uhm; JFYI Thermalright was not a pioneer of tower-type heatsinks, in fact they were one of the late comers; Coolermaster, Scythe and others all had tower type heatsinks while Thermalright was holding on to the "top-down" design; Their XP-120 and XP-90C were top-down designs that were introduced at the same time that Scythe introduced the Ninja; and quiet computing was born :)

I don't see any difference between the former one and the Rev.A in their website.

jmkeuhm; JFYI Thermalright was not a pioneer of tower-type heatsinks, in fact they were one of the late comers; Coolermaster, Scythe and others all had tower type heatsinks while Thermalright was holding on to the "top-down" design; Their XP-120 and XP-90C were top-down designs that were introduced at the same time that Scythe introduced the Ninja; and quiet computing was born :)

Yes, but the TRUE was and will always be known as the pioneer of today's tower coolers. It set up the standarts for today's tower sinks by beating Zalman's flower design in 06.

This one's also a nice cooler. It's one of the best, if not the best performing single tower HS. A good option for dual socket platforms because of it's size. One step ahead would be twin tower sinks like the NH-D14 or the Silver Arrow.

theixI don't see any difference between the former one and the Rev.A in their website.

They're using a different fan.

150mm fan ? Wow a new entry

John DoeYes, but the TRUE was and will always be known as the pioneer of today's tower coolers.

uhm. :wtf: not quite. Thermalright TRUE is a very good heatsink, but it definitely did not create nor pioneer anything. It borrowed from competition and perfected the balance heatpipe <> fins density.

when the first tower coolers were released, thermalright was surprised that they outperformed their top-down coolers, especially inside a case. where the tower cooler orientation has a noticeable advantage.

so pioneer? far from it. Offered one of the best tower coolers out there? definitely.

John DoeYes, but the TRUE was and will always be known as the pioneer of today's tower coolers. It set up the standarts for today's tower sinks by beating Zalman's flower design in 06.

Not really. Ninja beat Zalman flower already mid-2005. Also, Scythe had tower cooler back in 2004 (mid 2004 to be fair).

It's true that TRUE was/is a great cooler and still holds against many today's HSFs, but it's no a pioneer in the meaning of this word. Also, HR-01 was released at that time and actually before TRU (not even TRUE at that time!), and still is a great low / zero air flow cooler.

The pioneering was however done by Scythe, to be fair.

www.silentpcreview.com/section11.html?from=105

jmkeuhm. :wtf: not quite. Thermalright TRUE is a very good heatsink, but it definitely did not create nor pioneer anything. It borrowed from competition and perfected the balance heatpipe <> fins density.

when the first tower coolers were released, thermalright was surprised that they outperformed their top-down coolers, especially inside a case. where the tower cooler orientation has a noticeable advantage.

so pioneer? far from it. Offered one of the best tower coolers out there? definitely.

Yes, pretty quite. Not sure where you have been, but have a look at any tower cooler in the market, then at the TRUE. Most coolers today borrowed their shape/design from the TRUE.

katerNot really. Ninja beat Zalman flower already mid-2005. Also, Scythe had tower cooler back in 2004 (mid 2004 to be fair).

It's true that TRUE was/is a great cooler and still holds against many today's HSFs, but it's no a pioneer in the meaning of this word. Also, HR-01 was released at that time and actually before TRU (not even TRUE at that time!), and still is a great low / zero air flow cooler.

The pioneering was however done by Scythe, to be fair.

www.silentpcreview.com/section11.html?from=105

No, it wasn't. Where have you guys been in the past years, when everybody went by the TRUE, then by HDT coolers with similar shapes (for budget), and the Megahalems, along with Noctua? Further, the Ninja didn't beat the CNPS 9700. It offered similar performance, but because Zalman coolers were more common, they were known as some of the best until the TRUE came in.

The best air cooler just got better.

Actually, Archon isn't the best one. The reason it shined in benches is it's stock config. You're limited to a 150mm fan on this one, while a NH-D14 can be cooled by three different fans. So there you can not only have a bigger dissipation area, but also better fans.

John Doe,
Please do a little research before you write something ;) In my previous post I gave you a link to SPCR cooler section, look it up. Below is 9700 test.
www.silentpcreview.com/article727-page3.html
The original Ninja easily beat the 9700, see the link. Also, 9700 was launched later. Zalman had its part in queit/performance cooling, but their 8-shaped cooler were crap performancewise.
Also, I can't say for you location but where I live Scythe's are/were way more popular.

That's a nonsense review. Who would build such gaming machine (of that time) to keep it super silent? Obviously, the Ninja would have the edge with bigger fan, and better fin design for low speeds. Turn the Zalman's knob all the way up and it'll perform just as good, if not better. Also, NewEgg carried both but Zalman made it's name with the CNPS design. Scythe was famous, too. They were both famous between enthuasiasts. Scythe was more enthuasiast-oriented though. With that said, I had the CNPS 9700 and it certainly wasn't "crap". It gave good performance, looked nice and the best of all, offered 5C lower NB temps than my Megahalems. The flower design blows air over NB/VRM's to cool them down as well. In all honestly, you're the one here that doesn't know. There's a difference between reading and knowing from experience.

