AvonXI don't think they will do that.

It's time they did, actually.


AM3+ wasn't supposed to exist. Due to popular demand(ie OEM and big-box server partners), Bulldozer was moved form it's intended socket, with quad-channel DDR3, to it's current desktop model, on the dual-channel AM3+ platform.


It's time for either that move back to quad-channel DDR3, or DDR4, whatever, but tiem for a new socket has long passed.


In fact ,wen I asked AMD staff about BUlldozer, and whether a socket change was required to see the full potential, I was quite explicitly told "YES".

AvonXEven if we knew how to contact him AMD does not even let the guy to talk publicly for some reason.
The guy is a star, i don't get it really.

And he probably has some fancy NDAs in his contract and such. In "that world", leaking certain information can be disastrous for a company, so it is standard practice to do so, AFAIK.
There are many interesting things both int the HW and SW world that I [and prolly millions] would be very interested in. Things that can only be told by the ones who were working with it. But everything is so closed & guarded, we probably going to get to know these things many years later, if ever. I find that to be a very frustrating thing.

AMD's cache issue doesn't just lie with Bulldozer, it's in every CPU they've released. Adding more cache should increase performance, but it does not, or not as much as say Intel's CPU's would gain. If AMD can resolve this problem with Excavator, then more cache would matter for them.

cadavecaI do not know who this guy is. I mean, I'm into hardware...like few others are...I've heard his name before, but it's not something that EVER seemed to be something I should remember.

I could be wrong though...but really, not someone on my radar, at all.

He is "Arguably" the best CPU architect on earth. If anybody can turn AMD around, he can. If an insider leaks that Steamroller is going to be 45% clock 4 clock faster than today's Bulldozer, I wouldn't take that with a grain of salt, I would take it as if it came out of the CEO's mouth:D

I read elsewhere both Amd and intel are going to be adding large L4??(not actually named it) caches via interposers/ chip stacking / Isv soon, intel with their crystalwell/ haswell(alleged) Amd likely to do it with Kaveri/ excavator (a guess as no info) Amd will use this ultra wide on chip cache to boost cpu speed whilst interestingly its alleged intel will use it to speed up and enhance their igpu element, makes for a gap closer eh;).

imho steamroller arch is another inbetweener arch like PD in itself a polished tweeked BD, excavator will again be all new(a guess) like BD and will at that point be built for true unit integration with the gpu element'S ,requireing a new socket which might arrive with steamroller but i doubt it.

theoneandonlymrkI read elsewhere both Amd and intel are going to be adding large L4??(not actually named it) caches via interposers/ chip stacking / Isv soon, intel with their crystalwell/ haswell(alleged) Amd likely to do it with Kaveri/ excavator (a guess as no info) Amd will use this ultra wide on chip cache to boost cpu speed whilst interestingly its alleged intel will use it to speed up and enhance their igpu element, makes for a gap closer eh;).

imho steamroller arch is another inbetweener arch like PD in itself a polished tweeked BD, excavator will again be all new(a guess) like BD and will at that point be built for true unit integration with the gpu element'S ,requireing a new socket which might arrive with steamroller but i doubt it.

AMD will only release a new socket if they go DDR4. Of course that is my opinion. :D

Super XPAMD will only release a new socket if they go DDR4. Of course that is my opinion.

me too , clearly both optimists with 990Fx mobos :D

whatever they have in the works if you consider it was also Amd that started the FSB buss speed upping and created hypertransport way before intel had similar, im sure Excavator will also include internal Buss improvements too thats what leads my arch change thoughts.

Super XPHe is "Arguably" the best CPU architect on earth. If anybody can turn AMD around, he can. If an insider leaks that Steamroller is going to be 45% clock 4 clock faster than today's Bulldozer, I wouldn't take that with a grain of salt, I would take it as if it came out of the CEO's mouth:D

Shame he was working for apple and elsewhere for many years.
He has allot of talent. He could be a little rusty now at the beginning, he was working way to long on mobile devices.
And that is why Rory hired him. The focus will be on mobile devices unfortunately.

AvonXShame he was working for apple and elsewhere for many years.
He has allot of talent. He could be a little rusty now at the beginning, he was working way to long on mobile devices.
And that is why Rory hired him. The focus will be on mobile devices unfortunately.

i highly doubt that... AMD needs help in high end CPU and server chips... hence they hired the best there is, my speculation makes 100x more sense than yours does lol, sorry.

i don't believe whatsoever AMD would hire the him for focus on something like mobile tech, not for a second.

theoneandonlymrkme too , clearly both optimists with 990Fx mobos :D

whatever they have in the works if you consider it was also Amd that started the FSB buss speed upping and created hypertransport way before intel had similar, im sure Excavator will also include internal Buss improvements too thats what leads my arch change thoughts.

you forget 970 users.

