department76bluray itself severley hampers the adoption of BD. hddvd should have won...

this is a borderline troll comment. if you are going to make outragous claims like that atleast have the decency to back it up...

it won due to mind numbing sheep popularity. HDDVD was superior, especially when it came to seamless online content (guides, movie descriptions, movie art, imdb content, subtitles, etc)
its not the first time this had happened, think betamax.


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Just like mussels, this only motivates me not to adopt a PC bluray burner, whats the point if the next standard has already been developed, I would rather one which can write to BDXL media.

Easy Rhinothis is a borderline troll comment. if you are going to make outragous claims like that atleast have the decency to back it up...

He did back it up...

department76bingo.

hddvd had a $100 player that had more features and support than the cheapest ($300) BR player for two years before the first $100 BR player. it was VERY recent that a BR player could even be found for $100, and it's still uncommon.

department76bluray itself severley hampers the adoption of BD. hddvd should have won...

Yeah you could say the same with the Beta/VHS in the end apart from tv stations no one was using Beta. And it didnt matter if it was the better format as vhs won out just as BR have now get over it.

Holy **** people still whine about the death of Betamax?
Also, Betacam tapes used by professionals are vastly different from Betamax.

Soylent JoeCare to elaborate on how does Blu-Ray hampers the adoption of itself? From what I've seen, it's the overpriced players, price of new BR movies, and lack of HDTV's in homes. And why should HDDVD have won?

HD DVD was supported by the DVD Forum. Blu-ray not.
HD DVD was standardized. Blu-ray not.
HD DVD was much cheaper to press discs. Blu-ray not.
HD DVD can be pressed in current DVD fab with minor cheap upgrade. Blu-ray 100x more expensive to do.
HD DVD upconverts DVD looks better. Reviews prove this time and again.
HD DVD is the perfect HD disc format. It was Affordable to studios, consumers & manufacturers.
HD DVD was ready for fast full market adoption. Blu-ray was released too soon and was never original finished.
HD DVD web enabled features and had it on every single player sold. Blu-ray no.
Warner Bros. reject Sony money 2 times before accepting $500 million to drop HD DVD and go Blu-ray.
Sony and Panasonic paid off many manufacturers and studios to support Blu-ray only.
HD DVD players are required to support Ethernet connections, dual video streams (picture-in-picture), Dolby Digital Plus and TrueHD soundtrack decoding, and "persistent storage" (onboard flash memory). Blu-ray not.

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HD DVD is the better format for consumers
www.dasmirnov.net/blog/hd-dvd-is-the-better-format-for-consumer

HD DVD has a number of key points why I want it to succeed over Blu-ray:

1) Region free.
2) Less draconian copy protection.
3) Finalised specification.
4) Cost.

There's also the whole sensible and descriptive name, better picture quality and questionable reliability with Blu-ray, and the fact Blu-ray was a format created to divide the industry, but those are all secondary to the above in my opinion.

If Blu-ray wins, what happens?

1) Bob Public buys a film on holiday, brings it home and find it doesn't work.

2) Joe Public buys a film, expects to be able to legally copy it to his hard disk based portable player, only to find it doesn't work being informed he needs to buy the film again in an online store to download it to his player.

3) John Public buys a first, second, heck even third generation Blu-ray player, only to find it won't play any new Blu-ray films any more because the specifications have changed.

4) Bill Public ends up paying hundreds or thousands of pounds more than he or she would otherwise. Re-tooling all those factories and spending twice as much time developing a menu for the film costs us money.

In short, we get screwed, being stuck with an inferior format. :eek:

And BR won the battle like i said get over it and either get the format or stick with dvd or dl hd of the net wich are are big arse dls.

Yes I have BD disc drive, but not point I was explaining to the guy I quote. :cool:

@nt300. Thanks. I wanted to write the same thing.

The only thing, the only one, that a HDDVD is inferior to BluRay, is that the HDDVD is a little smaller in capacity than a BluRay. But that's just irrelevant, since even a 3H movie can fit on a HDDVD without any problems on FULL quality.

woot

TAViXthat's just irrelevant, since even a 3H movie can fit on a HDDVD without any problems on FULL quality.

yup and that's the reason for bringing up hddvd in a thread about a new higher BD capacity; a higher bd capacity requiring a special version of the drive is just worthless.

Easy Rhinothis is a borderline troll comment. if you are going to make outragous claims like that atleast have the decency to back it up...

you should really read on to the end of a thread before you post.

the hd-dvd camp used the same business tactics as the blu-ray camp did to get manufacturers to adopt their standard. so nobody can argue that it is the evil sony corporations pulling the strings. hd-dvd blew it by not getting microsoft on board early and not proving it could be further developed as a standard.

i really dont see why people insist the hd-dvd technology was better. they both had their good and bad points. and then people screamed about a monopoly on the hd standard, but they never minded the dvd or vhs standard :laugh:

department76yup and that's the reason for bringing up hddvd in a thread about a new higher BD capacity; a higher bd capacity requiring a special version of the drive is just worthless.




you should really read on to the end of a thread before you post.

i had read to the end of the thread. my browser had been open to this thread for 10 minutes. when i got back to it nobody had added anything. so i posted and then went to bed.

