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[dorsetknob]

@CAPSLOCKSTUCK

WHERE DO I POST THE 5000th POST GOD MY FATHER send the holy ghost to whisper in my ear

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

just had this from a mod

Just had a notification come up saying that you are approaching 5000 posts, Xenforo has determined in relation to your membership time here and has deducted that you are a post whore (it didn't use those exact words) and therefore will not be entitled to a custom title until you have reached 10,000 posts.....

just thought you should know, congrats nevertheless


Im still laughing now.........xenforo said that...........yeah, sure.

 

[dorsetknob]

congrats 5001 coming up eh

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

naaaaaah.......not gonna bother posting any more......

 

[Tatty_Two]

naaaaaah.......not gonna bother posting any more......

The alert did mention something about the welsh but I felt it inappropriate to put that in.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37223235

I wonder if the woman in this article regrets her actions knowing who this cyclist was. There was honestly no need for such behaviour.

On a very important side note. Police treat cyclists as secondary citizens. Ive been a member of a cycling forum for about a year now where some members (including myself) have been involved in collisions or acts of road rage by other road users (namely those in cars)
Some of us have even been critically injured and required months off work and continuous hospital treatment while recovering. But the convictions against dangerous drivers when cyclists are involved are excruciatingly low. I uploaded a video a few months back where a cyclist was almost killed by a hit and run driver in a rented car. The rental company did not bother responding to requests for information which significantly delayed the case and the police threw out the video footage that was submitted by the cyclists rear camera because they could not clearly see who was driving the vehicle clearly and neither the driver nor the passenger would own up to it. The one suspected to be behind the wheel at the time had a string of offences relating to road rage against other drivers/cyclists but even with that info they still failed to prosecute the driver and he got a away with a few points on his license & a fixed penalty fine.

He honestly should have gone down for attempted murder -- Had the cyclists been killed then the police would have sentenced him for death by dangerous driving and not something petty as driving without due care etc etc. The window of prosecution was also limited from what i hear as police can only investigate a case for 30 days and if no significant breakthroughs have been made then they wont carry on investigating unless theres been a death.

Until the law starts cracking down on drivers with bad attitudes who abuse other road users then nothing will ever change.

 

[dorsetknob]

I know your pissed off and upset but
BIG BUT

the police would have sentenced him for death by dangerous driving

That's the job of the Courts not the Police
Judge DREDD is not a Serving British Policman!

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I know your pissed off and upset but
BIG BUT

That's the job of the Courts not the Police
Judge DREDD is not a Serving British Policman!

Im not really pissed off, or upset. I just want to bring to light the double standards of the police force when dealing with cyclist related cases. Its obvious that the police are going to do everything in their power because (A) He works for the BBC (B) he's probably got a large twitter following. (C) Hes semi famous??? If the police dont do their hardest to find and prosecute the offender then Jeremy could just hop on twitter, FB, Radio 2 or the BBC website to voice his opinion or write a small article about it for the bbc website which of course will be on the front page.

 

[Beastie]

London is one of the worst places in Europe (atm!) to go cycling.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

London is one of the worst places in Europe (atm!) to go cycling.

not really -- you get asshole drivers everywhere.

 

[Beastie]

I've cycled 10s of thousands of miles in London. Also all over England and thousands of miles in France and Italy. London was the worst place apart from maybe Athens.

Edit- courier 7yrs in London

 

[NdMk2o1o]

not really -- you get asshole drivers everywhere.

As a car driver (and a fairly good one at that) the same can be said for cyclists and motorcyclists so unfortunately there will always be incidents and they will always be down to one of the above assholes, car drivers are no more so than the others

 

[FreedomEclipse]

As a car driver (and a fairly good one at that) the same can be said for cyclists and motorcyclists so unfortunately there will always be incidents and they will always be down to one of the above assholes, car drivers are no more so than the others

Of course there are bad cyclists, Ive seen loads of them on my commutes but we arent the ones surround by a metal cage that weighs a few tonnes that can do some serious damage if it collides with something soft and fleshy. Cyclists have been involved with collisions with pedestrians but most of the time is the pedestrian that steps out without looking. There are very few documented cases of cyclists actually causing death by collision. I see a lot of rage against cyclists and for no good reason. apart from the "you have no right to be on the road -- you dont pay road tax" monica, Nevermind the group of drivers who think of a bicycle as a child's toy so treat cyclists as such when clashing with them. Its just a never ending stream of hate and animosity for no good reason.

