Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Mussels]

Best advice: slap that +200Mhz on in the PBO settings, sit back and relax. i'm Mclovin the minimum FPS upgrade i got from 3700x to 5800x, you're likely to see a similar jump

(and then i got the 3090 and its just been balls to the wall giggling ever since)

 

[Durvelle27]

Best advice: slap that +200Mhz on in the PBO settings, sit back and relax. i'm Mclovin the minimum FPS upgrade i got from 3700x to 5800x, you're likely to see a similar jump

(and then i got the 3090 and its just been balls to the wall giggling ever since)

Previous CPU was a 3600 @4.1GHz so much upgrade

 

[Mussels]

Just got the new AGESA on my board as a beta, installation time!

CPU is not boosting as hard single threaded despite + 200 being on
this was previously all 5050

edit: after playing CP2077

so it's different, but might be more balanced?

 

[AusWolf]

I hear you man. I backed it down to stock clocks.. sigh. I didn't know about these things burning out.. Had I known that.. I probably would have stuck with the other team. Dammit. I would hate to kill good hardware. Well maybe this isn't for me after all. I don't want a dell, I want something I can overclock, and not worry about whether or not the CPU can handle it. I used to overclock until the temps got up there and then would stop. But if that isn't safe anymore.. boooo. No point in running this for much longer then. I guess I will list it locally and see what happens. If no one takes it not a huge deal, I still like it.. I just want to overclock. My max AVX temp at 4500 was 85c. A bit up there, but still under 90. I thought she was good. Seemed like it.

I understand why you and a lot of other people like overclocking, but I think modern CPUs and GPUs are so close to their limits by factory settings that overclocking only brings extremely minimal, often unnoticeable benefits nowadays.

My 5950X has its all-core frequencies hover around 3.8-3.9 GHz and a single core turbo between 4.6-5.05 GHz (depending on the core that gets the load), and its temperature sits at a comfortable 65-67 C in both cases with my H100i Platinum. I could probably get a stable overclock of around 4.2-4.4 GHz (with a lot more heat), but that's not much higher than the factory all-core clocks, and a lot lower than the stock single-threaded boost clock. Anno 2021, I'd much rather stick to faster single-threaded speeds than have an imperceptible increase with all cores - a scenario that I barely ever need just yet.

As for "the other team": the 10900K can't even maintain its factory boost frequencies with reasonable power consumption. At least Ryzen CPUs can deliver what's promised on the box.

 

[freeagent]

I understand why you and a lot of other people like overclocking, but I think modern CPUs and GPUs are so close to their limits by factory settings that overclocking only brings extremely minimal, often unnoticeable benefits nowadays.

My 5950X has its all-core frequencies hover around 3.8-3.9 GHz and a single core turbo between 4.6-5.05 GHz (depending on the core that gets the load), and its temperature sits at a comfortable 65-67 C in both cases with my H100i Platinum. I could probably get a stable overclock of around 4.2-4.4 GHz (with a lot more heat), but that's not much higher than the factory all-core clocks, and a lot lower than the stock single-threaded boost clock. Anno 2021, I'd much rather stick to faster single-threaded speeds than have an imperceptible increase with all cores - a scenario that I barely ever need just yet.

As for "the other team": the 10900K can't even maintain its factory boost frequencies with reasonable power consumption. At least Ryzen CPUs can deliver what's promised on the box.

Heheh yeah I saw that too about their boosting. I’m not heart broken about it. The only point to that all core oc was so it didn’t drop clocks under a speed I had stuck in my head. The reality is all cores still hit 4500-4600, just not all at the same time. Intel taught me how to be a control freak in that regard. I will stay the course because I really want a Vermeer lol. The positive to all of this was I am a lot more proficient at memory clocking now compared to when I was an Intel user.. but I still don’t know what the **** I’m doing

Mine still boosts just fine, I just wanted it to stay put when temps get a bit higher.. but still a satisfied customer. I don't think I can do much more with my sticks. Lowest I got was 62ns I believe, but not with my current config.. which is good for 68ns I think. I don't want to play too hard with timings because she's been getting a little grumpy lately. I know TRC and TRFC are a bit high. Best to just leave her alone. I will probably never be happy with latency.. considering I was able to get down to the mid 30s with my 3770K.

I don't have chipset drivers installed with this windows install, I think that's why my cores and volts wont drop all the way. This is au natural.

