Singaporean Retailer Lists Purported Ryzen 3000 Pricing

[Super XP]

That must be EPYC and not Ryzen, right?



Are prices including taxes or without, in general?

No that's Ryzen. Based on ZEN 2. A lot of the changes is to speed up Infinity Fabric due to the latencies.

Let me find the link with this info. I'll edit in with the link.

AMD outlines its future: 7nm GPUs with PCIe 4, Zen 2, Zen 3, Zen 4

That must be EPYC and not Ryzen, right?.

You may be right, about EPYC
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...uture-7nm-gpus-with-pcie-4-zen-2-zen-3-zen-4/

 

[SL2]

No that's Ryzen. Based on ZEN 2. A lot of the changes is to speed up Infinity Fabric due to the latencies.

The Zen 2 section of the article never mentions Ryzen, and nobody expects it to have EIGHT memory channels?

Besides, the chip AMD showed has a much smaller IO die than the one in Epyc.

Edit: Yeah, I saw your edit now.

 

[EarthDog]

@EarthDog When asked of the people what they wanted from an automobile, they replied, "a faster horse".

Progress is not bad, even if it appears superfluous at first. So you don't use the features now, that's has no bearing on what will come in the future. Look at all the people who bought the i7-2600K. It was considered overkill at the time, dual-cores were still perfectly fine and there was no need for 8 threads. Quite a few of those early adopters are still very content with their purchase decision now after nearly a decade. The industry moves forward at different rates and eventually things catch up.

This is only a faster horse when software uses all the cores and threads.

Progress isn't bad, indeed... more cores and its usefulness just isn't what I call progress right now.

We are all waiting with bated breath for software to catch up... again, hex/octos have been out for almost 10 years... software has now gotten 'past' 4c/8t... again, nobody has to agree. I don't expect them to, honestly. I understand that it has to be here for it to happen... but we've all been waiting for it, and until we see momentum for the movement in software, you won't catch me holding my breath.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

8 memory channels would be very expensive in the consumer space.

True, and at the same time they're gimped, with less L3 cache and x8 PCIE, for obvious reasons.

I wonder what plans AMD have for 7 nm mobile, as I can't imagine the same design being used there as desktop 3000. My bet is a single die design launching a year after the mobile 3000H/U.

Which begs the question, will the desktop APU also be a single die design? I know about the rumor of having a separate GPU die, but it seems like a better idea to make these together with mobile APU's.

I bet the GPU will go with the IO/IMC chiplet. This is what happened with Xbox 360. Makes sense to get the GPU in close contact to the memory since it needs the bandwidth.

 

[SL2]

I bet the GPU will go with the IO/IMC chiplet. This is what happened with Xbox 360. Makes sense to get the GPU in close contact to the memory since it needs the bandwidth.

I agree, but AMD needs a mobile APU sooner or later, and I doubt the multiple die solution works in laptops. If that's true, they might as well use that same single die chip for desktop APU's, similar to the 2400G and it's mobile counterparts.

Imagine this with a GPU die added, way too big for laptops that usually have one or two heatpipes. Or would it work?

 

[Super XP]

This is only a faster horse when software uses all the cores and threads.

Progress isn't bad, indeed... more cores and its usefulness just isn't what I call progress right now.

We are all waiting with bated breath for software to catch up... again, hex/octos have been out for almost 10 years... software has now gotten 'past' 4c/8t... again, nobody has to agree. I don't expect them to, honestly. I understand that it has to be here for it to happen... but we've all been waiting for it, and until we see momentum for the movement in software, you won't catch me holding my breath.

The one place where AMD can properly compete with Intel is More Cores. This is probably the reason AMD is pumping up the core count

 

[R0H1T]

Well AMD's gpu have been superior to Intel anything for ~ since at least a decade, if not more. So there's a couple of things going in AMD's favor, the other issue - as has been mentioned - would be latency & off die GPU in case AMD does go with the chiplet route for their entire APU lineup. Part of that can be mitigated with an L4 but it goes without saying that a single die solution would be better for notebooks.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

I agree, but AMD needs a mobile APU sooner or later, and I doubt the multiple die solution works in laptops. If that's true, they might as well use that same single die chip for desktop APU's, similar to the 2400G and it's mobile counterparts.

Imagine this with a GPU die added, way too big for laptops that usually have one or two heatpipes. Or would it work?

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It has more to do with thermals than anything. Mobile Ryzen isn’t terribly efficient, which I think is due to the infinity fabric requiring so much relative power, even at idle. Mobile may require something more unique in order to complete on that front.

 

[notb]

At those prices, man...

At what prices?
It's a premium server CPU. It costs like one should. And the high price helps covering the R&D costs.
So Intel already has this tech and one day they can use it in consumer $500 part if they wish to - they just need a more dense node.

The actual manufacturing of a 22-core Xeon CPU isn't very different from 8-core consumer parts. They just need a larger piece of silicon and have more bad dies as a result (but then again, they also have 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10 and 8 core variants in the same Xeon family, so there are options ;-)).

 

[SL2]

Mobile Ryzen isn’t terribly efficient, which I think is due to the infinity fabric requiring so much relative power, even at idle.

It could be a lot of things really, maybe the chipset isn't as efficient. It used to be a lot worse than it's now, that's for sure.
This review shows that AMD has done a lot of catching up, although I've seen Ryzen laptops with higher power consumption than this. The two models below have a lot of components in common.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-EliteBook-745-G5-Ryzen-7-2700U-Laptop-Review.316656.0.html
https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-EliteBook-840-G5-i5-8250U-SSD-Full-HD-Laptop-Review.295916.0.html

Edit: Another review: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Honor-Magicbook-Intel-8250U-vs-AMD-2500U-Laptop-Review.344731.0.html

 

[GoldenX]

At what prices?
It's a premium server CPU. It costs like one should. And the high price helps covering the R&D costs.
So Intel already has this tech and one day they can use it in consumer $500 part if they wish to - they just need a more dense node.

