repman244Do you think that the transition to GCN based integrated GPU won't require a change in socket? I know it is kind of a silly question but still.

I don't see any reason why. GCN uses a similar memory interface as previous chips, and uses similar power, if not less. The changes within the GPU core design aren't really what I think would affect socket design, at all. IT would make hte most sense for them to implement those change NOW, with the FM2-switch, as they should be relatively minort, if for power delivery.

Of course, I could very well be wrong, but who knows. Overall pwoer consumption soulhd decrease, while perforamcne increases overall. The APUs have the benefit of being able to show increase from both CPU adn GPU design hcanges, while future CPUs will only have the core changes to rely on, which has me far mroe excited for APUs, anyway.

Is it too late or too early to play this card:

cadavecaI don't see any reason why. GCN uses a similar memory interface as previous chips, and uses similar power, if not less. The changes within the GPU core design aren't really what I think would affect socket design, at all. IT would make hte most sense for them to implement those change NOW, with the FM2-switch, as they should be relatively minort, if for power delivery.

Of course, I could very well be wrong, but who knows. Overall pwoer consumption soulhd decrease, while perforamcne increases overall. The APUs have the benefit of being able to show increase from both CPU adn GPU design hcanges, while future CPUs will only have the core changes to rely on, which has me far mroe excited for APUs, anyway.

That is if they make it that far and they don't completely shut down the company. :roll:

Interesting, if this is true, then AMD is going to release the 8-Core FX CPU's in October 2012 and the 6-Core and Quad-Core in December 2012. Who knows, and I am wondering if it would be worth upgrading my current FX-8120 for the upcoming FX-8320 :confused::D Performance speaks, it all has to do with gaming performance.

October A10-5800B
3.8GHz / 4MB L2 / 4 cores / Socket FM2
A10-5800K
3.8GHz / 4MB L2 / 4 cores / Unlocked / Socket FM2
A4-5300B
3.4GHz / 1MB L2 / 2 cores / Socket FM2
A4-5300
3.4GHz / 1MB L2 / 2 cores / Socket FM2
A6-5400B
3.6GHz / 1MB L2 / 2 cores / Socket FM2
A8-5500B
3.2GHz / 4MB L2 / 4 cores / Socket FM2
A8-5600K
3.6GHz / 4MB L2 / 4 cores / Unlocked / Socket FM2
FX-8300
3.3GHz / 8MB L3 / 8 cores / Unlocked / Socket AM3+
FX-8320
3.5GHz / 8MB L3 / 8 cores / Unlocked / Socket AM3+
FX-8350
4GHz / 8MB L3 / 8 cores / Unlocked / Socket AM3+
November
N/A

December
FX-4300 (4th quarter)
3.8GHz / 4MB L3 / 4 cores / Unlocked / Socket AM3+
-FX-4320 (4th quarter)
4GHz / 4MB L3 / 4 cores / Unlocked / Socket AM3+
-FX-4350 (4th quarter)
4.2GHz / 8MB L3 / 4 cores / Unlocked / Socket AM3+
-FX-6300 (4th quarter)
3.5GHz / 8MB L3 / 6 cores / Unlocked / Socket AM3+
-FX-6350 (4th quarter)
3.9GHz / 8MB L3 / 6 cores / Unlocked / Socket AM3+

Intel
Core i7-3970X (4th quarter)
3.5GHz / 15MB L3 / 6 cores / Unlocked / Socket 2011
www.cpu-world.com/Releases/Desktop_CPU_releases_(2012).html#October

TheLaughingManIs it too late or too early to play this card:

img.techpowerup.org/120902/JF-AMD%20Summon.jpg

Didn't you hear? That card was banned at the last rule roadmap update.

FPU hopes...

TheLostSwedeClearly you don't understand how it works then. Hyper Threading is virtual CPU cores, i.e. they're not physically inside the CPU, but it's rather the ability of one core to run multiple (two in Intel's case) threads.

