Friday, April 15th 2022

Alibaba Previews Home-Grown CPUs with 128 Armv9 Cores, DDR5, and PCIe 5.0 Technology

One of the largest cloud providers in China, Alibaba, has today announced a preview for a new instance powered by Yitian 710 processor. The new processor is a collection of Alibaba's efforts to develop a home-grown design capable of powering cloud instances and the infrastructure needed for it and its clients. Without much further ado, the Yitian 710 is based on Armv9 ISA and features 128 cores. Ramping up to 3.2 GHz, these cores are paired with eight-channel DDR5 memory to enable sufficient data transfer. In addition, the CPU supports 96 PCIe 5.0 lanes for IO with storage and accelerators. These are most likely custom designs, and we don't know if they are using a blueprint based on Arm's Neoverse. The CPU is manufactured at TSMC's facilities on 5 nm node and features 60 billion transistors.

Alibaba offers these processors as a part of their Elastic Compute Service (ECS) instance called g8m, where users can select 1/2/4/8/16/32/64/128 vCPUs, where each vCPU is equal to one CPU core physically. Alibaba is running this as a trial option and notes that users should not run production code on these instances, as they will disappear after two months. Only 100 instances are available for now, and they are based in Alibaba's Hangzhou zone in China. The company notes that instances based on Yitian 710 processors offer 100 percent higher efficiency than existing AMD/Intel solutions; however, they don't have any useful data to back it up. The Chinese cloud giant is likely trying to test and see if the home-grown hardware can satisfy the needs of its clients so that they can continue the path to self-sustainability.
Source: The Register
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18 Comments on Alibaba Previews Home-Grown CPUs with 128 Armv9 Cores, DDR5, and PCIe 5.0 Technology

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chodaboy19
Interesting socket mechanics, does the heatsink protrude into the cavity?
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aQi
Major push from China
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lilhasselhoffer
So, anyone else read this and immediately think that this metric (as stated in the article) is traditional Chinesium bologna?


So...100% optimistically is low power. As in a 60 watt TDP for a 120 watt wall draw is about 50%...so a "100% more efficient" chip would take in 120 watts, and only have a 30 watt TDP. That's relatively easy if you've got a low power operation, highly parallelized, with the focus on operation quantity and not operation completion times.

That said, I've seen this before. Remove the whole politics, and this is a permutation of the old RISC versus CISC argument. CISC does more in less steps, less efficiently. RISC does less in more steps, but more efficiently. It's a wonder this level of shenanigans in advertising is still tolerated. I thought people already understood this...because it's not like we've seen ARM and the like get anywhere near replacing x86 in desktops.
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lexluthermiester
chodaboy19Interesting socket mechanics, does the heatsink protrude into the cavity?
I was wondering that too.
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Fouquin
chodaboy19Interesting socket mechanics, does the heatsink protrude into the cavity?
Very likely. Similar to the socket design Cavium used for their ThunderX2 LGA chips.
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Batailleuse
what most people here seems to miss is that those CPU are ARM based. so yeah ... They are power efficient.

it's basically like the Mac M1-M2 vs the current AMD/Intel. relatively same perf in almost everything at like half the power draw.

If anything, the arm cpu are at a point where they can easily beat anything intel/amd produce that is still x86 standard.

Alibaba is just doing the design (probably with TSMC staff doing the actual work), and use TSMC manufacture. Alibaba is not actually making anything themselves.
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#9
R-T-B
Batailleusewhat most people here seems to miss is that those CPU are ARM based. so yeah ... They are power efficient.

it's basically like the Mac M1-M2 vs the current AMD/Intel. relatively same perf in almost everything at like half the power draw.

If anything, the arm cpu are at a point where they can easily beat anything intel/amd produce that is still x86 standard.

Alibaba is just doing the design (probably with TSMC staff doing the actual work), and use TSMC manufacture. Alibaba is not actually making anything themselves.
ISA is not as big a deal as most users here assume it is. Certainly not from an energy efficiency perspective. It's a drop in an increasingly large bucket, and the ARM ISA isn't really that small anymore.
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watzupken
This looks like it is going to hurt Intel’s sales further since Intel has the lion share when it comes to enterprise/ data Center CPU market share. The more Intel pushes the power envelop to deliver sustained high level of performance, the less attractive they will become despite them offering higher performance per core.
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eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
watzupkenThis looks like it is going to hurt Intel’s sales further since Intel has the lion share when it comes to enterprise/ data Center CPU market share. The more Intel pushes the power envelop to deliver sustained high level of performance, the less attractive they will become despite them offering higher performance per core.
It took them 6 gens just to catch up to Ryzen and the core i are hot n heavy chips
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#12
phanbuey
eidairaman1It took them 6 gens just to catch up to Ryzen and the core i are hot n heavy chips
True - this is why I don't think their plan is to catch up anymore... They're shooting to build the tile chips and just buy/license and just slap competitor's chips onto that structure.
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Unregistered
And how long did it take AMD to catch up to Core2Duo? 10 years, 15? means nothing, a big thing just because its Intel catching up this time. They're not really catching up though, 1 chip is not a win. We will have to see what Am5 is like against Intels next CPU after ADL, then it will be more of a even test.
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bogmali
In Orbe Terrum Non Visi
Thread cleansed and take your political garbage elsewhere-it doesn't belong in here.
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