
 
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