Saturday, September 24th 2011

AMD FX 8150 Looks Core i7-980X and Core i7 2600K in the Eye: AMD Benchmarks

The bets are off, it looks like Intel is in for a price-performance shock with AMD's Bulldozer, after all. In the press deck of AMD FX Processor series leaked by DonanimHaber ahead of its launch, AMD claims huge performance leads over Intel. To sum it up, AMD claims that its AMD FX 8150 processor is looking Intel's Core i7-980X in the eye in game tests, even edging past it in some DirectX 11 titles.

It is performing on par with the Core i7-2600K in several popular CPU benchmarks such as WinRAR 4, X.264 pass 2, Handbrake, 7Zip, POV Ray 3.7, ABBYY OCR, wPrime 32M, and Bibble 5.0. AMD FX 8150 is claimed to be genuinely benefiting from the FMA4 instruction set that Sandy Bridge lacks, in the OCL Performance Mandelbrot test, the FX 8150 outperforms the i7-2600K by as much as 70%. Lastly, the pricing of the FX 8150 is confirmed to be around the $250 mark. Given this, and the fact that the Core i7-2600K is priced about $70 higher, Intel is in for a price-performance shock.
Source: DonanimHaber
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854 Comments on AMD FX 8150 Looks Core i7-980X and Core i7 2600K in the Eye: AMD Benchmarks

#501
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
only thing that got be was changing the CPU names n then Phenom 1 had serious issues.
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#502
Melvis
bear jesusSeriously why would AMD even consider releasing a product the performs worse than it's last generation?

Do people think AMD wants to commit corporate suicide? :laugh:
Yea i agree with ya there, that would just defeat the purpose.

Far as im concerned if these CPU's are about as fast as intels then thats good enough for me, who here would love to have the performance of a 980X but just cant afford it. Yes i know the 2600K is there and it would be one to go to for sure, but for the AMD users this is awesome realy.

And for the new SB-E been 50% faster? i call BS on that right now, as not even SB was 50% faster then Skt 1366. It was just cheaper and more affordable, performance wasnt a big difference.
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#503
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
From sounds of it Amd intends on releasing 2 more CPU series for the AM3+ Platform before going full FM2, its nice considering Intel is constantly changing sockets, first 1366, then 1156, now 1155, WTF Intel stick with 1 socket for desktop, 1 for Server and 1 for mobile.
MelvisYea i agree with ya there, that would just defeat the purpose.

Far as im concerned if these CPU's are about as fast as intels then thats good enough for me, who here would love to have the performance of a 980X but just cant afford it. Yes i know the 2600K is there and it would be one to go to for sure, but for the AMD users this is awesome realy.

And for the new SB-E been 50% faster? i call BS on that right now, as not even SB was 50% faster then Skt 1366. It was just cheaper and more affordable, performance wasnt a big difference.
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#504
Wile E
Power User
MelvisYea i agree with ya there, that would just defeat the purpose.

Far as im concerned if these CPU's are about as fast as intels then thats good enough for me, who here would love to have the performance of a 980X but just cant afford it. Yes i know the 2600K is there and it would be one to go to for sure, but for the AMD users this is awesome realy.

And for the new SB-E been 50% faster? i call BS on that right now, as not even SB was 50% faster then Skt 1366. It was just cheaper and more affordable, performance wasnt a big difference.
SB-E is 50% faster than SB i7 (and therefore roughly BD) because it has 50% more cores available.

Really, it's just simple math: 4 cores with HT in SB i7, and 6 cores with HT in SB-E's top offerings (and hopefully 8 core offerings on refresh).
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#505
entropy13
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This is what I hacked together with Google translator:

FX-8120 has the best price/performance ratio of the Bulldozer line. It is able to compete with 2500K in most computing applications, but lags in video games.

FX-8150 is the fastest model "currently" available. Slightly cheaper than 2600K, but can at best match it in some multimedia processing applications, and is systematically left behind in games.
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#507
Inceptor
That doesn't tell us anything new.
I think that you'll find, aside from flaming fanboys, what people interested in Bulldozer like is not that gaming benchmarks might lag behind Sandybridge, but that overall, it looks to be a well rounded cpu at a reasonable price, with an interesting architecture.
We're not all hardcore gamers.
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#508
Melvis
Wile ESB-E is 50% faster than SB i7 (and therefore roughly BD) because it has 50% more cores available.

Really, it's just simple math: 4 cores with HT in SB i7, and 6 cores with HT in SB-E's top offerings (and hopefully 8 core offerings on refresh).
Yea ok i can understand that, more cores to get the 50%. But that doesn't mean it will perform 50% better.

It will be an increase that's for sure, but it wont be 50% no way, regardless if it gets 50% more cores.

Ok to me if its going to be a 50% increase i would expect the new SB-E to be 50% faster then there current 980/990X CPU's ( both 6 cores of course) , if not then its not going to be anything to write home about in my eyes. As SB vs the old 1366 975 isnt much different in performance at all if any. Just more affordable.
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#509
Inceptor
MelvisYea ok i can understand that, more cores to get the 50%. But that doesn't mean it will perform 50% better.

It will be an increase that's for sure, but it wont be 50% no way, regardless if it gets 50% more cores.
Well... I'm sure at least one of those SB-E chips will be +50% performance... like the $1000 i7-3960X.
But that's off topic and not even in the same performance category as the FX processors.
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#510
entropy13
Damn_SmoothNot done with the FUD yet? Wait for launch.
Where's the Fear, Uncertainty, and Despair there?

