Dropping proprietary phsyx for more open industry standards. I LIKE IT!!!

Technical aspects aside, frankly, Vantage was a bit visually underwhelming. I hope they do a better job in the presentation department this time. Having loops with sound again would be nice too.

GR8. now they are talking sense.. its going to be real competition this time then :)
even if Nvidia pays extra to make use of heavy tessellation, i will be happy :) :toast:

saikamaldossGR8. now they are talking sense.. its going to be real competition this time then :)
even if Nvidia pays extra to make use of heavy tessellation, i will be happy :) :toast:

I find it completely acceptable for MSI or Sapphire or anyone to pay to have their logo contained in the loops of the program, but I think a benchmarking utility as well known as 3DMark should not accept funds from GPU manufactures to make use of certain technologies. At the very least, it gives the impression of a conflict of interest in a program that should be unbiased to any particular hardware. If Futuremark wants to make use of heavy tessellation, that is fine, but they should not do it because they were paid by NVidia to, just like they shouldn't not use it because ATI payed them not to.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I agree with you 100%! I think its time for another independent code writer to compile an unbiased bench suite!:toast:

saikamaldossGR8. now they are talking sense.. its going to be real competition this time then :)
even if Nvidia pays extra to make use of heavy tessellation, i will be happy :) :toast:

Nvidia doesn't need to pay as the tesselation on their 4 series cards is superior to ATi's. Basically it's two tesselators vs. 1 with ATi.

nV's tesselation is overkill though. They can't run decent framerates with the tesselators maxed out, but spreading the workload over more than one tesselator will obviously help control heat.


People are talking up the wrong angles when it comes to tesselation. It's all about saving pci-e bandwidth, and multi-gpus, other uses are just wasting power.

And with that in mind, I don't see tesselation being a highly weighted metric for scoring.


Kinda scary that we gotta wait until 3rd quarter too...seems like premature annoucement syndrome.

and where the hell is asus logo? :rolleyes:

will we see vantage score dropped half with these new 3dmark?

cadavecanV's tesselation is overkill though. They can't run decent framerates with the tesselators maxed out, but spreading the workload over more than one tesselator will obviously help control heat.


People are talking up the wrong angles when it comes to tesselation. It's all about saving pci-e bandwidth, and multi-gpus, other uses are just wasting power.

And with that in mind, I don't see tesselation being a highly weighted metric for scoring.


Kinda scary that we gotta wait until 3rd quarter too...seems like premature annoucement syndrome.

It seems to work with Uningine Heaven Bench. But yes, that benchmark does use too much tesselation. Either way benchmarking using synthetic apps. just isn't my thing anymore. Fraps + games is what I like to use and you get to play. :) It will be interesting to see how this new bench is implemented, hopefully it's completely different from Vantage wich is pretty fail for a "gaming" benchmark tool.

Yeah, I know that you and I are eye-to-eye on alot of things, this included.

Vantage has never been a decent bench...far too cpu limited on the "game" benches. There's no way, if a bench is programmed right, that increasing cpu speed will increase gpu scores.

I understand why it's that way currently, but can't help but think that's the wrong approach.

I really wonder, with Shattered Horizon out, and patched heavily, how long they've really been working on this. Seems to me this announcement is due to them finally getting the proper funding to make a new one(Thank you very much for that, MSI!~). I bought Shattered horizon ,but have only played it once..I was buying to help support them until the next 3DMark, and that's it.

Let's hope it ISNT a 1500MB download, and let's hope it doesnt take 20 minutes to run the benchmark, and let's hope it isnt boring to watch by repeating the same routine with and without sound.

lemonadesodaLet's hope it ISNT a 1500MB download, and let's hope it doesnt take 20 minutes to run the benchmark, and let's hope it isnt boring to watch by repeating the same routine with and without sound.

I'm actually hoping for a long bench, as this will limit the extreme cooling guys a fair bit..harder to keep things stable long-term than short benches like S~Pi.

Something is needed to push these guys to the next level, and that ASUS daughter-board garbage isn't it.

cadavecaI'm actually hoping for a long bench, as this will limit the extreme cooling guys a fair bit..harder to keep things stable long-term than short benches like S~Pi.