Animalpak150mm fan ? Wow a new entry

The fan is still 140mm. ty-140:

Dimension: L160mm x H140mm x W26.5mm
Weight: 140g
Fan speed: 900~1300RPM (PWM controlled)
Fan noise: 19~21dBA
Airflow: 56~73CFM
Connector: 4 Pin (PWM Fan connector)

ty-150:

Dimension: L160mm x H140mm x W26.5mm
Weight: 160g
Fan speed: 500~1100RPM (PWM controlled)
Fan noise: 19~23dBA
Airflow: 38~84CFM
Connector: 4 Pin (PWM Fan connector)

That's nice. Should be solid then, higher pressure per CFM with a smaller but faster fan. The Silver Arrow with faster fans would still beat it though. The twin tower design can dissipate more heat. It's the way to go if you don't care about size IMO.

it's pretty clear John Doe has no clue about heatsink history;
been testing heatsinks since GlobalWin FOP38 on Athlon T-bird Socket 462 (60mm 4000rpm screamer); before introduction of copper heatsinks and heat pipes. Since then I've tested and reviewed more than 150 heatsinks ( www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/389/All-Heatsink-Tests-Done-By-Madshrimps-In-One-Place#axzz1b1zJitfh );

Thermalright pioneered the heatpipe with their SP-94; that heatsink was way better than the competition. Tower coolers however, credit goes to Coolermaster for design; Scythe for making them large enough for use with 120mm fans.

@SPCR review: "That's a nonsense review."

Nice... EOD.

jmkeit's pretty clear John Doe has no clue about heatsink history;
been testing heatsinks since GlobalWin FOP38 on Athlon T-bird Socket 462; before introduction of copper heatsinks and heat pipes. Since then I've tested and reviewed more than 150 heatsinks ( www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/389/All-Heatsink-Tests-Done-By-Madshrimps-In-One-Place#axzz1b1zJitfh );

Thermalright pioneered the heatpipe with their SP-94; that heatsink was way better than the competition. Tower coolers however, credit goes to Coolermaster for design; Scythe for making them large enough for use with 120mm fans.

Yes, I do. Where did I say TR made them first? The design of TRUE, is used by the majority of both HDT&non HDT coolers of today. Most coolers of today, let them be cheap or expensive, are shaped most similar to the TRUE. Period.

John DoeThat's a nonsense review. Who would build such gaming machine (of that time) to keep it super silent? Obviously, the Ninja would have the edge with bigger fan, and better fin design for low speeds. Turn the Zalman's knob all the way up and it'll perform just as good, if not better. Also, NewEgg carried both but Zalman made it's name with the CNPS design. Scythe was famous, too. They were both famous between enthuasiasts. Scythe was more enthuasiast-oriented though. With that said, I had the CNPS 9700 and it certainly wasn't "crap". It gave good performance, looked nice and the best of all, offered 5C lower NB temps than my Megahalems. The flower design blows air over NB/VRM's to cool them down as well. In all honestly, you're the one here that doesn't know. There's a difference between reading and knowing from experience.

It's only nonsense if you don't know what you're reading :) It's all there. See the comparison of the 3 coolers (Zalman, Scythe and Thermalright) with the fan working at the same speed, producing same/comparable noise. Zalman produces worse thermals. Period. What else is there to say? That's how you judge HSFs. Nobody wants a crap cooler that needs 3 x 120mm fans @ 2000 RPM to achieve good thermals.
I do care about noise but for this comparison let's leave it out and simply focus on raw thermals. And still Zalman loses, as proven by the link. If I wanted to give Ninja more edge I'd slap another fan on it, and make it a faster one. But there's no need.

So please, really, DO you research before posting. I couldn't care less for your experience - you're obviously not SPCR and can't claim a pennyworth of their expertise. To remain out of the equation I won't tell you what HSF I have/had. I'll simply rely on a reputable site to pass judgment. If you don't agree with their results you're welcome to start your own testing site and work hard for a couple of years to become respected among geeks and pass your verdicts then.

Stop being silly chaps, ultimately no one cares!

I certainly didn't think " who came up with this first" when I installed my heatsinks.



+ 1 to silver arrow being the better choice though.

John DoeYes, I do. Where did I say TR made them first?

www.thefreedictionary.com/pioneer
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katerIt's only nonsense if you don't know what you're reading :) It's all there. See the comparison of the 3 coolers (Zalman, Scythe and Thermalright) with the fan working at the same speed, producing same/comparable noise. Zalman produces worse thermals. Period. What else is there to say? That's how you judge HSFs. Nobody wants a crap cooler that needs 3 x 120mm fans @ 2000 RPM to achieve good thermals.
I do care about noise but for this comparison let's leave it out and simply focus on raw thermals. And still Zalman loses, as proven by the link. If I wanted to give Ninja more edge I'd slap another fan on it, and make it a faster one. But there's no need.

So please, really, DO you research before posting. I couldn't care less for your experience - you're obviously not SPCR and can't claim a pennyworth of their expertise. To remain out of the equation I won't tell you what HSF I have/had. I'll simply rely on a reputable site to pass judgment. If you don't agree with their results you're welcome to start your own testing site and work hard for a couple of years to become respected among geeks and pass your verdicts then.

Let me see, they're testing an 3000 RPM cooler at 1000 RPM, against an another cooler with a better fin config, which can offer more airflow with a better fan. Also, that SilentPC site you guys praise so much of is a joke nowadays. Their PSU reviews are crap. If you "care" about noise, you aren't enthuasiast enough to begin with. I don't. And I will use no matter how much fans are required to get the performance I demand. One more thing, you named one of the best coolers of it's time, which gave better northbridge temps then it's competitors as "crap". Your defination of crap is faulty. In an "expertise of geeks", you don't know what you're talking about. So I suggest you to move on.

I'm unsubscribing from this thread. people like John Doe don't get silent computing; no worries; to each his/her own :)

it looks nice

"If you "care" about noise, you aren't enthuasiast enough to begin with."


I'm an pc enthusiast and like silence : [

I'm enthusiastic about silence performance computing in fact.



You have to bare in mind John Doe that a pc enthusiast doesn't necessarily mean ONLY POWER WILL DO!

There's lots of different types.

Sorry, yeah. Cought up a little too much. :o

John DoeSorry, yeah. Cought up a little too much. :o

It's easy to do so on a forum :toast: