The RX 6000 series Owners' Club

[rapper sjors]

My upgrade was from a 960 2gb to a 6700xt.

 

[mama]

What is the best water cooled GPU for a custom loop? Thinking about a 6950XT and assume that any water block for a 6900XT will fit but am I wrong about that?

 

[GreiverBlade]

that's a local Japan brand model but actually is the Powercolor Fighter underneath, it even shows the Powercolor brand name on the gpu shroud. Got it for the equivalent of $400 and its under warranty still.

indeed normal, KurouToshikou is the Powercolor Japan market variant from TUL, which hold Powercolor as you mentioned and also Club3D, VTX3D, Sparkle and Visiontek (that last one seems shared with HIS), 400$ nice find

It must have been a crazy jump for you replacing the 1070. I jumped from 5600xt Pulse to 6900xt and it was like night and day.
Grats

yep the jump was a refreshing breeze and i did choose the Powercolor Red Devil initially but it was way too overpriced in Switerland, a week before buying it it was still 800chf and then the week i got interested in buying it 650chf and the day i decided to order : BAM special promotion at 450 (~31% reduction? or my math is dead done and gone?)

design wise, it's literally one of the best looking card i ever had (heavy tho i might get a GPU rig, but for now no sagging ).

 

[nolive721]

indeed normal, KurouToshikou is the Powercolor Japan market variant from TUL, which hold Powercolor as you mentioned and also Club3D, VTX3D, Sparkle and Visiontek (that last one seems shared with HIS), 400$ nice find I so dig the red devils editions. Got one myself and it works great. Had one previously. Tried the sapphire as well but the red devil is the one.

yep the jump was a refreshing breeze and i did choose the Powercolor Red Devil initially but it was way too overpriced in Switerland, a week before buying it it was still 800chf and then the week i got interested in buying it 650chf and the day i decided to order : BAM special promotion at 450 (~31% reduction? or my math is dead done and gone?)

design wise, it's literally one of the best looking card i ever had (heavy tho i might get a GPU rig, but for now no sagging ).

wow you seem super knowledgeable about the brand. I actually have a PSU SFX from them in my NR200P case and it has been working well for a year or so, the card itself had positive review although considered as a low cost variant so I didn't hesitate much in the end.
I had a RX480 RED DEVIl back in the days and I loved it but just to clarify, the card I bought is the POWERCOLOR FIGHTER model and I won it at an auction so its 2nd hand product.
Still I see it as a great value considering GPU market prices (new) being still high in Japan

Actually it's only meant to be 225W TDP as the 6800's weren't meant to be highly OC'able the big OC'er was the 6800XT


Sure what do have going on that you need help with

Ok thanks for the reply but I am still confused as Techpowerup database itself is showing a 250W TDP

regarding my questions, maybe I should have given more details then, sorry about that.
so to develop a bit further

1. there is a thin buzzing noise (coil whine?) that kind reminds me of my VEGA 64LC, is that common on such card?

the noise more of a intermittent zzz...zz.zzzz..zzz electrical noise rather than coil whine type. so is that typical from RX6800 or do I have to worry about the longevity of the card?

2. I have no idea how to operate the BIOS Switch. GPUZ is telling me its on OC mode (2155Mz boost) but pushing it doesn't bring it to the Quiet bios that is meant to be down to 2105Mhz

I remember owning a RED DEVIL GPU with physical BIOS switch that you had to flip, then reboot the PC and the related BIOS mode was active at restart in Windows.
here I have tried the same way and GPUZ is telling me that its still on the OC BIOS even if I flip the switch to Quiet mode, reboot etc so I am confused at what is the correct process to switch BIOS over

3.even in OC Bios and with Custom overclocking, the Power draw barely exceeds 200W (see snapshot). I might be confused by the card behaviour but TDP is meant to be 250W for this model so why such limitation shown on WATTMAN reporting here?

Ok the GPU preforms as it should. I mean Clock wise and fps wise, its matching the Reviews I have read about the RX6800 so I am happy. and actually it does UV and OC pretty well too as I mentioned in my original post. What is confusing me here as well is that the power draw is not dramatically increasing even at Full voltage and with 10% power limit increase activated.
I have done a sanity check with HWINFO and it gives same Wattage reporting than Wattman so I am really curious to understand what could be happening? is that related to this BIOS thing I am mentioning in my point Nr2? something else?