Something is needed to push these guys to the next level, and that ASUS daughter-board garbage isn't it.

With these two statements, you took the words right out of my mouth. :toast:

cadavecaI'm actually hoping for a long bench, as this will limit the extreme cooling guys a fair bit..harder to keep things stable long-term than short benches like S~Pi.

Something is needed to push these guys to the next level, and that ASUS daughter-board garbage isn't it.

I admit I don't find it as fun to see LN2 cooled runs anymore. The game (which I just lost) needs to evolve.

Yeah, well, anyone can splash some LN2 into a copper pot and run a bench. Do it enough, and you can exceed the top guys, if not beat them, provided you had access to the same amts of hardware...the whole Gigabyte "OCGuru is YOU!!" contest had 2 Gigabyyte employees in the top two spots until someone made a stink about it. I've been complaining about this same issue for many years now, so it was good to see that was put out in the open, rather than being told I'm nuts, and it's not true.

Any respect I lost for "Fugger" when I got banned so long ago was trippled back up when I saw that posting of his... I guess he gets my point now.

I don't really see anyone taking real drastic steps, modding boards, etc, to get top scores. It's just a matter of finding the right chips at this point, as current VGAs and boards take all the guess work out of the equation.

And now with the top guys livestreaming bench sessions, I know I'm 100% right, as I've watched them all. I can count the guys actually innovating benching on one hand.

So we need a bench that makes them push harder...I don't see many people even OCP modding boards...no one needs hardmods for 24/7 clocks any more....

Memory manufacturer's are posting top mem clocks, and then selling the ones that didn't make it...



The overclocknig scene is even worse than when I left. But most of the decent guys have left too, so that's no surprise, either.


And with that in mind, it seem FutureMark has lost alot of importance in the industry too.


I mean really...how come I was the only one that understood, at first, why FM pulled nV gpu phys-X scores? Because you don't have to udnerstand how things work to get top clocks any more.


And I'll take this moment to apologize to everyone, as I've been a bit sour in my posts the last couple of days...not due to stress or anything like that...It was actually seeing the ASUS daughter board that started it all for me.

I really am gonna buy a Dell. And I'll buy Corsair Ram. None of those other hardware companies will get any of my cash any more.

Now I think about it you don't see so much of the "holy crap I've got a golden chip" anymore where someone is lucky and gets a great overclocking chip for cheap. I lost interest in vantage and erm I really enjoyed trying to benchmark in 06. I think that was the last good one.

I have all but quit benching extreme...mostly water/TEC now. I will wait till the guys move on to something else and then buy their 480's for half price lol...and still get the points as well. :laugh:

Thanks guys...at least it seems I'm not crazy for thinking some of these things..I mean, I come up with some pretty wild ideas some times.

DrPepperNow I think about it you don't see so much of the "holy crap I've got a golden chip" anymore where someone is lucky and gets a great overclocking chip for cheap. I lost interest in vantage and erm I really enjoyed trying to benchmark in 06. I think that was the last good one.

I just got a Silver with my aged GTX 280's w/water cooling DrPepper! :cool:

hwbot.org/community/submission/1005707_rickss69_3dmark_vantage___performance_2x_geforce_gtx_280_28090_marks

rickss69I just got a Silver with my aged GTX 280's w/water cooling DrPepper! :cool:

hwbot.org/community/submission/1005707_rickss69_3dmark_vantage___performance_2x_geforce_gtx_280_28090_marks

Sweet ! I've never got a golden anything or silver but I like my i7.

I was up to #53 on the 'bot at one point...had all the X1950 gold cups for a while...

I'm #38 atm, but I have slowed considerable the past six months. :)

MistralTechnical aspects aside, frankly, Vantage was a bit visually underwhelming. I hope they do a better job in the presentation department this time. Having loops with sound again would be nice too.

Vantage was horrid to look at :shadedshu

Thank God! Been waiting for over a year now to hear news.

I'll wait for details before I start caring enough to pick it apart.

lol they got jealous of Uniengine getting all the dx11 bench glory. bout time, vantage was horrible for dx10 testing, didn't really push dx10 for what could be done at its time of release. Now 3dmar06 did a good job imo of testing cards for that time frame it was released. I hope Uniengine has made futuremark realize they need to sharpen up.