Apart from cycling being good form of exercise and causing no pollution blah blah blah its a damn good way to get around town especially when can save a a hell of a lot money by not spending it on public transport. Sometimes i cheat and cycle 1 mile to the train station where i pay £2.50 to catch the train to liverpool street where its another 3mile cycle to work. Its still a hell of a lot cheaper than paying over £7 a day for a one day travelcard and even if i was to take the train part of the journey every day it doesnt matter because Im still saving a tonne of money.

I ALWAYS cycle home though and its just under 8 miles which i can complete in just over 28mins on a good day or 32mins on an average day -- the tube takes me 30-40mins and i still have to wait for a bus from the station which adds another 15mins to the entire journey.


Some people just seem to go out of their way to make life difficult for others for no reason whatsoever.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Of course there are bad cyclists, Ive seen loads of them on my commutes but we arent the ones surround by a metal cage that weighs a few tonnes that can do some serious damage if it collides with something soft and fleshy. Cyclists have been involved with collisions with pedestrians but most of the time is the pedestrian that steps out without looking. There are very few documented cases of cyclists actually causing death by collision. I see a lot of rage against cyclists and for no good reason. apart from the "you have no right to be on the road -- you dont pay road tax" monica, Nevermind the group of drivers who think of a bicycle as a child's toy so treat cyclists as such when clashing with them. Its just a never ending stream of hate and animosity for no good reason.

Apart from cycling being good form of exercise and causing no pollution blah blah blah its a damn good way to get around town especially when can save a a hell of a lot money by not spending it on public transport. Sometimes i cheat and cycle 1 mile to the train station where i pay £2.50 to catch the train to liverpool street where its another 3mile cycle to work. Its still a hell of a lot cheaper than paying over £7 a day for a one day travelcard and even if i was to take the train part of the journey every day it doesnt matter because Im still saving a tonne of money.

I ALWAYS cycle home though and its just under 8 miles which i can complete in just over 28mins on a good day or 32mins on an average day -- the tube takes me 30-40mins and i still have to wait for a bus from the station which adds another 15mins to the entire journey.


Some people just seem to go out of their way to make life difficult for others for no reason whatsoever.

Some good points but I'm going to throw in a BUT you see car drivers from a cyclists perspective, you will notice car drivers being assholes to cyclists as you are one yourself and have likely had some run in's with car drivers on your travels, so are probably somewhat biased in that sense as I am towards dick head cyclists....

I will say it is a popular method of travel especially around cities and built up areas as it can be an efficient way of getting to and from places compared to cars, buses etc because of the number of vehicles on the roads... but how many people on bikes take proficiency tests nowadays? car drivers usually have to learn for around 40 hours with a test afterwards (granted you don't really know how to drive until you have passed and are driving about on the roads on your own! ) but just in the last 2 days I have seen one cyclist on the road (so he should be observing the laws of the road while using it just as everyone else in their car/van/bus etc should be) completely ignoring a red traffic light and not slowing down, going straight through it and turning left when he should have done as I did and stopped. I seen another who was obviously not very confident cycling on the road and was cycling along the left hand side of the road until about 30ft before a right turn and then decided to stick her right arm out to indicate turning right without moving towards the right hand side of the lane and subsequently got a little bit nervous and decided to cancel her right turn and pull up on the pavement to compose herself. Don't even get me started on motorbikers, some of them take risks and ignore road laws, speed limits and general road etiquette on a regular basis.... I see this day in and day out as a car driver, I'm not heavy footed, not an aggressive driver and respect everyone I come across on the roads regardless of what method of travel they are using but seriously some car drivers, cyclists and bikers should not be allowed on the roads, unless you believe in natural selection.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Some good points but I'm going to throw in a BUT you see car drivers from a cyclists perspective, you will notice car drivers being assholes to cyclists as you are one yourself and have likely had some run in's with car drivers on your travels, so are probably somewhat biased in that sense as I am towards dick head cyclists....

I will say it is a popular method of travel especially around cities and built up areas as it can be an efficient way of getting to and from places compared to cars, buses etc because of the number of vehicles on the roads... but how many people on bikes take proficiency tests nowadays? car drivers usually have to learn for around 40 hours with a test afterwards (granted you don't really know how to drive until you have passed and are driving about on the roads on your own! ) but just in the last 2 days I have seen one cyclist on the road (so he should be observing the laws of the road while using it just as everyone else in their car/van/bus etc should be) completely ignoring a red traffic light and not slowing down, going straight through it and turning left when he should have done as I did and stopped. I seen another who was obviously not very confident cycling on the road and was cycling along the left hand side of the road until about 30ft before a right turn and then decided to stick her right arm out to indicate turning right without moving towards the right hand side of the lane and subsequently got a little bit nervous and decided to cancel her right turn and pull up on the pavement to compose herself. Don't even get me started on motorbikers, some of them take risks and ignore road laws, speed limits and general road etiquette on a regular basis.... I see this day in and day out as a car driver, I'm not heavy footed, not an aggressive driver and respect everyone I come across on the roads regardless of what method of travel they are using but seriously some car drivers, cyclists and bikers should not be allowed on the roads, unless you believe in natural selection.

I wouldnt say i'm bias but merely observant. Im fortunate that most of my commutes are hassle free though my routes to and from work are away from the 'hotspots' in london such as Bank, Elephant&Castle & parts of the embankment where serious incidents are more likely to take place. While I dont have drivers tailgating/bullying me off the road or doing close passes or 'punishment' passes every time i decide to head out on the bike. I do witness a lot of it happening to others.

Lets not forget the plethora of youtube channels run by cyclists who upload footage of bad drivers on a weekly basis, While they are great and show there is a clear problem that cyclists face while on the roads, it does stir the pot & the evidence can be seen in the amount of negative comments made by car drivers who harp on and on about why cyclists should not be on the road because XYZ etc etc. Just because you have 4 wheels and an engine doesnt automatically mean youre entitled to drive on the road.

I had one guy the other day say to me that cyclists shouldnt be allowed on the roads because roads were built for cars which is absolute tosh. roads were built for horse drawn carts/carriages and further down the line bicycles were created before any motorised vehicle graced them. I say this but its absolutely pointless arguing with folk who are so closed minded.

As for some 'noob' cyclists who are a little uneasy on the roads, Im sure there are loads of people who are nervous when it comes to learning to drive or doing a solo drive the moment they past their test. I was very lucky in the fact that when i was taking to the roads on a cheapo halfords MTB I had friends who had been commuting on roads much longer then i ever had and through cycling with them a short while as well as observing what other cyclists did I learned how to be safe as I possibly could on roads and my confidence grew from that point.

When i first started commuting more than a year ago due to the tube strikes, Of course i was nervous, but i was never shakey. My main worry always seemed to be that I hoped i wouldn't get lost!

 

[Caring1]

Of course there are bad cyclists, Ive seen loads of them on my commutes but we arent the ones surround by a metal cage that weighs a few tonnes that can do some serious damage if it collides with something soft and fleshy.

And that's why cyclists should obey the road rules and ride with due care at all times.

Some people just seem to go out of their way to make life difficult for others for no reason whatsoever.

Like cyclists that video everything just so they can argue a point, usually after editing out what they are doing wrong first.
Trust me, i'm not anti-cyclist, just anti-idiot. I've done my time on a bike, and if it wasn't for my health I probably still would be.
If everyone obeyed the rules, and showed consideration, there wouldn't be a problem.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

And that's why cyclists should obey the road rules and ride with due care at all times.

Like cyclists that video everything just so they can argue a point, usually after editing out what they are doing wrong first.
Trust me, i'm not anti-cyclist, just anti-idiot. I've done my time on a bike, and if it wasn't for my health I probably still would be.
If everyone obeyed the rules, and showed consideration, there wouldn't be a problem.

Thats blind blanket statement if i ever heard one. How can you blatantly just accuse every cyclist that uploads footage to youtube of the abuse they recieve on the roads 'edited in their favor'??

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

I dont allow my kids to cycle on the rural roads around here.