 

[Athlonite]

Ah I see what you mean there about the TDP Wattage and in a way they're right if you use the 225W standard + 10% = 247.5W (rounded up to 250W) but that's the absolute max you'll more than likely never see that I never do on my RX6800
This is Heaven benchmark power draw max's out at 207W

and even if I crank the OC up to max it still only creeps upto 220W

as to the coil whine when does it actually happen is it during normal game play or is it only in those really high FPS areas like menus or is it happening all the time no matter what you're doing

with flipping the BIOS switch it's recommended to shut down the PC then flip the switch and reboot unless you have software like Sapphire's Trixx which allows me to switch it in software and then reboot to activate it

 

[nolive721]

Ah I see what you mean there about the TDP Wattage and in a way they're right if you use the 225W standard + 10% = 247.5W (rounded up to 250W) but that's the absolute max you'll more than likely never see that I never do on my RX6800
This is Heaven benchmark power draw max's out at 207W

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and even if I crank the OC up to max it still only creeps upto 220W

as to the coil whine when does it actually happen is it during normal game play or is it only in those really high FPS areas like menus or is it happening all the time no matter what you're doing

with flipping the BIOS switch it's recommended to shut down the PC then flip the switch and reboot unless you have software like Sapphire's Trixx which allows me to switch it in software and then reboot to activate it

Ok let me digest all that in the weekend

your Heaven benchmark is very helpful to confirm TDP question

can you share your core and men clocks just for comparison benefit?

 

[Athlonite]

Ok let me digest all that in the weekend

your Heaven benchmark is very helpful to confirm TDP question

can you share your core and men clocks just for comparison benefit?

at 2244MHz it pulls 223W @1025mV and +10% power limit but temps are crap GPU edge temp is 50c but the hotspot is 80c and it's holding back the clocks
looks like I need to redo the thermal paste on the GPU die

 

[nolive721]

Thanks

your clocks seem low or mine high
maybe silicon lottery or I am still doubtful of Wattman reporting or behavior of my card

what is your Heaven 1080p score with such OC?
Mine is 206fps avg max around 415fps

thanks!

 

[nolive721]

1. there is a thin buzzing noise (coil whine?) that kind reminds me of my VEGA 64LC, is that common on such card?

the noise more of a intermittent zzz...zz.zzzz..zzz electrical noise rather than coil whine type. so is that typical from RX6800 or do I have to worry about the longevity of the card?

2. I have no idea how to operate the BIOS Switch. GPUZ is telling me its on OC mode (2155Mz boost) but pushing it doesn't bring it to the Quiet bios that is meant to be down to 2105Mhz

I remember owning a RED DEVIL GPU with physical BIOS switch that you had to flip, then reboot the PC and the related BIOS mode was active at restart in Windows.
here I have tried the same way and GPUZ is telling me that its still on the OC BIOS even if I flip the switch to Quiet mode, reboot etc so I am confused at what is the correct process to switch BIOS over

3.even in OC Bios and with Custom overclocking, the Power draw barely exceeds 200W (see snapshot). I might be confused by the card behaviour but TDP is meant to be 250W for this model so why such limitation shown on WATTMAN reporting here?

ok TDP cleared,

now for whatever reason I have also managed to get the BIOS Switch to do something that seems right

After reboot, I now can see in GPUZ a boost clock of 2155Mhz for what is the QUIET bios switch position(and it shows 203W in MPT TDP cell) and if I switch to OC bios and reboot, GPUZ will show me 2190Mhz boost clock and MPT reporting TDP at 215W so its working as intended

now talking about MPT,I am going to give it a try with the card and report if any good to push my already decent OC a bit closer to a 6800XT stock perf.

wish me luck

 

[Athlonite]

Thanks

your clocks seem low or mine high
maybe silicon lottery or I am still doubtful of Wattman reporting or behavior of my card

what is your Heaven 1080p score with such OC?
Mine is 206fps avg max around 415fps

thanks!

15:37:18 Time: 260.608
15:37:18 Frames: 53514
15:37:18 FPS: 205.343
15:37:18 Min FPS: 52.8846
15:37:18 Max FPS: 448.893
15:37:18 Score: 5172.58

 

[nolive721]

Thanks. your score is aligned with mine then, yet I am surprised by your clocks that seem low to achieve such a score, you are sure that's 2244Mhz and for Core?

 

[mechtech]

I'm leaning towards the Asus TUF at the moment.

Just recently got a 2nd hand 6800 Asus TUF. In quiet mode BIOS, very quiet and temps low, but haven't had the time to really run it through its paces yet.
I even disabled fan stop to reduce temps more and its inaudible in the case.