 

[Durvelle27]

Wife joining too

 

[tabascosauz]

@freeagent primaries look okay but tRFC is way too high. Primaries aren't the only deciding factor in performance, tRFC is the other 50% of the equation. At 3600 needs to be around 250-325. With an Auto tRFC of 630 you may as well just be running 3600CL16.

Just keep in mind that lower tRFC also can demand more voltage, but B-die can take up to 1.5V daily as long as you keep it cool.

It's more than just being "happy" with the highly questionable ns figure in AIDA. Ryzen hinges on getting as much performance as possible to compensate for it not being a monolithic design. Diminishing returns after a certain point, but stuff like a 350ns tRFC just defeats the purpose of the other stuff you've done.

 

[freeagent]

@freeagent primaries look okay but tRFC is way too high. Primaries aren't the only deciding factor in performance, tRFC is the other 50% of the equation. At 3600 needs to be around 250-325. With an Auto tRFC of 630 you may as well just be running 3600CL16.

Just keep in mind that lower tRFC also can demand more voltage, but B-die can take up to 1.5V daily as long as you keep it cool.

Thanks man. I was running it at 285 and all was well. Yesterday my board shit itself probably because of something I did and I had a hard time keeping it together, even with just 2 sticks. Ill go back in and play later. I know I didn't want to show that picture lol because of that.. its still fast af

 

[tabascosauz]

Thanks man. I was running it at 285 and all was well. Yesterday my board shit itself probably because of something I did and I had a hard time keeping it together, even with just 2 sticks. Ill go back in and play later. I know I didn't want to show that picture lol because of that.. its still fast af

Have you stability tested yet? I imagine the Royals you have are on the better side of B-die quality so probably around 1.4V for 3600/14, but you do have 4 sticks so maybe a lil extra.

Just don't put off the testing for too long, the errors really start to show in chkdsk and /sfc if you run an unstable config for long term

 

[freeagent]

Have you stability tested yet? I imagine the Royals you have are on the better side of B-die quality so probably around 1.4V for 3600/14, but you do have 4 sticks so maybe a lil extra.

Just don't put off the testing for too long, the errors really start to show in chkdsk and /sfc if you run an unstable config for long term

I ran memtest a few times, some IBT, some math stuff, 3d stuff. No errors to report, no memory dumps, everything looks good. When its not it usually leaves something behind to let me know. I do have to say the Royals are a little more versatile then the Black and Whites, at least with tighter timings. Both sets are running 1800 14-15-15-35 1.45v. At CL16 the Royals can do 1900 with 1.4v where the B+Ws need 1.45. I know the Royals can do CL16 at 2000 with 1.4v as well, maybe its 1.45.. I didn't spend much time there. And.. I haven't run the B+Ws on their own yet, so I'm not sure what they can do.. The Royals ca do 1900 14-15-15-35 with 1.5v, the B+Ws cannot.. at least not paired up. I am just learning how to tune right now.. always chasing that latency lol. Comes at a price though occasionally. Wish this board had dual bios..

 

[dgianstefani]

B die can run up to 1.7v daily with good temps, 1.5v is stock voltages, people have run much higher for years.

 

[freeagent]

I think I am ok with 1.5v now. It doesn't make my ram noticeably warmer then normal. I think they idle at around 25, and if I use the mem test in aida and load up all 32gb for a few hours, they load at 32c.. not bad. I am using 1.45 now running under 1900mhz. I saw gskill sells them running that high.. so why not?

 

[harm9963]

Just in time, return my 5800X for a 5950X at Micro Center , fortunate live down the street, for two months, was a pest ,it was worth it !

 

[xpg9]

The Ryzen CPU's I have bought have been some the most stable CPU's and overclockable I have ever played with This one is 7 days running I usually run them 10 days before OC so we will see what the & 3700x will do
I am a bit sketchy with a 450 board but was waiting to see what came out but gigabyte says the new Bios will run the 5000 series we shall see.

 

[harm9963]

Just got the new AGESA on my board as a beta, installation time!

CPU is not boosting as hard single threaded despite + 200 being on
this was previously all 5050

edit: after playing CP2077

so it's different, but might be more balanced?

Did you reinstalled windows and chipset 2.09.28.509 .

 

[kapone32]

So I Installed the latest AGESA update on my X570 Pro. My 5600X is OC to 4.7 GHZ and for some reason 3DMark does not show the OC. I installed the latest chipset driver and BIOS with SAM support disabled and then re enabled.

