AvonXI am not so sure if AMD will continue to deliver on the graphics cards.

GCN 2.0 v GK110

Maxwell (2014) vs ? (2013-2014?)

I think AMDs graphics division is the only I would bet on

AvonXWell the new leader John Gustafson will be focusing on parallel compute. CPU/GPU Obviously this is all about APU's.
So i don't see how that will work out. Only time will tell.

STOP TROLLING!!!!!!!!!!

seriously lol

yes APU's are a BIG focus as its the future and AMD is headed there quick, that in NO WAY means lesser quality dedicated graphics, none whatsoever.

now. STOP TROLLING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Covert_DeathSTOP TROLLING!!!!!!!!!!

seriously lol

yes APU's are a BIG focus as its the future and AMD is headed there quick, that in NO WAY means lesser quality dedicated graphics, none whatsoever.

now. STOP TROLLING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well you can "lol" all you want. I just posted on what has been said.
Can you provide us a link or a source based on what you have just said?

AvonXWell you can "lol" all you want. I just posted on what has been said.
Can you provide us a link or a source based on what you have just said?

I think the fact that AMD released the 7970 Ghz Ed speaks volumes. I think they are dedicated as ever to creating a competitive high end gpu market.

v12dockI think the fact that AMD released the 7970 Ghz Ed speaks volumes. I think they are dedicated as ever to creating a competitive high end gpu market.

Well that is based on what they currently have. No surprises there.
I am waiting to see what they have coming in the next gen GPU's.

AvonXWell that is based on what they currently have. No surprises there.
I am waiting to see what they have coming in the next gen GPU's.

You could say the same thing about Nvidia. AMD has GCN 2 and Nvidia has GK110/Maxwell.

They would not just abandon a product that has great success

AvonXWell that is based on what they currently have. No surprises there.
I am waiting to see what they have coming in the next gen GPU's.

Year after year AMD made huge profits on discrete. Without R&D via discrete high end, there wouldn't be medium, low and APU "EFFICIENTLY DESIGNED" graphics by them.

Why would anybody wand AMD to fail? You know as much as everybody we need competition so we have a choice.

Indeed!

As Super XP said - we need a competition.
If AMD were to go away, then Intel would be the only x86 manufacturer left. That would mean there would be nothing stopping Intel to, say, for example, raise their prices by 500%. Also one more [even more horrible thing] - there would be no need for Intel to spend money developing better chips. They could simply sell the current design for years - as there would be no alternative to compete against [by making better chips].

Covert_Deathwhere do all these names get made up and how far down the line is backhoe lol????

I think he ment as joke. I thought Excavator successor is ripper or rotating grab or sheep's or foot compactor or skeleton bucket or snow blower or stump grinder or tiltrotator or trencher :D

VinskaIndeed!

As Super XP said - we need a competition.
If AMD were to go away, then Intel would be the only x86 manufacturer left. That would mean there would be nothing stopping Intel to, say, for example, raise their prices by 500%. Also one more [even more horrible thing] - there would be no need for Intel to spend money developing better chips. They could simply sell the current design for years - as there would be no alternative to compete against [by making better chips].

Yes we do need competition but we have no competition on the CPU side.
Its like AMD does not even exist.
If AMD had a true competition against Intel, Intel's prices would drop even more.

Super XPYear after year AMD made huge profits on discrete. Without R&D via discrete high end, there wouldn't be medium, low and APU "EFFICIENTLY DESIGNED" graphics by them.

Why would anybody wand AMD to fail? You know as much as everybody we need competition so we have a choice.

First of all i did not say that i want AMD to fail. Where did you get that from?
Don't understand you really.

nt300I think he ment as joke. I thought Excavator successor is ripper or rotating grab or sheep's or foot compactor or skeleton bucket or snow blower or stump grinder or tiltrotator or trencher :D

Wasn't the order:
Excavator, Lawn Mower, Weed Trimmer, Electric Toothbrush :D :laugh:

On Topic- I have 4 AM3+ sockets waiting for some Vishera silicon so bring it on!!! :cool:

FrickJust out of curiosity, why dump amd graphic cards if their cpus doesnt deliver?

Have you seen the most recent Nvidia offerings? Not so much of a flip on both due to CPU's, but more of performance that is offered without issues.

SteevoI am waiting for GTA 5 to see what my next system will be. If AMD doesn't get its crap together I will be Intel and Nvidia.

Imho you wont need to upgrade at all, If rockstar dont include a free mem leak this time, Gta 4 runs well on mine now , but i cant be assed finishing it and GTA5 does not look that much better graphically ,and i wouldnt worry about PD's performance, in games and normal use it will be a good chip, i may have to go back to single card gfx but time will tell , your system specs sound spot on and if i had a 6 core i wouldnt be bothered upgradeing , yet.

I think a valid point that some should note is just how good a chip sandybridge was ,ivybridge isnt a bad follow up but sandy stepped up the game more ,so to me if this chip is as good as a 2600K and the right price then alls good, oh but it has to be 5Ghz capable , then its another reasonably cheap upgrade:D

SteevoHave you seen the most recent Nvidia offerings? Not so much of a flip on both due to CPU's, but more of performance that is offered without issues.

LIES!!! Seriously though, this 7970 is the best card I've ever owned in terms of not having problems. Still, I can understand the disappointment of AMD users. Not here or there though... I don't bother speculation about AMD's CPU's anymore. Too much misinformation. Someone on the internet is WRONG! :eek:

theoneandonlymrkImho you wont need to upgrade at all, If rockstar dont include a free mem leak this time, Gta 4 runs well on mine now , but i cant be assed finishing it and GTA5 does not look that much better graphically ,and i wouldnt worry about PD's performance, in games and normal use it will be a good chip, i may have to go back to single card gfx but time will tell , your system specs sound spot on and if i had a 6 core i wouldnt be bothered upgradeing , yet.

I think a valid point that some should note is just how good a chip sandybridge was ,ivybridge isnt a bad follow up but sandy stepped up the game more ,so to me if this chip is as good as a 2600K and the right price then alls good, oh but it has to be 5Ghz capable , then its another reasonably cheap upgrade:D

People keep forgeting how much more money Intel has for R&D not to mention having its own fabs. AMD may have slipped with the Bulldozer and its aggressive marketing but now they need time to fix the issues. AMDs new management seem to be on the ball and are trying to stick with the release dates without delays. It interesting to note after the release of Piledriver AMD is releasing the Steamroller quickly after. So Piledriver will be short lived. What we should be talking about is Steamroller and how it should have ben the Bulldozer from the start.

Okay, I lied.. I'm going to speculate a little. From what I gather Bulldozer was created by software. Actual people are now taking this chip made by robots and refining it. I suppose I expect Piledriver (Vishera) to be like going from a PII 940 to a PII 965 on a good day.

nt300at we should be talking about is Steamroller and how it should have ben the Bulldozer from the start.

I don't think so.

AMD launched Athlon, tweaked it for years, it became Athlon64, before moving on to Phenom. They tweaked that for a while, several years, then they released FX.

They will tweak that for several years, and then we'll get something new.


FX chips appeal quite well to servers, not so much to desktops, but AMD focusing on the server side of things is not new either.


In fact, it's just the same old story, yet better, because AMD is selling basically every chip it can make now, CPU and GPU alike. They are very much a success right now, business-wise. Performance-wise...well..not everyone needs a BMW.

That was my whole ponit about posting my pic of the FM2 APU, an unreleased chip that was minted like 9 months ago. They needed that ime to build stock, while they sold out on fab time. AMD is back on the way up, but I don't think high peroframnce is worth the risk they would have to take, so really ,I find no fault at all with AMD of their products.


I just wish Eyefinity adn Multi-GPU Crossfire got a bit more support.

erockerFrom what I gather Bulldozer was created by software.

Uhm, in at least 2 articles [that were noted in this thread], it said about how Bulldozer was mostly "hand-made", and that now they are using automated means to "clean" it up as allegedly when designing "manually", there is a lot of room to oversights, etc. yadda, yadda, yadda...

erockerOkay, I lied.. I'm going to speculate a little. From what I gather Bulldozer was created by software. Actual people are now taking this chip made by robots and refining it. I suppose I expect Piledriver (Vishera) to be like going from a PII 940 to a PII 965 on a good day.

Yeah, it's the opposite of what you think. AMD has publically stated that it(Bulldozer) was done by hand, and Steamroller will include the automated tool optimizations, that yield a 30% savings in die space, which will also shorten the pipeline physically, leading to a decent performance boost.

See below:

I clearly remember reading the opposite... I even remember it coming from W1zzard's keyboard. Meh, this is why speculation is lame. I retract my statement in this thread as until the chip is released nothing matters.

erockerLIES!!! Seriously though, this 7970 is the best card I've ever owned in terms of not having problems. Still, I can understand the disappointment of AMD users. Not here or there though... I don't bother speculation about AMD's CPU's anymore. Too much misinformation. Someone on the internet is WRONG! :eek:

I like the ability to overclock the AMD offerings better, but seriously, all the shit they have spewed about Open CL and much else and they have failed, seriously failed for years at making anything of it.

Then the last few drivers have had some minor issues, and 12.8 has caused me a couple issues with my card that has been rock solid for years now.

If they can't figure out a way to deliver a solid product across the platforms I use I don't see a good reason to use them anymore. I'm not disappointed in my 1100T, nor my 5870 in terms of longevity, but the newer "upgrades" that I have to choose from make me sick. So either I stay with a older CPU and buy a new GPU, or build a whole new system and AMD is still not playing in the same game as Intel, how may years after the Phenom bullshit?

Real men use real cores......FFS. Marketing a crap sandwich.

erockerI clearly remember reading the opposite... I even remember it coming from W1zzard's keyboard. Meh, this is why speculation is lame. I retract my statement in this thread as until the chip is released nothing matters.

There has been a fair bit of news in recent months about CPUs/GPUs failing form being done just by automated tools, which is probably why you think that you heard that about Bulldozer before.

Nvidia even publically admitted that the Fermi problems were 100% related to using automated tools to design the chip, and that those tools, or a lack of using an updated version of teh tools, led to the Fermi problem.

Afaik phenomII was the hand crafted one, Bulldozer used automated system but low density libraries made for cpu's, piledriver is automated design yet hand tweaked, and steamroller is automated and also using High density libraries(used already on GPU's by AMD) with their autorouting software:)

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theoneandonlymrkAfaik phenomII was the hand crafted one, Bulldozer used automated system but low density libraries made for cpu's, piledriver is automated design yet hand tweaked and also using High density libraries(used already on GPU's) with their autorouting software:)

See cadaveca's post above with their own slides saying BD was handcrafted.