 

[Athlonite]

Thanks. your score is aligned with mine then, yet I am surprised by your clocks that seem low to achieve such a score, you are sure that's 2244Mhz and for Core?

yup that's the core clks I watched them during the bench and 2236~2245 was where they hung around

 

[nolive721]

ok thanks again for the reply, much appreciated.
I think now I am going to put my brain at ease with Heaven benchmark result because with somehow similar clocks to yours and Memory OC (see snapshot), I am getting only 193fps in 1080p Extreme setting run.

I need to move to my Max OC which is 2517Mhz core to achieve same results than yours

l should not think too much and enjoy the card for what it is now, not even tried MPT since yesterday

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I'll be joining shortly. Warm up a seat for me.

 

[eyderr]

Hello guys!
I just installed a Sapphire Pulse Rx 6600. And I noticed the temperatures are high! Playing hot spot temperature is reaching 90ºC (hotspot) in some games. All in stock.

There are many reports on the internet that it is not good. What does the community recommend?
Should I be concerned?

 

[Lew Zealand]

I have a Pulse 6600XT and my Hot Spot temps can reach close to 90ºC in stock config which I understand to be fine. You want your edge temps to stay below 83-85ºC and with those Hotspots, you're edge temps are probably in the low-mid 70s which is good. I prefer lower temps than this so I run the 6600XT with a 100MHz underclock (tops out at 2500 MHz) and I rarely reach higher than 64ºC in a 27ºC room (Hotspot in the mid 80s) but perhaps the cooler on the 6600XT is maybe a bit bigger than the 6600.

 

[eyderr]

I have a Pulse 6600XT and my Hot Spot temps can reach close to 90ºC in stock config which I understand to be fine. You want your edge temps to stay below 83-85ºC and with those Hotspots, you're edge temps are probably in the low-mid 70s which is good. I prefer lower temps than this so I run the 6600XT with a 100MHz underclock (tops out at 2500 MHz) and I rarely reach higher than 64ºC in a 27ºC room (Hotspot in the mid 80s) but perhaps the cooler on the 6600XT is maybe a bit bigger than the 6600.

I'm thinking of changing the fan speed. I don't care about noises. But I'm afraid of lowering the temperature and damaging the fans because they are running at very high speeds. What would be worse?
Hot spot 90º or Fans in 90%?
thinking about longevity

 

[Lew Zealand]

I'm thinking of changing the fan speed. I don't care about noises. But I'm afraid of lowering the temperature and damaging the fans because they are running at very high speeds. What would be worse?
Hot spot 90º or Fans in 90%?
thinking about longevity

That's a real good question. I don't focus on Hot Spot temps as I'm simply used to having access to only the regular GPU temps (the Edge temps). Hot Spot was only made available for Nvidia GPUs recently in GPU-Z and you don't get them at all with Intel iGPUs (I've used these extensively in the past, only being a Radeon user for about a year and a half now).

I generally like my Edge Temps to be at ~65-68ºC, which in my 6400 and 6600XT means the Hot Spot is at about 85-88ºC under load. However the Pulse 6400 runs at about 73ºC in my Dell 9020 thanx to mediocre case ventilation and you know what, I need to have a look at the edge temps. But I'm perfectly fine with 73ºC even if the edges are at 90ºC. Dammit, I'm curious now...

What I'd do is target below 90ºC running a typical load (I use Unigine Valley, though many people seem to like Heaven) on a loop in a window and monitor everything. Turn up the fans in whatever software you use (I use Afterburner) to an acceptable level.

Here's a similar setup I used to have: a crap cooler GTX 1080 that went to 78ºC in a cool room and over 80ºC in a warm one (so hotspots to 90+ºC). So I undervolted and tuned it (0.9v, 1923 MHz cores, 11,500 MHz memory) so it used 130W instead of 180W. Topped out at 68-74ºC in cool to warm room with fans ramping up to 65 to 75%, depending on temp. IMO 100% success.

Find that happy medium on your card, as it doesn't need to be either 90% or 90ºC. It could be 75% fans and 85ºC Hot Spot and that's a nice compromise.

BTW, after years of use I bought an aftermarket cooler for fun and that 1080 now runs flat out at 62ºC Edge temps at 2100 MHz. But save those shenanigans for much later.
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Update:

FWIW, Pulse 6400 in Dell 9020 MT after a 20 minute loop in Valley at 1080p High:

27ºC room
74-75ºC GPU Temp
81-82ºC GPU Temp (Hot Spot)
GPU fan at 68%, 4000 RPM. But sounds like a normal GPU fan, not a buzzsaw so I wonder if speed is reported correctly?

