Saturday, September 24th 2011

AMD FX 8150 Looks Core i7-980X and Core i7 2600K in the Eye: AMD Benchmarks

The bets are off, it looks like Intel is in for a price-performance shock with AMD's Bulldozer, after all. In the press deck of AMD FX Processor series leaked by DonanimHaber ahead of its launch, AMD claims huge performance leads over Intel. To sum it up, AMD claims that its AMD FX 8150 processor is looking Intel's Core i7-980X in the eye in game tests, even edging past it in some DirectX 11 titles.

It is performing on par with the Core i7-2600K in several popular CPU benchmarks such as WinRAR 4, X.264 pass 2, Handbrake, 7Zip, POV Ray 3.7, ABBYY OCR, wPrime 32M, and Bibble 5.0. AMD FX 8150 is claimed to be genuinely benefiting from the FMA4 instruction set that Sandy Bridge lacks, in the OCL Performance Mandelbrot test, the FX 8150 outperforms the i7-2600K by as much as 70%. Lastly, the pricing of the FX 8150 is confirmed to be around the $250 mark. Given this, and the fact that the Core i7-2600K is priced about $70 higher, Intel is in for a price-performance shock.
Source: DonanimHaber
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854 Comments on AMD FX 8150 Looks Core i7-980X and Core i7 2600K in the Eye: AMD Benchmarks

#476
Super XP
TRWOVbummer... I was actually hoping for a FM2 PD release around summer 2012. :banghead: I hope AMD sticks with AM3+ at least for another CPU generation; I wouldn't want to buy an AM3+ PD setup only to find out that it's the end of the upgrade path.

So Vishera is AM3+ PD and Komodo was FM2 PD then. I had those two mixed up.
Well I think you are right, by the end of Q4 2012, that is when I think AMD is going to move to Socket FM2.
I can see why AMD chose to stick with Socket AM3+ for the remaining 2012, if people knew about then dumping AM3+ they would have had bad Bulldozer sales IMO.
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#477
de.das.dude
Pro Indian Modder
Super XPWell I think you are right, by the end of Q4 2012, that is when I think AMD is going to move to Socket FM2.
I can see why AMD chose to stick with Socket AM3+ for the remaining 2012, if people knew about then dumping AM3+ they would have had bad Bulldozer sales IMO.
i think AMD will stick to AM sockets for a little longer than that.

llano is more of a power efficient, compact kind. the AM processors pack the real punch.
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#478
YautjaLord
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In general - it SUCKS. :laugh: BTW: this is the last day of September - less then 2 weeks & Dozer is out; October 12 - this is the release date still, is it? :toast:
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#479
Volkszorn88
YautjaLordIn general - it SUCKS. :laugh: BTW: this is the last day of September - less then 2 weeks & Dozer is out; October 12 - this is the release date still, is it? :toast:
It freaking better be. I just bought a 990FX mobo and if I don't get BD I'll be :mad: next step :banghead: and then :cry: and will be forced to buy an i7 2600k which i'll finally :respect: to Intel after i'm done :rockout: to my new cpu.
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#480
Inceptor
GloFo 32nm yield issues

The low yields at GloFo are most likely what has been delaying BD.

There was an article on it 3 weeks ago @ semi-accurate (forget about the title, probably refers to server part):
semiaccurate.com/2011/09/07/bulldozer-finally-shipped-last-week/
...If you want to look at it the simple way, on average, each wafer will yield X Llanos or Y Bulldozers. On average, each Llano will sell for $A, and each Bulldozer will sell for $B. Assuming that AMD will be able to sell everything they make, likely at this point, so the math is simple. If X * A is bigger than Y * B, make more Llanos. If X * A is smaller, make more Bulldozers. Yield improvements, customer bitching, and many other things come in to play to influence the split, but the gross calculation is simple. You run the one that makes the most money in the end...
So, Llanos have been selling like hotcakes, so they prioritize Llano production over BD, and delay BD release.
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#481
YautjaLord
Volkszorn88It freaking better be. I just bought a 990FX mobo and if I don't get BD I'll be :mad: next step :banghead: and then :cry: and will be forced to buy an i7 2600k which i'll finally :respect: to Intel after i'm done :rockout: to my new cpu.
I'm still with rig listed in my sys specs, nothing changed; will wait for TPU (or few more tech sites) to cover/review FX-8150, get rest of the planned setup (Sabertooth 990FX, 2x4GB DDR3 1600, AX1200W) & live happily with what it gives in apps i have (games, Photoshop, etc...); job opportunity still missing, but i still search for anything Web designing & stuff. Seeya in October 12. :toast:

P.S. If there's someone @ AMD that plays Carmageddon 1 & 2, the complete lineup of CPUs should read like this (i exclude the years): Bulldozer, Piledriver, Plow Mk. 4, Semi, Dump Truck, DaPanzer (TDR 2000) & Suppressor. jk (Unless they'll actually call 'em like that. :roll:)
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#482
Goodman
Are we going to have Bulldozer before the year end?
Meanwhile, AMD's server processor codenamed Interlagos will also have difficulty shipping on schedule and is expected to be delayed to November
www.digitimes.com/news/a20110930PD207.html

