AvonX:laugh:

The FX-8350 is a "Zambezi" "Tweaked" When its finally released, maybe it will be listed in CPU-Z as "Vishera" but i doubt it.
Why should they lie about it? Its a "Zambezi" and that just shows that AMD does not care about dedicated desktop performance CPU's.
The only thing that we could hope for, is for this to be the FX-8170 which i highly doubt. LOL
Or maybe it really is the FX-8170 and they cancelled everything else for dedicated desktop cpus and they are just going to release it as "FX-8350".

That validation was done at the original CPU-Z website.

valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2508909

This is nonesense. Even the Engineering samples would state that its a Piledriver and not a Bulldozer.
The Piledriver based CPU's will not be the 1st stepping or the 1st revision, at the very least they will be based on OR-C2 or OR-C3 revision/stepping seeing how Bulldozer was based on OR-B2, because B0 & B1 ran too hot.

Good lord looks like AMD sure is putting the screws to them CPU's, Man 4.2GHz!!!

Super XPThis is nonesense. Even the Engineering samples would state that its a Piledriver and not a Bulldozer.
The Piledriver based CPU's will not be the 1st stepping or the 1st revision, at the very least they will be based on OR-C2 or OR-C3 revision/stepping seeing how Bulldozer was based on OR-B2, because B0 & B1 ran too hot.

Again its just a tweaked bulldozer and its not a fully fledged piledriver as in "trinity".
They just added some features "instructions" from piledriver. "That's it"

AvonXAgain its just a tweaked bulldozer and its not a fully fledged piledriver as in "trinity".
They just added some features "instructions" from piledriver. "That's it"

your spreading no more then opinion and gossip, it would be nice if you stated so, instead of insissting its all fact and stop double posting, just amend your prior post.

imho your wrong also :D

AvonXAgain its just a tweaked bulldozer and its not a fully fledged piledriver as in "trinity".
They just added some features "instructions" from piledriver. "That's it"

I know you have common sense because my common sense tells me AMD will do anything to prevent another Bulldozer disaster as some like to call it. Even 6 to 8 months before Bulldozers official launch, AMD was repairing/modifying/tweaking etc. Sections within Piledriver to ensure. Faster performance with less power draw.

Your link to that so called FX-8350 is either bogus or a very early sample of Piledriver. At this time it's all SPECULATION, NOT FACTS. Talk to me when official benchmarks are released from credible sites, then we can discuss its positives & negatives versus Bulldozer.

October is near :D

Super XPI know you have common sense because my common sense tells me AMD will do anything to prevent another Bulldozer disaster as some like to call it. Even 6 to 8 months before Bulldozers official launch, AMD was repairing/modifying/tweaking etc. Sections within Piledriver to ensure. Faster performance with less power draw.

Your link to that so called FX-8350 is either bogus or a very early sample of Piledriver. At this time it's all SPECULATION, NOT FACTS. Talk to me when official benchmarks are released from credible sites, then we can discuss its positives & negatives versus Bulldozer.

October is near :D

Yeah its near and you will soon find out that i was correct.
And also before bulldozer released we had the same response as you are doing now.
WE will see.

AvonXYeah its near and you will soon find out that i was correct.
And also before bulldozer released we had the same response as you are doing now.
WE will see.

And if you happen to be wrong? ;)

In regards to my past posting about Bulldozer being super fast, brand spanking new design, well, I was going by what AMD's marketing department was telling everybody, not to mention their specially picked benchmarks.
Bulldozer is still a great idea and an idea AMD needs to continue R&D in, but yes it was neither what we were told nor what everybody thought.
Piledriver (2012 – 32nm) should be the 1st step in fine turning the design, with Steamroller (2013 – 28nm) actually getting physically modified, and Excavator (2014 – 22nm) being what AMD should have released with the title called “Bulldozer”. Not much is known about Excavator, but you can easily speculate that it will further be physically modified for greater performance per watt.

Some might claim that AMD should have prolonged the aging Phenom design by releasing Phenom III, just so they could have rectified Bulldozer’s performance issues. Well, unfortunately for AMD that would have killed there stock price. So they went with it and despite it being what it is, Bulldozer has been selling very well.

AMD Piledriver FX Processors, at Least 20% Faster than Bulldozer
news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Piledriver-FX-Processors-at-Least-20-Faster-than-Bulldozer-278535.shtml

Super XPSome might claim that AMD should have prolonged the aging Phenom design by releasing Phenom III, just so they could have rectified Bulldozer’s performance issues. Well, unfortunately for AMD that would have killed there stock price. So they went with it and despite it being what it is, Bulldozer has been selling very well.

Intel has been fine tuning core2 duo core2 quad for years and it did not hurt them one single bit. And don't say the same excuse that everyone uses that: "the aging Phenom design by releasing Phenom III" Just finally admit it that they have done a grave mistake.

Edit: You know why Intel is so far ahead? Its not only about money, its because they execute better and they stick to what has been good for them and worked well. They did not come up with silly ideas like bulldozer. If AMD just stuck and continued to what has worked for them well, i can assure the performance would of been much more ahead to what it currently is.

No one cares what it is called, but that it works well. AMD doesn't seem to have this concept worked out yet.

There is more speculation about speculation about a idea that someone on another forum typed cause they "know" someone, than is healthy. I believe we need chest waders to stay out of the crap that has been generated in this thread.