Deltas are only 7ºC from die to Hot Spot in this design. The Dell case fan is lazing along, I need to see how to get it working a bit faster to get rid of build-up case heat. 6600XT next...

Pulse 6600XT (@stock settings) in Coolermaster N200 after a 20 minute loop in Valley at Ultra:

27C Room
69-70C GPU Temp
85-89C GPU Temp (Hot Spot)
GPU fan variable, topping out at 54%, 1950 RPM, noise not much different than 6400

Deltas here are close to 20C from die to Hot Spot. I'm not concerned.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

My initial opinion of the card before purchasing was that it was going to be a bottom tier card that would run loud and hot because of cost cutting measures. However upon receiving the card and making a closer inspection. I place it closer to a an MSI Gaming X level of card as the heatsink has a substantial amount of meat on it, I dont think i'll need to try and move the Acelero Xtreme over but I'll know more about temps when I get it installed.

Some side by side shots with the now deceased 1080Ti:



From the side:



Its quite a wide card.

Its going to go in shortly.

 

[Valantar]

I'm thinking of changing the fan speed. I don't care about noises. But I'm afraid of lowering the temperature and damaging the fans because they are running at very high speeds. What would be worse?
Hot spot 90º or Fans in 90%?
thinking about longevity

Hotspot temps at 90°C aren't going to affect your GPU's longevity whatsoever. Zero difference. Heck, we've all been running our GPUs that hot for decades - they just didn't have the thermal sensors to show us this before now. Fans at 90% on the other hand? That's going to wear out both their bearings and your eardrums. Failed fans are responsible for the vast majority of GPU failures. Leave it.

 

[Athlonite]

Hotspot temps at 90°C aren't going to affect your GPU's longevity whatsoever. Zero difference. Heck, we've all been running our GPUs that hot for decades - they just didn't have the thermal sensors to show us this before now. Fans at 90% on the other hand? That's going to wear out both their bearings and your eardrums. Failed fans are responsible for the vast majority of GPU failures. Leave it.

I've never had a Sapphire GPU have fan failure and I run custom fan curves on mine that don't allow the fan to turn off and hotspot temps of 90c are bloody hot they don't need to be that high

 

[Valantar]

I've never had a Sapphire GPU have fan failure and I run custom fan curves on mine that don't allow the fan to turn off and hotspot temps of 90c are bloody hot they don't need to be that high

Hotspot temps of 90 are perfectly normal, and any GPU you've owned previously that only reported a single temperature likely had hotspots there or higher if it was reporting 70+°. Different coolers perform differently, and the differences vary at ilde or under load, and sure, some are lower. Still, an edge-hotspot delta of 20°C isn't good, but it isn't bad either. It's fine. And 90°C on a piece of silicon rated to operate - continuously for its entire lifespan, mind you - at 110°C is no problem whatsoever. There is absolutely zero reason to change anything based on this.

As for fan failures: running them closer to 100% is far more likely to wear out the bearings than never letting them stop. Higher fan speed means more friction, means more heat, means more wear, means earlier failure, and this scales non-linearly with fan speed.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Well im back. Been working on it on and off throughout the day because PCI-E Gen4 cards dont like being plugged into Gen 3 unless its set specifically in the bios for Gen 3. Lots of booting up without anything coming up on the monitor again. a lot of stuff happened, I ended up losing my 4.8Ghz OC profile because i took the bios battery out then decided to put a new one in. Couldnt remember my OC settings for the death of me. tried some of the settings that posted on TPU a good few years back and they didnt work. Failed prime 95 in less than 2 mins.

So im back to stock clocks on my 8600k but the 6700k is alive and well and is coming up as default monitor with the iGPu as secondary monitor for audio.

Played a little guildwars 2 on it, It didnt really punch any higher than my 1080Ti but then again that game is very badly optimised. Will be trying out some warframe later.

Oh and AMD Adrenalin.... what an absolute mess of an app. Back when i had 6970s, the app was so simple easy and straightforward but now there are so many things to click and scroll through and 90% of the stuff i have no idea what the hell its even about. Nvidia's Ui was so simple and straightforward.

 

[Kabouter Plop]

Anyone else have gpu driver hangs during video calls like whatsapp on windows 11 22h2 ? with their 6000 series ?