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If i was to build a new PC why would i use the old Dell case?o_O
It,s worth it for the 500GB SSD and 8gb of ram alone :) It is a shame it does not have an i5 in it though.
Like I said, for building a sleeper.
 
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That system can take an i5. If you can get a reasonable GPU for it, it could become a solid 1080p gaming system.
I will transfer my GiX960 from my Dell 620 and sell that if all goes well.The ram in the 3020 mt is worth 10 pounds and a 500 gb ssd has to be worth 20 pounds.The 3020 has to be better than the 620 plus the fact the 3020 has 2 usb3 ports.The problem is going to be getting the PC home as i have to rely on public transport, i don,t want to be caring it to far, luckily i live in London so plenty of transport about. :)

Like I said, for building a sleeper.
I just looked it up i did not know what a sleeper was. o_O A sleeper PC usually refers to a powerful computer that’s presented in an unassuming case or enclosure. The term originates in the automotive world, where sleeper cars are high-performance vehicles that look normal from the outside. Under the hood is where the real story lies, and the same is true of the PC world.
I have never made a PC before ,it would be a daunting task for me.o_OHow did we exist with out the internet o_O
 
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Here some AGP stuff, still functional, tried the Prolink in a WinXP machine a couple of days ago.
The Geforce2 is a bit special as it has DVI, which was not too common for VGA cards of that time.
Its heat sink I added later on. It did not have one initially.

Prolink nvidia tnt2 ma 32MB
Diamond Multimedia Viper550 nvidia tnt 16MB (AGP 2X, seems)
nvidia Geforce2 MX400 32MB
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Here some AGP stuff, still functional, tried the Prolink in a WinXP machine a couple of days ago.
The Geforce2 is a bit special as it has DVI, which was not too common for VGA cards of that time.
Its heat sink I added later on.

Prolink nvidia tnt2 ma 32MB
Diamond Multimedia Viper550 nvidia tnt 16MB (AGP 2X, seems)
nvidia Geforce2 MX400 32MB
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Gotta love the clever usage of a heatsink from an old Asrock board.
 
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I just saw this about the PC i have ordered.It is C.O.D,i sent a message to a-range a time i could pick it up.He never got back to me.Then after seeing this guys video ,sent another email on eBay for them to check the bios.That was yesterday but still no reply o_O
Bios in the 3020 mt the guy says it is hard to update it. o_O
I have the 3020 SFF and looked to see what bios it has ,and saw it had the last update from 2019.
I bought it about then anyway.I am just praying the Bios will be the updated versionA20, A20 the latest version 19 Jun 2019.How come his bios had never been upgraded his was A02.I don,t suppose they check the bios of if it comes from a office.
I got the SFF from a private seller.The geezer in the video looks a bit geeky.
o_OIf it is not the latest bios should i leave it?or will it be ok with the A15
?.How critical is it to have the latest bios? .It is a shop that repaires Apple stuff only a few Windows PC,s.

 
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How hard could it be? Bios for those is a self extracting exe. Download it to desktop and run it. Application does everything for you.
 
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Hi,
Just from the image shown on the vid preview maybe anger management is in order :cool:
 

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How hard could it be? Bios for those is a self extracting exe. Download it to desktop and run it. Application does everything for you.
Yeah, that's usually how it works on those OEM systems.
 
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How hard could it be? Bios for those is a self extracting exe. Download it to desktop and run it. Application does everything for you.

I am a member of Dell Optiplex group on facebook and been told there is no problem with the 3020 bios, so the guy in the video is talking B.S.
It just goes to show you not to believe everthing you see on youtubeo_O

Yeah, that's usually how it works on those OEM systems.

Hi,
Just from the image shown on the vid preview maybe anger management is in order :cool:
Your right there he needs it what a jerk. :laugh:
 
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Another video about the modded drivers for older GCN cards:

 
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Am I the only person that does not see the appeal of 771 to 775 mods? Good core 2 Quads are cheap enough that there can't be any real value reason to get a Xeon.
 
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Am I the only person that does not see the appeal of 771 to 775 mods? Good core 2 Quads are cheap enough that there can't be any real value reason to get a Xeon.
That depends on what you mean by "Cheap" and don't forget availability of "Good" 775 chips is a factor too.
I'll admit when this first began you could almost get the Xeons for free but since the mod has become well known prices of these chips has gone up.
However it's still a viable option.
I still have mine and they are good chips, personally I just don't have a board that can run them to full potential but it can run them.
 