Honestly I feel that After Steam Roller AMD should consolidate the Socket to FM2 (no socket change to FM2+ or w/e), it would reduce the amt of sockets engineered,

eidairaman1you forget 970 users.

Honestly I feel that After Steam Roller AMD should consolidate the Socket to FM2 (no socket change to FM2+ or w/e), it would reduce the amt of sockets engineered,

So both APU's and CPU's would work on them. Don't you need different chipsets to cater to each of then?

Super XPSo both APU's and CPU's would work on them. Don't you need different chipsets to cater to each of then?

Highly doubt that would happen.

It is possible since there are non apu units on FM1

Dent1I don't think AMD's CEOs are losing any sleep over you.

I'm kinda in the same boat, and yes they will lose sleep when we represent the group they are trying to sell to.

Lucky for them, I still prefer their CPUs because of their price/performance, my track history with them (which is great) and last but not least, my loyalty.

3870x2I'm kinda in the same boat, and yes they will lose sleep when we represent the group they are trying to sell to.

Lucky for them, I still prefer their CPUs because of their price/performance, my track history with them (which is great) and last but not least, my loyalty.

Intels pricing was still high even though AMD was kicking their butt at the time

3870x2I'm kinda in the same boat, and yes they will lose sleep when we represent the group they are trying to sell to.

We the "enthusiasts" are not the group they are trying to sell to. If that was the case the company would be in liquidation by now,

Dent1We the "enthusiasts" are not the group they are trying to sell to. If that was the case the company would be in liquidation by now,

ya we technically are 1% of a Computer market

eidairaman1ya we technically are 1% of a Computer market

which interestingly would be easily serviced just out of one binning of an APU, the (binned)ones where the GPU doesnt work and the cores clock well and even better minus the gpu heat, all would equal your enthusiast cpu of the future to me.

afaik prior gen amd chipsets are still compatible with Fx and the FM socket range and on the whole if the busses match up ,and they do, most later amd chipsets should still work and have been attached to Fm1 sockets, its mostly a case of what features the processor socket /cpu can do verses what the featureset of the motherboard will have.

theoneandonlymrkwhich interestingly would be easily serviced just out of one binning of an APU, the (binned)ones where the GPU doesnt work and the cores clock well and even better minus the gpu heat, all would equal your enthusiast cpu of the future to me.

afaik prior gen amd chipsets are still compatible with Fx and the FM socket range and on the whole if the busses match up ,and they do, most later amd chipsets should still work and have been attached to Fm1 sockets, its mostly a case of what features the processor socket /cpu can do verses what the featureset of the motherboard will have.

A75 and 970 seem to be equivalent as of PEG configuration and feature set

So.. I'm sure it's been mentioned, what is going on with AMD's sockets in the near future? I don't see a switch to FM2 as it is less pins than AM3+ and I assume some of those pins are limited to the on chip GPU.

erockerSo.. I'm sure it's been mentioned, what is going on with AMD's sockets in the near future? I don't see a switch to FM2 as it is less pins than AM3+ and I assume some of those pins are limited to the on chip GPU.

it would be a suggestion to consolidate the socket designs.

man Skt A was universal...

Sure, but has there been any info for a new socket?

erockerSure, but has there been any info for a new socket?

i dont think there has been ill see if there might be any info after AM3+

erockerSure, but has there been any info for a new socket?

Not at all. Not ONE SINGLE piece of belly lint.

I think it's not likely.


Is it possible? I think it's VERY possible.

Two reasons. One, that whole question i asked AMD that said Bulldozer needed a new socket for the best perforamcne, and secondly, to perhaps add PCIe 3.0 support.

Of course, PCIe 3.0 could be done without a socket change, i think.

cadavecaNot at all. Not ONE SINGLE piece of belly lint.

I think it's not likely.


Is it possible? I think it's VERY possible.

Two reasons. One, that whole question i asked AMD that said Bulldozer needed a new socket for the best perforamcne, and secondly, to perhaps add PCIe 3.0 support.

Of course, PCIe 3.0 could be done without a socket change, i think.

only issue is they could add more pins for that signalling thus calling for a new cpu and socket anyway...

erockerSo.. I'm sure it's been mentioned, what is going on with AMD's sockets in the near future? I don't see a switch to FM2 as it is less pins than AM3+ and I assume some of those pins are limited to the on chip GPU.

In the past I believe it took INTEL approx: 2 years to addopt DDR. At that time they were using Rambus RAM. AMD started using DDR I think in the year 2000 with the Athlon CPU's. So my original point was perhaps AMD will wait for DDR4 prices to fall and continue to use DDR3 or they will develope a IMC that supports both DDR3/4 for Socket AM4?..

Now I really need to stay away from that Irish Whiskey :laugh: I'm sticking to Greek Ouzo next time. :D

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