Wednesday, January 25th 2012

Why Big Media Really Shut Down MegaUpload: To Kill The Competition

Judging by a report on TechCrunch reporting on a new (conspiracy?) theory why MegaUpload was really shut down, it appears that MegaUpload was on the verge of launching a new business model for artists, which would have blasted the likes of the RIAA and the big music companies they represent into irrelevance. That of course, they could not allow. The 'piracy' argument was a smokescreen.
MegaUpload, founded by Kim Dotcom, was about to launch a new music store and DIY distribution service called Megabox, which would have completely disrupted the established music industry. MegaUpload was in a legal war with the RIAA & MPAA, with MegaUpload having just sued Universal Music Group for wrongly blocking their recent star-studded YouTube campaign and things were getting very ugly indeed. However, it looks like the quiet launch of Megabox would have been a step too far, so they tore MegaUpload apart. TechCrunch explains how Megabox would have worked:

"Dotcom described Megabox as Megaupload's iTunes competitor, which would even eventually offer free premium movies via Megamovie, a site set to launch in 2012. This service would take Megaupload from being just a digital locker site to a full-fledged player in the digital content game.

The kicker was Megabox would cater to unsigned artists and allow anyone to sell their creations while allowing the artist to retain 90% of the earnings. Or, artists could even giveaway their songs and would be paid through a service called Megakey. "Yes that's right, we will pay artists even for free downloads. The Megakey business model has been tested with over a million users and it works," Kim Dotcom told TorrentFreak in December. Megabox was planning on bypassing the labels, RIAA, and the entire music establishment."

MegaUpload was not the first site to try this business model, one far more generous to the artists that actually produce this precious content than the established order that claims to be protecting them. However, they were huge, being the 13th most visited site on the internet, taking 4% of worldwide internet traffic and had a massive 180 million registered users with over 50 million visiting the site daily. Hence they were likely to have pulled it off. Bad news for the all-powerful established music businesses and something they couldn't let happen. Right now, Kim Dotcom and several other executives from the now defunct site and brand are awaiting trial on several charges, including various counts of piracy, racketeering and money laundering. TechCrunch described MegaUpload's demise beautifully:

"It seems they flew too close to the sun. High on success and a half a world away in New Zealand and Hong Kong, they attempted to take on the music industry head-on. Now they're in jail."
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108 Comments on Why Big Media Really Shut Down MegaUpload: To Kill The Competition

#26
entropy13
TheMailMan78I love the excuse to hate on the U.S. when New Zealand is a sovereign nation and didn't have to comply with the extradition request. Or no one even gives the US the benefit of the doubt that these guys might be guilty. Instead all we see is a vast conspiracy with nothing but circumstantial evidence. Whats next the RIAA sponsored HARRP to shoot death rays at software pirates in China? I mean we have as much proof of that as we do this.
So you seriously don't know how much of a "hand" the RIAA and MPAA have in New Zealand, through their local "counterparts" as well as local lobbyists?
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#27
TheMailMan78
Big Member
entropy13So you seriously don't know how much of a "hand" the RIAA and MPAA have in New Zealand, through their local "counterparts" as well as local lobbyists?
Neither do you but you ASSUME they have vast power yet have zero proof. But I know logic and critical thinking don't apply to ideology. I wonder why Wiki and Google don't protest by going black for these martyrs of the cyber world? Hmmmmmm.

Some of us still like to have all the facts before we pass judgment and not follow populous ideas like sheep.
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#28
gorg_graggel
FrickIt is true, according to qubit. There's not a hint of doubt. There's no evidence of course, but that hardly matters. :shadedshu
of course it doesn't matter.
when you get innocently accused of murder and the court says:
"well, there is no real evidence here, but because we don't like how you use the crapper, we'll just give you the death sentence!"

good times... :rolleyes:
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#29
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
gorg_graggelof course it doesn't matter.
when you get innocently accused of murder and the court says:
"well, there is no real evidence here, but because we don't like how you use the crapper, we'll just give you the death sentence!"

good times... :rolleyes:
You got it the wrong way. There is evidence that Dotcom knew about pirated content and all that jazz, but it's only speculation "Big Media" made their move because Medaupload was launching a new music service. But to qubit, such things does not matter. He has made up his mind and now he wants us to agree with him. It's how this works.
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#30
gorg_graggel
FrickYou got it the wrong way. There is evidence that Dotcom knew about pirated content and all that jazz, but it's only speculation "Big Media" made their move because Medaupload was launching a new music service. But to qubit, such things does not matter. He has made up his mind and now he wants us to agree with him. It's how this works.
do you always shoot the messenger?
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#31
TheMailMan78
Big Member
gorg_graggeldo you always shoot the messenger?
There is a difference between a messenger and a chicken little.
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#32
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
gorg_graggeldo you always shoot the messenger?
Fair enough. Show me evidence that they made their move for that reason and I will change my stance.
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#33
entropy13
TheMailMan78Neither do you but you ASSUME they have vast power yet have zero proof. But I know logic and critical thinking don't apply to ideology. I wonder why Wiki and Google don't protest by going black for these martyrs of the cyber world? Hmmmmmm.

Some of us still like to have all the facts before we pass judgment and not follow populous ideas like sheep.
I don't assume, since there was legislation of a three-strikes bill (similar to what France now has, enforced by HADOPI) relatively recently in New Zealand. And there isn't exactly that much "NZ intellectual property" to "protect" from piracy anyway. Especially considering the "top pirated" data from NZ too.