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Am I the only person that does not see the appeal of 771 to 775 mods? Good core 2 Quads are cheap enough that there can't be any real value reason to get a Xeon.

You can get a pre-modded Xeon on eBay for half or less what a Q9650 runs. A few minutes with a good tutorial on the microcode injection (if necessary) and you've saved yourself 20+ bucks. Whether that's worth it is left as an exercise for the reader.
 
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Yes, but you can also buy a slightly slower CPU like a 9550 for the price of the Xeon and not have to do an ounce of bios modding or run into compatibility issues. Can spend just a minute or 2 in bios and generally get it well past the speed of a 9650 anyhow.
 
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Yes, but you can also buy a slightly slower CPU like a 9550 for the price of the Xeon and not have to do an ounce of bios modding or run into compatibility issues. Can spend just a minute or 2 in bios and generally get it well past the speed of a 9650 anyhow.

Yeah, 9550 is probably the most sensible option at this point. The price delta was larger several years ago. My E5450 OC'ed like a champ, though, even on a middling board. Still running today as a fileserver, but at stock clocks.
 
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Plenty of power for a file server. Many NAS boxes now come with atoms/atom based CPUs that are probably worse.
 
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I'm going to play a little game here, called "Out with the old & In with the new" :)

Starting with this CT4760 SB Live card, out with the old...


...and in with the new Audigy2 ZS:


Again, out with this old Asus V7700 (GF2 GTS)


...and in with this new V8200 Deluxe (GF3 Ti200)


Out with the Intel's original P4 heatsink:


...and in with this lovely Zalman CNPS 7000 (AlCu)


Overall speaking, this is now a real thing - proper P4 machine from top to bottom, featuring some of the finest brands & components from around late 90s to early 2000s. All the way from Audigy2 ZS, 3dfx Voodoo2, Plextor CD-RW drive, to GeForce3 Ti200 & Zalman CPU cooler. Don't think I'll ever be able to top this one up, even if I wanted to! :peace:
I went to my local second hand market ,that is on 3 days a week.And saw a number of motherboards, i would not know what to look for .This particular seller all ways has a lot electronic goods ,but it is expensive.I don,t think the Motherboards would be cheap.I went to another stall they had leather jackets 5 to 10 pounds ,and got a Ben sherman zip up one for 5 pounds in excellent condition :) That is my sort of price.:)You never know what turns up there.We all like a Bargin:)
 
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I went to my local second hand market ,that is on 3 days a week.And saw a number of motherboards, i would not know what to look for .This particular seller all ways has a lot electronic goods ,but it is expensive.I don,t think the Motherboards would be cheap.I went to another stall they had leather jackets 5 to 10 pounds ,and got a Ben sherman zip up one for 5 pounds in excellent condition :) That is my sort of price.:)You never know what turns up there.We all like a Bargin:)
Sorry, I couldn't resist... :)
 
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What do you people on here think of this.
HP Pavilion retro PC, 1Ghz Duron, GeForce 2, Sound Blaster, Win 98 & 2k + extras £80 make an offer.
This HP desktop (Pavilion 7915) was originally bought in 2002 and shipped with Windows XP Home Edition. It has since been upgraded with better graphics and sound cards. It currently has a dual boot of Windows 2000 Professional and Windows 98 SE. The computer successfully boots into both of these and is functional. The drivers for graphics and sound are installed, and also the wireless adapter in Win 2000. I suppose it could be a great retro PC gaming rig.
Everything else seems functional from what I can tell, including the floppy drive, the CD/DVD drive, and the graphics and sound PCI cards.
These are the internals of the PC:
-AMD Duron 1 GHz CPU (original)
-30 GB Maxtor hard disk (original), currently dual booting Windows 2000 Pro and Windows 98
-128 MB RAM
-Floppy disk drive (original)
-HP CD writer (original)
-NEC CD/DVD writer
-NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX 400 graphics card
-Creative Sound Blaster Live! sound card
-There are also two Ethernet and Modem PCI cards (although no drivers currently installed for these)
Accessories included:
-Microsoft Wheel Mouse
-Microsoft Intellimouse Optical Mouse (can't get it to work on Win 98 but fully works on 2000)
-HP keyboard (original, Dutch layout)
-Windows ME bootable floppy disk
-BUFFALO USB WLAN adapter (ready to use with Win 2000)
-Sound Blaster Live! CD-ROM (Dell OEM)
-4x games on CD (Grand Theft Auto, Mobil 1 Rally, Sports Car GT, Toy Story 2 Colouring)
Plus I'm also including an 80 GB hard disk (IDE), though I'm not sure if it's functional and don't know what's on it, if anything. Also included is an ancient 1 GB hard disk that I acquired from Germany and is left untouched - it has Windows 95 installed on it. This PC boots into this Win 95 installation fine though it doesn't load the desktop.
The PC case itself is in decent condition. The top bit where you can store discs has a door but the hinges are broken, and at the bottom where there's 2 USB ports, that door also doesn't close properly because of hinges. The doors do come as part of the sale and I suppose someone who knows can fix the hinges perhaps with a good glue.The PSU looks an unusealy size.creative sound blaster live! sound card
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My first and only DFI board: the Lanparty Jr. GF9400 T2RS. I scored this for ~$65 shipped, which is not cheap for LGA775 overall, but appears to be very inexpensive for a DFI Lanparty board.