AMD's route is very different, as their CPU's actually have the stated amount of cores. However, each core doesn't have a dedicated FPU and the cache is shared between the two integer processors.

Neither is ideal, but AMD clearly has a lack of FPU power and the shared cache caused some additional head ache, especially during bad predictions. But no, BD/PD is not AMD's version of Hyper Threading, instead it's AMD's attempt at adding more integer performance at the cost of FPU performance which doesn't really make sense... Now if they could do Hyper Threading on the FPU...

From all that I have read and what I can estimate, AMD is gearing towards leveraging their GPU to perform the necessary FPU calculations for the CPU. That is why I believe they are pushing HSA and OpenGL programming. They are making headway into clearing up the FMAC and breaking up the decode into one per module though on the CPU so hopefully we can see some performance improvements. I still think there is plenty of headroom for improvements and advancements. This one is a wait and see event, I think AMD has something here, but new architecture is always rough when first starting out.

WCFrom all that I have read and what I can estimate, AMD is gearing towards leveraging their GPU to perform the necessary FPU calculations for the CPU. That is why I believe they are pushing HSA and OpenGL programming. They are making headway into clearing up the FMAC and breaking up the decode into one per module though on the CPU so hopefully we can see some performance improvements. I still think there is plenty of headroom for improvements and advancements. This one is a wait and see event, I think AMD has something here, but new architecture is always rough when first starting out.

AMD does have something, I believe it has been called a turd already, now they are just attempting to polish it.

Poor compared to any equally priced Intel offering, and a step back in performance from the last generation of chips in all except a few specific benchmarks and applications.

On the server side it isn't much better with their "server" chip.

AMD has the issue of promising great things and underwhelmingly falling short of even the smallest semblance of those ideas, now their APU series is good for laptops and light weight gaming, but not much else. Now they are talking about "fabric" and all of a sudden they are trying to leverage hardware to run software they hasn't been built, and won't until someone see the need, or pays for it, and historically they won't. And by the time the performance need catches up with the production of such hardware and software the performance of the CPU may overtake what is reasonably needed, thus creating the void AMD keeps falling into.



Famous for creating hardware with functions that aren't needed to run software that doesn't exist, to fill a self proclaimed need, only to later ignore it. AMD, yep, that's us.

IF OBR slides are correct then im sorta happy realy, i was after a CPU that is as good as a 2600K and going by that it is. Which was AMD's original plan with the 8150, so to bring it up to the 2600K level is good enough for me and worth the upgrade :)

SteevoAMD does have something, I believe it has been called a turd already, now they are just attempting to polish it.

Poor compared to any equally priced Intel offering, and a step back in performance from the last generation of chips in all except a few specific benchmarks and applications.

On the server side it isn't much better with their "server" chip.

AMD has the issue of promising great things and underwhelmingly falling short of even the smallest semblance of those ideas, now their APU series is good for laptops and light weight gaming, but not much else. Now they are talking about "fabric" and all of a sudden they are trying to leverage hardware to run software they hasn't been built, and won't until someone see the need, or pays for it, and historically they won't. And by the time the performance need catches up with the production of such hardware and software the performance of the CPU may overtake what is reasonably needed, thus creating the void AMD keeps falling into.



Famous for creating hardware with functions that aren't needed to run software that doesn't exist, to fill a self proclaimed need, only to later ignore it. AMD, yep, that's us.

I am impressed, i could not have put it better myself.
That pretty much sums this up Folks.
You better get use to it.

OFFS.
Some surprise there's no mention of desktop Steamroller in a presentation about plans for HSA family.
:rolleyes:

There will be a desktop non-APU Steamroller as long as there's an enterprise non-APU Steamroller in the pipe.

largonOFFS.
Some surprise there's no mention of desktop Steamroller in a presentation about plans for HSA family.


There will be a desktop non-APU Steamroller as long as there's an enterprise non-APU Steamroller in the pipe.