Oh it's actually in force now, as the Copyright Amendment Act of 2011.
torrentfreak.com/kiwis-protest-new-anti-piracy-law-110421/

Then there's the cable from Wikileaks - US to NZ: "We'll fund anti-piracy campaign"

Unless of course those cables are false, eh MM? :laugh:

EDIT: inb4 MM says TorrentFreak is a biased source (as if there's a truly unbiased source)
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#34
gorg_graggel
TheMailMan78There is a difference between a messenger and a chicken little.
oh c'mon, just because he didn't explicitly state that it's questionable, doesn't mean anything.
actually the first line of the news tells you that he just forwards news.
FrickFair enough. Show me evidence that they made their move for that reason and I will change my stance.
which is, what my first post in the thread was about... ;)
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#35
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
gorg_graggelwhich is, what my first post in the thread was about... ;)
I apologize, I totally missunderstood that post. I read it a few more times and now I think i'm on the ball. I'm sorry for that.
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#36
digibucc
if he were writing something you agreed with, there'd be no problem - but because you don't agree with him it's a travesty. if W1z didn't want it, he'd not be a news poster. get over yourself!

as for this: i don't know how much of it is true - but i DO know that they are much more afraid of competition than they are of piracy. the industry itself is corrupt and without you at least admitting that we can't have an actual conversation.
gorg_graggeloh dear, was it so badly worded?
it was perfectly clear - Frick was too busy ranting against Qubit to actually parse your words.
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#37
gorg_graggel
FrickI apologize, I totally missunderstood that post. I read it a few more times and now I think i'm on the ball. I'm sorry for that.
oh dear, is it so badly worded?
i'm no native english speaker, so sorry if i made it hard to understand...
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#38
gorg_graggel
digibuccit was perfectly clear - Frick was too busy ranting against Qubit to actually parse your words.
yeah, it's ok. he apologized. no need for any more quarrel here... :toast:

oops, sorry for making a new reply instead of editing...
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#39
LittleLizard
To quote an good, ol' game.

"Corporations have more power than the governments".
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#40
digibucc
gorg_graggelyeah, it's ok. he apologized.
you asked, i answered - what's the problem?
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#41
gorg_graggel
digibuccyou asked, i answered - what's the problem?
the part where you attack him, although he apologized...
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#42
brandonwh64
Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!!
TheMailMan78Nevermind the e-mails between the employees bragging about how they deliver pirated goods via their service. Or the fact they disabled the "abuse" button that would only remove a single link to a pirated file not the pirated file itself. Naaaaaa. These guys were angles with 18 cars and licenses plates that said "EVIL," "MAFIA" and "GUILTY." I'm sure the racketeering charge is made up too.
ANGLE? like a Angler? or right angle? LOL
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#43
TheMailMan78
Big Member
brandonwh64ANGLE? like a Angler? or right angle? LOL
:wtf: <-----------those are laser beam eyes shooting at you.
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#44
Steevo
There are multiple things wrong here.

First is again, it wasn't a US based business. So whatever happened should have happened with the legal system in the home land of the mother country.

Second, illegal content or not the thing that bothers me is theh arrested and assume guilt first and make him prove his innocence, exactly the ideas the US is supposedly freeing other countries from.

Third, we have free speech on the internet, this means we CAN question and have these theories and talk about it. TNever question the correct"man" and soon it will be correct and right for him to enslave you.
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#45
brandonwh64
Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!!
TheMailMan78:wtf: <-----------those are laser beam eyes shooting at you.
LOL I had too! It brings some smiles to this flame engulfed thread!
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#46
gorg_graggel
SteevoFirst is again, it wasn't a US based business. So whatever happened should have happened with the legal system in the home land of the mother country.
i don't see anything wrong with governments working together.
it's just hypocritical that mostly only crimes get prosecuted that are based on what is currently on their agenda...
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#47
digibucc
gorg_graggelthe part where you attack him, although he apologized...
meFrick was too busy ranting against Qubit to actually parse your words
that's an attack? sorry, but i disagree. it was an assessment.
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#48
gorg_graggel
digibuccthat's an attack? sorry, but i disagree. it was an assessment.
and you don't think, that kind of assessment is rather judgmental, which potentially leads to more QQ, because of it's disrespectful nature? people tend to take such things personal...

my impression was you're basically saying: "...because he's a dick!"

but maybe that's just my lack of linguistic ability...if so, i apologize...

maybe we should end this and focus on the topic at hand...

(ps: gawd, that's so awkward...i sound like a dad teaching his kids how to behave... :p )
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#49
R_1
People, that's your freedom taken. We all got enslaved, don't we have rights? Do we conspire something... against god or state?
@TheMailMan78 - man you are making preemptive PR here. Conspiracy theorist are RIAA, cause they conspire against a legit business, seeing it as a competitor. What they did is effectively killing that business and dragging people in court for some expensive years of proving their innocence. As a direct result of that millions of users lost their data on MegaUpload servers. Are they all pirates? Do RIAA have proof for that, and what kind of proof is that - stated in Court decisions or some hypothetical assumption of guilt. In my country , some 55 years ago 20 000 people were killed and then , 12 months after burial in unmarked graves, some of the were tried in Court post-mortem for conspiring against the state. Those are Dark Ages man... !
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#50
NinkobEi
The guy had servers in america (Virginia) distributing pirated material. That is why the US had jurisdiction to arrest him. His stupid ass should have kept servers in one neutral country like TPB
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