I hope it was a typo & meant October not November...?
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#485
YautjaLord
Super XPBulldozer is still on schedule for October 12, 2011. BD does not have yield issues, and it would be nice if Global Foundries get's that 32nm out the bloody door in good time.
When to expect the review? October 11? 12? Hope they (AMD) will release all models in one shot: BANG & quadie, hex & octo-cored monstrosities out. Also October 8th Serious Sam 3 is out if i'm correct, so twice the fun - both OpenGL benchmark of game & FX-8150 among the others (FX-4xxx/6xxx/etc...). Month of great releases, thanx.
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#486
Super XP
In my honest opinion, this is the reasoning why Bulldozer was pushed back by more than a month (Release Date: Oct. 12, 2011 - Bloody F'ing Finally).

1) 32nm Issues. (No issues with the Bulldozer Design)
2) AMD delayed the release for 30+ days to ensure there's enough stock for retailers/etailers.
3) Apple is sucking back a lot of the 32nm and AMD/NV are taking it from behind.
4) None of the above...
5) All of the above...
6) Only answers 1) & 2) are correct...

Now hurry up AMD, my ASUS Crosshair V Formula (ROG) masterpiece is looking for some Bulldozer Blood.....:D :D :D :D
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#488
Super XP
NestersDunno if posted already but someone might have benched Bulldozer...

cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8150+Eight-Core
Not sure if it's a legit benchmark. Anyhow if it is, then Bulldozer looks very good. What I am looking for is for Bulldozer to blow away the Phenom II's by at least 30% to 50%. Anyway we can also look forward to Piledriver (Bulldozer II) via Socket AM3+ (We Hoping)...

I assume this was benched without Turbo Core enabled... Still Synthetic Benchmarks mean Jack, what we need is Real World Performance, something AMD claimed that is where Bulldozer's strength is at.
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#489
Inceptor
Well, that benchmark puts it right where everyone thinks it will fall, in between the 2600k and 2500k, in synthetic benchmarks.
But no information on the chip, which suggest to me it was an engineering sample. There's no reason for Passmark to have a retail sku.
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#490
Nesters
Benchmarks on that site can be published by anyone who uses the suite and the score is average of all uploaded results (there's only one FX-8150 tho).
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#491
YautjaLord
NestersDunno if posted already but someone might have benched Bulldozer...

cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8150+Eight-Core
What revision is it? B2? Or ES (B0)? Someone needs to roll out B2 (or better yet C0) results. If rev. B2 CPU turns out slightly better than 2600K - ace; but if rev. C0 comes - say - few weeks after rev. B2 - better wait for rev. C0. :toast:
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#494
Damn_Smooth
Sigh, when will people learn to quit posting bullshit from OBR? The troll has already failed.
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#495
bear jesus
Seriously why would AMD even consider releasing a product the performs worse than it's last generation?

Do people think AMD wants to commit corporate suicide? :laugh:
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#496
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
bear jesusSeriously why would AMD even consider releasing a product the performs worse than it's last generation?

Do people think AMD wants to commit corporate suicide? :laugh:
dude chillout, you dont have to buy it if you dont like it, but theres billions more that will buy it if you dont.
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#497
bear jesus
eidairaman1dude chillout, you dont have to buy it if you dont like it, but theres billions more that will buy it if you dont.
I was trying to say those results are probably wrong, as in faked.
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#498
DaedalusHelios
bear jesusI was trying to say those results are probably wrong, as in faked.
lol I think he was just mad and didn't read into it with a clear mind. That happens a lot in the US. :laugh:

I will buy one bulldozer most likely. I buy something from every company's generation just to see how it compares but there is no way that I expect it to compete with Intel's higher offerings. I just hope it will have something unique to offer. Either features or price per performance. Or even performance per watt. Just don't count on it being the "Smarter Choice". I always thought it was rather arrogant marketing that would insist "Smarter Choice", like buying Intel is a bad buy.
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#499
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
erm i suppose, tbh i dont care if its not any faster than wut intel has, it suits my requirements for a good machine. I just know for my bros machine the last AM3+ Bulldozer or w/e its called will be dropped into it to replace the BE 555 Unlocked to 955, n max the ram out
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#500
bear jesus
From a logical point of view surly even if there was no intel then AMD would surly make the next generation better than the past one, it would truly defy logic to produce a new product that is worse than the last ones to then discontinue the older better performing products.

Until the NDA lifts and there is reviews from multiple trusted sites which can be compared to each other there is no reason to think any of these "leaks" are accurate or anything other than attention whoring by sites who are desperate to try and increase how many people visit their site.

I try to have no expectations for bulldozer but one i cannot help but have it the one of it being better performing than the phenom II architecture, i'm just waiting to see legit reviews before i get excited or disappointed.
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