@Mr.Scott helped me find an appropriate BIOS for this board (big thanks :) nearly impossible otherwise... ), but in the end I didn't update it, as the one it came with appears to be slightly newer.

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That thermal pad was mighty stubborn, luckily the paste was compliant. I used a screwdriver and other implements to no avail; some pad residue still remains. It's as good as I can get it for now.

As you may be able to glean from the photos, the cooling assembly is a little odd. The black Lanparty element is not a part of the nickel-plated copper (+Al ?) heatsink, just bolted on. It made thermal contact via thermal paste originally, now by a large 0.5mm APT2560 thermal pad. This seems inefficient to me, but for a relatively low heat output I don't think it matters too much.
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MCH gets very hot without airflow, eventually reaching 75⁰c @ 15min idle. Luckily there are 50mm mounting holes on the black segment, if needed. During testing, I just pointed an Arctic P8 PWM PST CO at this area instead. Both the VRM and MCH area received 1.0mm APT2560 pads. I had to be very careful not to warp the board by cranking down those nuts and screws, I think I found the correct balance eventually. If anything, Bumpgate would be what kills this board ;)

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MCH is dated wk44/2008.

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Haven't heard of Vitesse before, pretty interesting to see.

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"Linne_out" in the top right corner, never heard of that either. ;)

This appears to be an exceedingly uncommon board, and I can guess why: SFF (for the day) gaming motherboard, $140 new, nVidia chipset (specifically, their last for Intel desktop CPUs), solid OC features such as a post code and onboard pwr/rst buttons. Thus I only really have user experiences from Newegg, as well as a review from TweakTown to go off of. The consensus is that everyone had extreme difficulty doing either of the following:

•stabilize DDR2-1066
•boot >1600FSB reliably

And, well, I'm not special ;) 1700MHz FSB is completely out of the question. The absolute highest I could get the RAM was 933MHz, and the highest I could get the FSB was 1680MHz QDR.

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CPU-Z Validation

RAM overclocking was really messed up. HWiNFO reads the exact settings that I input in BIOS, but CPU-Z reads something completely different, which I may not at all change. I'm wondering if it's the motherboard being odd and the chipset not having 100% support. I'll talk about this more at the end, but basically I just don't think nVidia cared about chipsets anymore, so BIOS+Windows interactions are just plain wonky. For instance:
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Considering how the below settings look (yes, this is the final validated OC), something's just not right with this BIOS. Those subtimings are concerning :p clearly these are imaginary only.
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For voltages, I assumed that "Core Aux +1.2v Dual" = vMCH, but I cannot verify this.

So this begs the question: why does this chipset suck at overclocking? DFI clearly put effort into it (vDroop < = 25mv for vCore), all power delivery and hot components are cooled adequately. Well, as I said before, I really don't think nVidia wanted to make chipsets or put a single dollar of R&D into them.

Last chipsets for AMD:
•Chipsets GF8100, 8200, 8300 = MCP78.
- MCP78 = 710a / 720a / 720d. Only change for GF8_00 is mGPU, per SKU.
•Chipset 980a
- Rebranded 780a, just with nVidia pushing for more DDR3 motherboards.

Last chipsets for Intel (desktop):
•Chipsets GF9300, 9400 = MCP7A
- MCP7A = 730i / 740i / 760i. Again, GPU is the main change. Also, MCP7A-ION was used for GF9400M ION.

So, excluding GeForce 320m (MCP89 one-off, ca. 2010), nVidia didn't put much further effort into new chipsets for the last ~2 years of producing them. I would assume they really gave up once their legal skirmish with Intel started to look bad.

DFI and I both tried our best with this chipset, it just seems nVidia wasn't willing to fully bake it. ;)

EDIT: Here is a repository of info in case anyone wants to read more about nVidia Bumpgate.
May complete this post at a later date with more details.
Basically issue is a combination of thermal dissipation of the chip with hotspot, generating mechanical stress due to thermal expansion, wrong underfill material and wrong bump material.
It's not the solder balls between the chip and the board.

Chips affected are mostly from 2006-2008.
MCP and GPUs are affected, both in laptops and desktops.
Some articles list G86, G86A2, G84, C51, G72, G72M, G73, G72A3, MCP67 and NV42. But these aren't the only ones, some G9x and other MCPs were affected too.
That's some later GeForce 6000, almost all GeForce 7000, almost all GeForce 8000, some early GeForce 9000. Affected MCPs are MCP5x (northbridge only, not southbridge), MCP6x and early MCP7x.

NVidia started producing fixed revision for some affected chips in the summer of 2008. Some defective ones were still produced a bit after that.
Fixed revision of affected chips got a new underfill material that's white rather than dark, so it should be easy to recognize them. They'll typically have a datecode after 0830, and some of them have an odd digit instead of an even digit at the end of the model number (eg. G84-603-A2 instead of G84-602-A2).
Note that some chips were still using the bad bump material with the good underfill material (early 9600M) but they're much less prone to failure than earlier series.
Fixed chips include most G84/G86, most of them are still available at see-ic.
According to this information, it appears this motherboard is unaffected, however my XFX & EVGA 750i boards are affected.
 
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Today my boxed copy of Crysis arrived. I had never owned nor played crysis before and have always wanted too.
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Fired up my period correct system:
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Core 2 Quad Q9550
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4gb (2x2) OCZ 800 5-5-5
Asus P5q-e
EVGA GTX 295
Superflower 650w Bronze
Cooler Master HAF XB Evo
Windows 7 (both drives temporarily thrown in)

Crysis looks great but ran poorly at first with 1080p high detail. I reduced a few settings to medium and it ran better. Very playable but still not the smoothest. Fired up MSI afterburner to find the fps in the mid 40s and one of the CPU threads was pegged to 100%.

Time to overclock!

I was initially very limited with what overclocking I could do. As I raised the fsb the memory frequency also had to come up, and going at all past the 800mhz rated kept causing crashing. The OCZ kit couldn't even do 850mhz with default timings and 2v. Not worth my time even bothering with that junk. Threw in my trusty and ugly green PNY 2x2 800 5-5-5-5 kit and went to town.

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Ended up getting
CPU: 4ghz all core @1.35v
470mhz FSB
Mem: 1129mhz 6-7-4-18 2.0v
I may spend a bit more time dialing this OC in, but I don't think I can get much further. But the CPU and ram are basically at hard wall territory.

Loading save game at same exact location I'm getting around 60fps over ~45, so a nice improvement, although I'll have to increase some settings to get the 295 to stretch it's legs still.
 
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@Mr.Scott helped me find an appropriate BIOS for this board (big thanks :) nearly impossible otherwise... ), but in the end I didn't update it, as the one it came with appears to be slightly newer.
A newer dated BIOS does not mean it's better.
Some later BIOS files are actually worse than older ones - Do try the one he let you get and just see how it does.
BTW he was a member of the old DFI Street forum from way back so he'd know what to give you to wake it up if anything is going to.
 
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A newer dated BIOS does not mean it's better.
Some later BIOS files are actually worse than older ones - Do try the one he let you get and just see how it does.
BTW he was a member of the old DFI Street forum from way back so he'd know what to give you to wake it up if anything is going to.
Specifically it was T-Mod's disk v11.2.1
Here's the only BIOS available for this board on that .iso:
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There's a month's difference, so it actually could be the same (I didn't look at my version, just the date). I'll flash it anyway in case it has optimizations, either later tonight or tomorrow.
 
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Today my boxed copy of Crysis arrived. I had never owned nor played crysis before and have always wanted too.
Then you're in for a genuine treat! Crysis is a fun game and the storyline is excellent! Do yourself a favor, don't miss out on Crysis-Warhead either. It's a very good side story that takes place in the same location and time but from the perspective of the character "Psycho".
If you can't find the physical game, GOG has it.
Cooler Master HAF XB Evo
Nice selection of case good sir! I have that same case for my main system. Beautiful thing. I have all red led fans though.
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