Super XPAMD Piledriver FX Processors, at Least 20% Faster than Bulldozer
news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Piledriver-FX-Processors-at-Least-20-Faster-than-Bulldozer-278535.shtml

How many times must i tell you that "FX-8350" is not a "FULL" piledriver as in trinity?

AvonXHow many times must i tell you that "FX-8350" is not a "FULL" piledriver as in trinity?

Keep dreaming :roll:

AvonXIf AMD just stuck and continued to what has worked for them well,

Then AMD would have been out of business by now. Remember, AMD is the innovator because they cannot afford to make a mistake. INTEL is that 800 pound monster that made many poor technology desicions in the past and got padded by there Multi-billions of $$$$.

lets keep it professional in here people or does the moderator have to come in and clean out more crap?


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They are now oc higher then 9Ghz...

Anyhow real or not (all we see about it on the internet) i have to agree with AvonX Piledriver/Vishera won't be much improvement over Bulldozer I'll say about 10-15% max & probably not even 5% in some area's & all that because of higher clock speed so in another word probably slower then current Bulldozer at same clock speed...

I don't rally care about it much anymore , anyways as i hardly play games since the past 5 years or so & even less since i got back into slot cars racing , now all i need is a cheap PC to surf the net & watch Movies/TV-Series
heck my sig rig is capable of that and at that faster than an Atom CPU lmao.

ive used an atom laptop and it couldnt handle xp let alone 7, even when plugged in.

Super XPThen AMD would have been out of business by now. Remember, AMD is the innovator because they cannot afford to make a mistake. INTEL is that 800 pound monster that made many poor technology desicions in the past and got padded by there Multi-billions of $$$$.

They already are out of business and they already did "huge" mistakes, we will see how long APU's will last cause Intel is pushing very hard for low powered devices.
All the latest news are from Intel: www.fudzilla.com/processors

AvonXThey already are out of business

AMD out of business? That funny because I swear they are listed on the New York Stock Exchange.

AvonXThey already are out of business and they already did "huge" mistakes, we will see how long APU's will last cause Intel is pushing very hard for low powered devices.
All the latest news are from Intel: www.fudzilla.com/processors

Okay, these kind of posts can stop. They serve no use other than flamebaiting. I'm quite sure you have made your point several times in this thread, I see no reason for you to post in this thread any longer.

Super XPI know you have common sense because my common sense tells me AMD will do anything to prevent another Bulldozer disaster as some like to call it.

You're right Piledriver/Vishera will not be as "bad" as the first Bulldozer but it won't be a miracle performance either a little bit improvement here & there for a average 15% performance (all because of a much higher clock speed) & nothing more...

AvonXEdit: You know why Intel is so far ahead? Its not only about money, its because they execute better and they stick to what has been good for them and worked well. They (Intel) did not come up with silly ideas like bulldozer.

Yeah! you're also right Intel waits for AMD to do the hard work & then "legally" copy their design in a lazy way...

GoodmanYeah! you're also right Intel waits for AMD to do the hard work & then "legally" copy their design in a lazy way...

You speak with past proven facts. AMD's been leading the innovation charge ever since the Athlon XP... :D
Interesting QUOTE...

I don't know why everyone keeps saying BD is a failure or that the FMA3/FMA4 debacle was a "big killer". Even with that if you remove the obviously titled benchmarks coded towards intel cpu's meanwhile handicapping non intel chips, BD is still VERY competitive. Anyone who thinks that buying a CPU that beats all others in single threaded apps and uses that as a justification is ignoring how the landscape of computing has changed.

Super XPThen AMD would have been out of business by now. Remember, AMD is the innovator because they cannot afford to make a mistake. INTEL is that 800 pound monster that made many poor technology desicions in the past and got padded by there Multi-billions of $$$$.

Really? BD was a Big let Down! and now they are trying to re-brand there crap BD as Pile driver? AMD is struggling to keep up that is plain and simple. It is more evident at there attempts to jack up the core speed rather than do any real work to the cores to make them competitive. Wake up AMD fanboys AMD is for AMD, NOT YOU!

Thank you for your opinion :) Now how about you go look up Steamroller by AMD, :D

Anyhow to Vishera FX.
One major change I read about w/ Piledriver over Bulldozer is the addition of 2 x MMX pipes to the FP Unit. It's rumoured to have solved most if not all bottlenecks within the FP.

tricksonnow they are trying to re-brand there crap BD as Pile driver?

Don't know where you got that from but it is false.

erockerDon't know where you got that from but it is false.

I guess I am not really looking hard. I really do not see much of a remaking and revamping of the core tech so I see this as a BD not a PD.

Considering all the information that is out there is misinformation/lack of information there's nothing to base your assumptions on. Besides, you're not going to change anyone's mind. So... PD could be better, or it could not. That's what we actually know.

erockerConsidering all the information that is out there is misinformation/lack of information there's nothing to base your assumptions on. Besides, you're not going to change anyone's mind. So... PD could be better, or it could not. That's what we actually know.

I agree. There is this inherent desire to keep things in the dark. We will all just have to wait to see how well PD really is. All I have seen as of late from AMD is there need to put the MHZ to there CPU line nothing really more than that. This was some thing Intel did with the P4 and it did not work all that well for Intel or the P4. This is what I am seeing at any rate.