Ben_UKIncreased capacity is nice and all that, but if the max resolution output is fixed at 1080 X 1920, is there really any point?

It would be great if they could increase it to double what it is now, though thats probably for "blu ray 2" in 2015 or something...

unless your projecting something onto a movie theatre sized screen, then the resolution won't matter past 1080P, our eyes can't even pick up the difference.

onto this article... did they not just make a new standard here??? .... ie, needing all new hardware.. yeah, no, i can't see this catching on, half the reason people bought a PS3 was for Bluray capability.. awesome sony.. awesome.

:cry: (i know)

Swansenunless your projecting something onto a movie theatre sized screen, then the resolution won't matter past 1080P, our eyes can't even pick up the difference.

huh? what is 1080p the magic number? that is like saying our eyes cant seem more than 30 frames per second. you can DEFINITELY see beyond a 1920x1080 resolution in real life :slap:

onto this article... did they not just make a new standard here??? .... ie, needing all new hardware.. yeah, no, i can't see this catching on, half the reason people bought a PS3 was for Bluray capability.. awesome sony.. awesome.

:cry: (i know)

yea kinda sucks, but it is for enterprise purposes. ya know, so you can store incredible amounts of data on a single portable disc. saves A LOT of money.

i kinda want these for hard backups that would be good. instead I need to buy a 2TB drive and sit their and watch paint dry as all my data transfers. Maybe ill go play with myself or make some donuts. Good stuff man.

i just like where this is going - 100GB per disk can fit entire seasons (plural) of a show in DVD quality (or above, really)

Musselsi just like where this is going - 100GB per disk can fit entire seasons (plural) of a show in DVD quality (or above, really)

omfg never thought of that!!! zomfg make my own DVD with just episodes/seasons of wicked cool stuff!!! or even a mix DVD of random mad halarious episodes of various shows for like parts?!! mussels I will say it again I love you. I wonder how many I can work onto my DVD's now zomg I need to go find out.

nt300HD DVD was supported by the DVD Forum. Blu-ray not.
HD DVD was standardized. Blu-ray not.
HD DVD was much cheaper to press discs. Blu-ray not.
HD DVD can be pressed in current DVD fab with minor cheap upgrade. Blu-ray 100x more expensive to do.
HD DVD upconverts DVD looks better. Reviews prove this time and again.
HD DVD is the perfect HD disc format. It was Affordable to studios, consumers & manufacturers.
HD DVD was ready for fast full market adoption. Blu-ray was released too soon and was never original finished.
HD DVD web enabled features and had it on every single player sold. Blu-ray no.
Warner Bros. reject Sony money 2 times before accepting $500 million to drop HD DVD and go Blu-ray.
Sony and Panasonic paid off many manufacturers and studios to support Blu-ray only.
HD DVD players are required to support Ethernet connections, dual video streams (picture-in-picture), Dolby Digital Plus and TrueHD soundtrack decoding, and "persistent storage" (onboard flash memory). Blu-ray not.

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BS. The PS3 shames just about everything when it comes to upscaling DVDs. I had the Toshiba HD-A3. It didn't even do 1080p. I still have the HD DVD add-on and about a dozen HD DVDs tho.

And HD DVD's failure was it's own fault. It wasn't pushed enough.

Oh well, to bad, to sad.

Wile EBS. The PS3 shames just about everything when it comes to upscaling DVDs. I had the Toshiba HD-A3. It didn't even do 1080p. I still have the HD DVD add-on and about a dozen HD DVDs tho.

And HD DVD's failure was it's own fault. It wasn't pushed enough.

Oh well, to bad, to sad.

preach it

dammit i just bought a bd-rom writer for like £129.99 or about 199.82 US$
i wish i'd read this beforehand :cry:

I don't know how this started, but I will throw in my two cents.

I don't know if this was said before, but Blu-ray won the format wars as soon as the Porn industry sided with them, end of story. The studios were about evenly split down the middle between the two format standards. Each had a super power behind it, Sony and Microsoft, and as stated each had strengths and weaknesses.

Since porn in theaters is near non-existent due to people and their need to fap in private, created the current porn industry. A multi-billion dollar industry that makes near 75% of its income selling DVD's to their consumers (rest is digital content and personal use products....yea that is what they are). Studios like Warner bros. make most of their money at the box office and post box office merchandise, and not DVD's as much as people like to think. Like it or not, until digital content becomes the larger focus for porn, they control with an iron fist what physical media formats we will use and have been in control for over 30 years.

Can anyone guess why VHS beat out betamax?