Should i switch to an AIO?

[phanbuey]

Should be a poll.

Yes but only if you're going to use something like Argus or the AIO software to control fans and pump based on liquid temperature.

AIO or anything by thermalright that takes 140mm fans is my general preference. Noctua if I have some money to burn.

 

[Vario]

Hello,

So im in the process of making a monster of a build ( full specs below ) and i decided for my CPU i'd run a i9 13900k and as everyone knows they tend to run ludicrously hot even at an idle rate. That being said i'm looking to figure out if i should switch over to an AIO. At the moment the builds not yet completed i have to get my Mobo and Gpu so i haven't tested to see what my temps are. But the cooler i picked is a Cooler Master Hyper 212, that being said im a bit skeptical about using a air cooler for a rig thats pumping out so much heat. Anyone else have this combo of cooler/ cpu?


Specs:

Case: Lian Li Dk04f
Ram: 128 GB DDR5 Gskill Trident Z5
CPU: i9 13900K
Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition
PSU: 1300W EVGA Supernova
GPU:RTX 4090 Suprim LiquidX
Motherboard:ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 Hero

I am on NHD15S, my cpu is a 12900KS, was gaming for a few hours last night in a 22C ambient room, and the max temperature I saw was 56C. I'd strongly recommend the NHD15S. That said, I'd like to do a custom loop at some point. I also owned an H100i that had pump failure within 11 months of purchase and an Asetek H50 clone that had its tubing split.

 

[ThrashZone]

None of that is waste - the used market for GPUs exist and they don't magically stop working when you decide to upgrade. A well cooled GPU which is the definition of one that's been in a custom loop will last even longer than an air cooled one. Plus you still have that brand new unused air cooler that is typically bundled with any waterblocked GPU sale.

The AIO manufacturers and sellers love the idea of a cooling system that costs peanuts to make, and if/when they eventually do fail, if it's in the pathetically short warranty period, typically two-three years, then they have the margins to send you a replacement - like yours that failed after 30 months.

I'm seeing a lot of "why would you care that the cooling system lasts indefinitely when the parts will be obsolete" type comments. That's the point, the cooling system is transferable to any future parts you'll own.

Hi,
Used water cooling gear has a large depreciation so wasted money is the same as ewaste in my book and way worse than tossing a aio if it makes it through it's warranty life span.
Good example I just saw on tpu market place a asus 3090 with ek water block for 700.us can you guess the loss on that one most 3090's were scalper bait

 

[dgianstefani]

Hi,
Used water cooling gear has a large depreciation so wasted money is the same as ewaste in my book and way worse than tossing a aio if it makes it through it's warranty life span.
Good example I just saw on tpu market place a asus 3090 with ek water block for 700.us can you guess the loss on that one most 3090's were scalper bait

Used anything in pc hardware is a large depreciation.

Wasted money is the same as e-waste. Gotcha, a ThrashZone piece of wisdom.

And what's the money wasted on AIOs or their failures damaging other parts of your PC count as?

I am on NHD15S, my cpu is a 12900KS, was gaming for a few hours last night in a 22C ambient room, and the max temperature I saw was 56C. I'd strongly recommend the NHD15S. That said, I'd like to do a custom loop at some point. I also owned an H100i that had pump failure within 11 months of purchase and an Asetek H50 clone that had its tubing split.

 

[Vya Domus]

And what's the money wasted on AIOs or their failures damaging other parts of your PC count as?

Because a custom loop can't ever leak ? Got it.

 

[Arco]

And what's the money wasted on AIOs or their failures damaging other parts of your PC count as?

Not much. Its like 150-200 bucks for an AIO. Custom loops have much more problems with leaks, failures, or user errors.

 

[DookieNukie]

Because a custom loop can't ever leak ? Got it.

custom loops are invincible only true PC enthusiasts know this you wouldn't understand

 

[dgianstefani]

Because a custom loop can't ever leak ? Got it.

Don't conflate incompetence with consumer grade trash and planned obsolescence so you buy another one three years later.

Bullet proof option with good performance and indefinite longevity - Air
Best Performance option with indefinite longevity - Custom loop
Performance (that degrades) option with questionable lifetime - AIO

 

[Arco]

Don't conflate incompetence with consumer grade trash and planned obsolescence so you buy another one three years later.

Skill level does count you know.

 

[Vya Domus]

Don't conflate incompetence

Oh, that's right, I forgot, the custom loop master race are gods among men and their loops are impervious to leaks.

 

[DookieNukie]

Don't conflate incompetence with consumer grade trash and planned obsolescence so you buy another one three years later.

Bullet proof option with good performance and indefinite longevity - Air
Best Performance option with indefinite longevity - Custom loop
Performance (that degrades) option with questionable lifetime - AIO

pretty dumb take tbh.

 

[dgianstefani]

pretty dumb take tbh.

Probably better take than using a 212 with a 300W CPU.

 

[ThrashZone]

Besides the pump thats at about 38k hr now, brass and plastic isn't going bad anytime soon

Hi,
Well D5's are pretty tough but again you have nearly passed the costs of a good quality air cooler
Shit I have 4 D5 pwm pumps and 1 D5 vario still working although I'm only using the D5 vario and one pwm so I do have three extra atm from reworking builds

Not many other items form 2 loop kits are left alive or I consider worthy of using on my hardware.
Except is couple of mediocre radiators one of which I tossed when I moved recently.

 

[DookieNukie]

Probably better take than using a 212 with a 300W CPU.

ikr its crazy even me with a bad take can see you have a worse one lmao

 

[dgianstefani]

ikr its crazy even me with a bad take can see you have a worse one lmao

Have fun with 128 GB of RAM and lots of RGB.

 

[DookieNukie]

Have fun with 128 GB of RAM and lots of RGB.

i will! at least i know i have bad takes lol

 

[Vya Domus]

When I bought my RAM which was the cheapest kit at that frequency and capacity it also had RGB, seemingly there isn't much of a choice these days, everything is plastered with RGB whether you like it or not.

 

[DookieNukie]

When I bought my RAM which was the cheapest kit at that frequency and capacity also had RGB, seemingly there isn't much of a choice these days, everything is plastered with RGB.

yea i don't see what the big deal is anyway who cares

 

[dgianstefani]

When I bought my RAM which was the cheapest at that frequency also had RGB, seemgly there isn't much of a choice these days, everything is plastered with RGB.

Corsair Vengenance DDR5 is pretty good for options with/without RGB.

The RGB circuit generates potential interference and takes from the power budget of the DIMM, so going without gives you more headroom for MHz or other tuning.

The diffuser is also a piece of plastic that reduces the effectiveness of the heatspreaders.

 

[dirtyferret]

I do 3d animation with cinemad4d and octane render engines for fun but also just said why not lol

nice!, just FYI, cinemad4d recommends up to 32GB and octane up to 64 GB. But if you want to go 128 GB for fun, by all means.

 

[ir_cow]

i will! at least i know i have bad takes lol

Anyone mention how it probably isn't going to work above DDR5-4800?

 

[dgianstefani]

Anyone mention how it probably isn't going to work above DDR5-4800?

Was thinking of it, but good advice isn't really taken much it seems.

 

[phanbuey]

Anyone mention how it probably isn't going to work above DDR5-4800?

I thought raptor lake did 128GB at 5600?

 

[DookieNukie]

Was thinking of it, but good advice isn't really taken much it seems.

Anyone mention how it probably isn't going to work above DDR5-4800?

the Z790 Hero lists support for DDR5-7800+

 

[dgianstefani]

the Z790 Hero lists support for DDR5-7800+

Yeah have fun doing that in more than two 16 GB DIMMs.