I doubt a published magazine would be publishing FUD. What are they, a tabloid?


The relevant pages would be 8 and 9, btw. Which I guess you didn't bother reading.
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#511
Melvis
InceptorWell... I'm sure at least one of those SB-E chips will be +50% performance... like the $1000 i7-3960X.
But that's off topic and not even in the same performance category as the FX processors.
We dont know that for sure, and i honestly dont think it will be, if there both 6 cores with HT?

Heck we dont even know 100% how well BD is going to be against SB, but going by what we have got in this thread its up there.

I think SB-E will be an improvement in performance just not what everyone things it will be, maybe 20% im guessing, hell we all are.
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#512
Damn_Smooth
entropy13Where's the Fear, Uncertainty, and Despair there?
It's doubt, and if you can't see it, there's something seriously wrong there.

I'm not going to listen to some French moron that won't give any specifics. You can if you want to, but I pity your gullibility.
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#513
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
bear jesusFrom a logical point of view surly even if there was no intel then AMD would surly make the next generation better than the past one, it would truly defy logic to produce a new product that is worse than the last ones to then discontinue the older better performing products.
geforce FX anyone? radeon 6K vs 5K?
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#514
entropy13
Damn_SmoothIt's doubt
Making it redundant then, does "uncertainty" mean something else? :laugh:
Damn_SmoothI'm not going to listen to some French moron that won't give any specifics. You can if you want to, but I pity your gullibility.
I pity how quick you "defend" AMD then, blindly even. He actually says that the 2 AMD CPUs are great in price/performance. Which would actually be akin to how AMD's GPU division has been relatively successful of late. It's not like he said that Bulldozer was a failure or something.
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#515
Damn_Smooth
entropy13Making it redundant then, does "uncertainty" mean something else? :laugh:




I pity how quick you "defend" AMD then, blindly even. He actually says that the 2 AMD CPUs are great in price/performance. Which would actually be akin to how AMD's GPU division has been relatively successful of late.
You have no need to pity me, I'm not sticking up for anyone. I just prefer to listen to credible sources. It's a shame we don't all feel that way.
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#516
Melvis
Musselsgeforce FX anyone? radeon 6K vs 5K?
Yea we get it, but this isnt about GPU's, its CPU's. has there been a time in the past that the new high end gen from either company been "less" then there older current gen? i cant think of any.

Honestly if a program is coded well for 8 cores then surely it would perform better then its last gen 6 core? surely????
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#517
mastrdrver
Wile ESB-E is 50% faster than SB i7 (and therefore roughly BD) because it has 50% more cores available.

Really, it's just simple math: 4 cores with HT in SB i7, and 6 cores with HT in SB-E's top offerings (and hopefully 8 core offerings on refresh).
50% faster (probably) in well threaded programs. Otherwise it will be just as fast as SB regardless of how much PR Intel throws at it.
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#518
bear jesus
Musselsgeforce FX anyone? radeon 6K vs 5K?
I can't say with the gefore fx as i was not using nvidia back then but as far as i knew the 6970 does not perform worse than the 5870, same with 6950 vs 5850.

I admit ignoring the change to naming so if trying to compare the 6870 to a 5870 instead of what should really be 6870 vs 5770 then yes it does not look good but the whole point of the name change i though was to be able to push in another core under the top end but still above 57xx cards leaving them to be re branded.

Did the nvidia fx cards really perform worse than the generation before?
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#519
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
bear jesusI can't say with the gefore fx as i was not using nvidia back then but as far as i knew the 6970 does not perform worse than the 5870, same with 6950 vs 5850.

I admit ignoring the change to naming so if trying to compare the 6870 to a 5870 instead of what should really be 6870 vs 5770 then yes it does not look good but the whole point of the name change i though was to be able to push in another core under the top end but still above 57xx cards leaving them to be re branded.

Did the nvidia fx cards really perform worse than the generation before?
Cough GF 8, 9, 250 Series were just rebags.
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#520
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
eidairaman1Cough GF 8, 9, 250 Series were just rebags.
Geforce 8xxx was a rebagde? :wtf:
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#522
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
eidairaman1the 512 GTS Model was
Very different from "Geforce 8 was just a rebadge", which indicates that the entire series was rebadged.
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#523
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Regardless, when the 512 Model came out there was no GTX model, when GF 9 Came out they just renamed the unsold 512 Units as GF 9 Units n same with the 250 Models
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#524
bear jesus
eidairaman1Cough GF 8, 9, 250 Series were just rebags.
But surly they had at least the same power not a reduction, the point i was trying to make is pretty much every CPU or GPU the next generation is better than the last, i admit that does not take in to account re branding but in those cases it normally means the same performance but as bulldozer is a new architecture it is obviously not a re branded phenom II thus in theory should be faster than them.

I admit the new architecture could in theory cause a reduction in performance per core but with increased IPC surly AMD's CPU design team would at least aim to keep the same performance per core if not try to increase it?

But as i said, my point is surly it would be unlikely that clock for clock bulldozer would be beaten by the phenom II architecture going by previous CPU releases for as many years as i have been paying attention :laugh:.
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#525
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
the point was that heaps of new models come out with zero performance improvements. they might be cheaper (5870 vs 6870) and rarely (FX series) far worse.


a new model does not always mean higher speeds.
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