The actual manufacturing of a 22-core Xeon CPU isn't very different from 8-core consumer parts. They just need a larger piece of silicon and have more bad dies as a result (but then again, they also have 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10 and 8 core variants in the same Xeon family, so there are options ;-)).

Tired on my part, didn't register the Xeon part. Yeah, server grade CPUs have that premium not only for the cost, but also for the very extensive guaranty, so it's totally justified.

 

[EarthDog]

The one place where AMD can properly compete with Intel is More Cores. This is probably the reason AMD is pumping up the core count

Zen 2 is going to bring Intel pain. I'm calling slightly faster IPC, competitive clocks, cheap. We'll see how Intel responds with cannon lake.

Whether I(we?) Like it or not, MOAR cores are here to stay.

extensive guaranty,

its different? They arent both 3 years?

 

[GoldenX]

its different? They arent both 3 years?

Remember the Pentium FP fiasco? Let's just say they cover a bit more than the consumers one, just in case.

 

[SL2]

We'll see how Intel responds with cannon lake.

The addition of AVX512 is pretty much the only improvement I know of so far, even if it's a crazy one. Not really for consumers tho.

"When we crank on the AVX2 and AVX512, there is no stopping the Cannon Lake chip here. At a score of 4519,
it beats a full 18-core Core i9-7980XE processor running in non-AVX mode which scores 4185. That's insane. Truly a big plus in Cannon Lake's favor. "

 

[EarthDog]

Remember the Pentium FP fiasco? Let's just say they cover a bit more than the consumers one, just in case.

I dont recall that fiasco.


https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005886/services.html

If you click on the link above, there are links for regular and xeon processors. They both go to the same page for 3 years...?

 

[GoldenX]

I dont recall that fiasco.


https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005886/services.html

If you click on the link above, there are links for regular and xeon processors. They both go to the same page for 3 years...?

Huh, they seemed to change it. Too bad, I guess the easier BIOS and microcode flashing we have now made it obsolete.
The first gen of Pentiums had precision errors on the FPU, making scientific work impossible (and dangerous), they changed their warranty after that.

 

[notb]

Tired on my part, didn't register the Xeon part. Yeah, server grade CPUs have that premium not only for the cost, but also for the very extensive guaranty, so it's totally justified.

It's actually the opposite. Tray CPUs (so what OEMs use - be it for laptop, desktop or server segment) are not covered by Intel warranty.
The OEM provides warranty for both system and parts.

Warranty is something states invented (and force) to protect customers.
Otherwise it would be almost impossible to win a case with a big company when the product doesn't work (and case costs would be higher than value of the product most of the time).

B2B relations and aftersales services are based on business agreements.

 

[ratirt]

Ryzen 3xxx series. Nice. As for me the 3700x looks gorgeous. As of previous posts, I think more cores are better. Sooner or later developers will bring support for this eventually. better to be prepared when it happens.
I'm only wondering though. 12C/24T will be ok with my board? I wonder if there's any limitations for core support on the 470x boards. Hope there's none. Although I'm sure some features wouldn't work. Is there 570x boards coming out for this specific Ryzen 3000 series? I know they are back compatible with the older mobo models.

 

[Space Lynx]

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I dunno, current models of Ryzen seem to be able to boost multiple cores to the rated speed. My 2400G would happily run all 4 cores at 3.9GHz when the proper cooling was there.

While maintaining say a 3200 XMP ram by just turning on default XMP 3200, and also in BIOS just flipping that setting that allows boost for all cores? did you run prime95?

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

While maintaining say a 3200 XMP ram by just turning on default XMP 3200, and also in BIOS just flipping that setting that allows boost for all cores? did you run prime95?

XMP 3000 RAM, doing encoding in Handbrake putting all threads at 100%. No overclocking, just running the chip on default settings.

 

[Super XP]

Ryzen 3xxx series. Nice. As for me the 3700x looks gorgeous. As of previous posts, I think more cores are better. Sooner or later developers will bring support for this eventually. better to be prepared when it happens.
I'm only wondering though. 12C/24T will be ok with my board? I wonder if there's any limitations for core support on the 470x boards. Hope there's none. Although I'm sure some features wouldn't work. Is there 570x boards coming out for this specific Ryzen 3000 series? I know they are back compatible with the older mobo models.

Yes 570x boards are going to be launched with the entire ZEN 2 release. It's because to fully utilize ZEN 2, you need a new chipset. Despite it being 370x & 470x comparable.

 

[SL2]

The upcoming desktop APU's aren't Zen 2, right?

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

The upcoming desktop APU's aren't Zen 2, right?

No desktop products have been announced, so there’s no way to know. AMD did announce 3000 series mobile parts, but they are 12nm Zen 1.5.

 

[TheMadDutchDude]

I’m super stoked for this release. I’ll be grabbing a X570 and a suitable chip replacement. I haven’t decided on core numbers yet, but I’m good with 8 for now.

 

[Final_Fighter]

going from 14nm to 12nm got amd around 300mhz give or take 50mhz. so going from 12nm to 7nm will probably get them another 300mhz so we should see procs in the 4.5ghz-4.7ghz range. i think its also safe to say we will see around 12% ipc increase form 14nm going to 7nm along with a more optimized infinity fabric. i dont expect to see 5ghz parts but an 8 core ryzen at 4.7ghz would be really nice.