I used to cycle everywhere when i was a kid.....roads were quieter,cars were slower and noisier too, at least you could hear them coming.

You are more likely to see a horse and rider in my village than a cyclist and they are treated equally badly on the roads by drivers who arent aware of the dangers.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Thats blind blanket statement if i ever heard one. How can you blatantly just accuse every cyclist that uploads footage to youtube of the abuse they recieve on the roads 'edited in their favor'??

You know just as well that some of them are looking for the minor of incidents just so they can kick off and upload it, Bell ends as well as some car drivers

 

[dorsetknob]

MY GRIPE i have with cyclist is now the government let them ride on PAVEMENTS ( IN CYCLE LANES ) they think they have the right to ride on any pavement
OFTEN AT A SPEED THAT IS NOT SAFE.
The Very Young and more importantly THE OLD use pavements to get around
Try dodging that bike traveling at 20+MPH on a pavement that's at the most 15ft wide when you can barely move at a walking pace.

I have in the past had yobs ( because that's what they are )
Ride their bikes Straight at me expecting me to move out of their way ( not a cycle lane )
the shock on their face when they end up in the gutter after falling off after they have collided with me is Priceless
a couple ended up with trashed buckled wheels (snigger i trod on one and a car drove over another )
one even called police on me !!
Waste of time that was because i told the copper while i was unhurt if the Stupid (expletive) tried to press charges i would require him to arrest the cyclist and charge him with Assault !! ( he rode his bike at me on a non Cycle lane Pavement )
Case Closed Cyclist Definitely in the wrong.
Copper even Stayed till the cyclist f&&ked off
Then told me it was just to much paperwork to take action Especially as i was not hurt

"RIDE A CYCLE STAY ON THE ROAD"

in my Opinion the only Cycles that should use the pavement are POSTMAN PAPERBOYS AND GIRLS AND CHILDREN with training wheels

 

[Caring1]

Thats blind blanket statement if i ever heard one. How can you blatantly just accuse every cyclist that uploads footage to youtube of the abuse they recieve on the roads 'edited in their favor'??

It's quite easy really.
Only those people trying to prove a point bother to upload their videos whinging about this or that.
Instead of having a whinge, they should be reporting the incidents to the police so they can be investigated, if they are serious.

 

[Beastie]

Only those people trying to prove a point bother to upload their videos whinging about this or that.
Instead of having a whinge, they should be reporting the incidents to the police so they can be investigated, if they are serious.

It helps a great deal when reporting an incident to the police if you have video evidence. Thats why helmet cam is so popular in London.
Just like dashcam in Russia.

 

[Caring1]

It helps a great deal when reporting an incident to the police if you have video evidence. Thats why helmet cam is so popular in London.
Just like dashcam in Russia.

I've got one in my car for that reason, but I don't waste my time uploading them to youtube.
If anything serious happens, I'll have the evidence.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

It's quite easy really.
Only those people trying to prove a point bother to upload their videos whinging about this or that.
Instead of having a whinge, they should be reporting the incidents to the police so they can be investigated, if they are serious.

I dont agree. Most uploaders dont 'whinge' as you so nicely put it. They just upload footage of bad driving and not just when they have a face to face altercation with drivers. But ok go ahead and blindly label cyclists as cry babies. But at the same time I understand there are some cam wearing cyclists that go out looking for trouble. However those are few and far between. For example... TrafficDroid. Do you know how hated this guy is amongst the cycling community? Some people love him while most dont take him Seriously

@dorsetknob

Afaik cyclists aren't allowed to cycle on the pavement unless its a cycle path. I necer mount the pavement unless im being put in a position where my life is at risk. Unless that has been reversed now?

 

[dorsetknob]

@dorsetknob

Afaik cyclists aren't allowed to cycle on the pavement unless its a cycle path. I necer mount the pavement unless im being put in a position where my life is at risk. Unless that has been reversed now?

That's Absolutely correct But too many cyclist are convinced that they have the right to Ride on any pavement.
The Plod while if you can find one ( Remember they only travel in pairs or more now ) who is not harassing motorist /blacks / ect do not Stop Cyclist on the pavement (where there is no Cycle lane ) and tell them to use the Road

Guess what no promotion enhancing tickets to be had and its to much hassle for paperwork