 

[Mussels]

Did you reinstalled windows and chipset 2.09.28.509 .

oh we have to reinstall after AGESA updates? no i have not done that

 

[harm9963]

oh we have to reinstall after AGESA updates? no i have not done that

Its a pain , refresh windows, cleans out left over stuff , see this with insider builds , and now with new BIOS features , chipsets , rather have a clean board to work with , want my 5950X at its best

 

[Mussels]

I reinstalled the chipset driver now

not windows. that can stay.

 

[AusWolf]

Heheh yeah I saw that too about their boosting. I’m not heart broken about it. The only point to that all core oc was so it didn’t drop clocks under a speed I had stuck in my head. The reality is all cores still hit 4500-4600, just not all at the same time. Intel taught me how to be a control freak in that regard. I will stay the course because I really want a Vermeer lol. The positive to all of this was I am a lot more proficient at memory clocking now compared to when I was an Intel user.. but I still don’t know what the **** I’m doing

Mine still boosts just fine, I just wanted it to stay put when temps get a bit higher.. but still a satisfied customer. I don't think I can do much more with my sticks. Lowest I got was 62ns I believe, but not with my current config.. which is good for 68ns I think. I don't want to play too hard with timings because she's been getting a little grumpy lately. I know TRC and TRFC are a bit high. Best to just leave her alone. I will probably never be happy with latency.. considering I was able to get down to the mid 30s with my 3770K.

I don't have chipset drivers installed with this windows install, I think that's why my cores and volts wont drop all the way. This is au natural.

Probably.

I'm not exactly sure how all core OC works. With the ASUS optimizer enabled, I get all core clocks of around 4.4 GHz, but the board pumps so much voltage into the poor CPU that power consumption shoots up to 170-180 W, and temps to 90 C. That is Comet Lake territory unacceptable. All this for a few hundred MHz all core (which I basically never use) is not worth the trouble at all.

I can imagine that some of your less used cores clock down because of insufficient voltage or TDP headroom (a wild guess).

 

[freeagent]

Probably.

I'm not exactly sure how all core OC works. With the ASUS optimizer enabled, I get all core clocks of around 4.4 GHz, but the board pumps so much voltage into the poor CPU that power consumption shoots up to 170-180 W, and temps to 90 C. That is Comet Lake territory unacceptable. All this for a few hundred MHz all core (which I basically never use) is not worth the trouble at all.

I can imagine that some of your less used cores clock down because of insufficient voltage or TDP headroom (a wild guess).

That's ok, I think for now I have given up on an all core oc, it just doesn't seem to be worth it. Im ok with it. As for my clocks not dropping to under 1ghz, I'm pretty sure that's the chipset drivers I'm lacking. 170-180w is crazy man! My rig is sipping on 78w @ the wall right now, and loaded (minus gpu) sips on about 140w, that could change though.. It depends on what my settings are. But I think it consumes less then my 3770K for the most part, if not the whole part..

Well.. she’s running! I should probably load it up with something and see how she does. It’s still running pretty cool.. I wonder if I should turn off a fan or two..

 

[kapone32]

That's ok, I think for now I have given up on an all core oc, it just doesn't seem to be worth it. Im ok with it. As for my clocks not dropping to under 1ghz, I'm pretty sure that's the chipset drivers I'm lacking. 170-180w is crazy man! My rig is sipping on 78w @ the wall right now, and loaded (minus gpu) sips on about 140w, that could change though.. It depends on what my settings are. But I think it consumes less then my 3770K for the most part, if not the whole part..

Well.. she’s running! I should probably load it up with something and see how she does. It’s still running pretty cool.. I wonder if I should turn off a fan or two..

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I think I see why you are getting high temps.. Is there a fan attached to the heatsink? Your case also does not seem to get much outside air either.

 

[biffzinker]

I think I see why you are getting high temps.. Is there a fan attached to the heatsink? Your case also does not seem to get much outside air either.

He mentioned trying out passive cooling in the show off tech purchase thread. Front of the case looks open with three fans blowing through.

 

[freeagent]

It works OK I suppose.. during the all core it sat at 4350-4325. Single core ramped right up though.. Im a little curious how it would react if I turned off my front 120s and just left the rear 120 and front 140 running.



Edit:

Ran a little Real Bench too to build a little more internal heat.

 

[Ruru]

I'm happy with this.

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 @ 4402.12 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[1v6vwk] Validated Dump by Maenad (2021-01-09 01:22:23) - MB: MSI B450M MORTAR MAX (MS-7B89) - RAM: 16384 MB

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Stability? Testing it atm, as I use my PC most for gaming, what's the best way to test stability than... gaming?