+1idge ;)

largonOFFS.
Some surprise there's no mention of desktop Steamroller in a presentation about plans for HSA family.
:rolleyes:

There will be a desktop non-APU Steamroller as long as there's an enterprise non-APU Steamroller in the pipe.

Keep dreaming :laugh:
Why was it not mentioned at all then, in any of their presentations?
They did not even show what they have coming up with vishera piledriver.
Now you can fall on the floor and start crying. :roll:

1. The presentation was about enterprise CPUs, HSA and Fusion
2. Desktop Steamroller is not part of any of the categories above
3. You said it, wonder why upcoming desktop Piledriver (Vishera) was not mentioned, either. Strange is it not?

PS.
Relax, no need to take this as emotionally as you do.

largon1. The presentation was about enterprise CPUs, HSA and Fusion
2. Desktop Steamroller is not part of any of the categories above
3. You said it, wonder why upcoming desktop Piledriver (Vishera) was not mentioned, either. Strange is it not?

PS.
Relax, no need to take this as emotionally as you do.

Well they mentioned all the rest except the dedicated performance cpus.
Doesn't this tell you something?
Lats time i checked, previous presentation was all about the same things and they have not mentioned anything about performance desktop cpus. Finally someone jumped up and asked them and they responded to that not very warmly. I mean two times in a row????
I think that tells me something.

I.....think ill wait till the moonraker chips come out.....

AvonXI think this says it all:



No more dedicated desktop cpus, and i think in the near future AMD may be moving towards having an APU-only lineup from APU to FX to Opteron chips.

and i think this says it all

a new intel PR bumphlet about,,,,,,,,,,,,,;) ,,,,,,Harnessing the potential of the gpu to increase application performance:eek::wtf:, intel must be about to close and fall apart and stop selling cpus after all ive not seen a chart for intel past 2020, the end is comeing:p

software.intel.com/sites/billboard/sites/default/files/PDFs/ISA_GPUProgramming_09Aug%28final%29.pdf

AvonXI can't wait for the youtube videos. LoL

Here you go.

RecusHere you go.

Stupid people & the driver

As you can see it as a flat wheel maybe something appends that was not his fault?
But then again the guy seems drunk?

Anyway punching a guy for that is stupid the best thing to do is get in the "bulldozer" & take the key out so the guy can't go anywhere & wait for police to get there , sad seeing how we still not civilize...

Cars can be replace we all do have insurance for that sort of thing...

Back on topic , I am not hoping for something great on the next gen of bulldozer but lets hope it will be at least 15% (25% be better) more performance across the board that would be at least a step forward...

theoneandonlymrkand i think this says it all

a new intel PR bumphlet about,,,,,,,,,,,,,;) ,,,,,,Harnessing the potential of the gpu to increase application performance:eek::wtf:, intel must be about to close and fall apart and stop selling cpus after all ive not seen a chart for intel past 2020, the end is comeing:p

software.intel.com/sites/billboard/sites/default/files/PDFs/ISA_GPUProgramming_09Aug%28final%29.pdf

Did you see what he said?
"use of GPGPU in that space may be a few years away"
So always AMD is ahead of time and they fail. The thing is what do we use now.
And the bulldozer idea was a stupid idea. Tell me how many software and apps have used this arc until now or even games?

AvonXDid you see what he said?
"use of GPGPU in that space may be a few years away"
So always AMD is ahead of time and they fail. The thing is what do we use now.
And the bulldozer idea was a stupid idea. Tell me how many software and apps have used this arc until now or even games?

None, because most games and apps are still 32-bit and built for WinXP. Blame Microsoft for holding back the industry again.

I don't understand fanboys. You want AMD to fail, yet you don't understand the ramifications.

Intel has already slowed down innovation. Pretty soon they will be back to their old ways of charging premium prices for marginal upgrades.
If that happens, the consumer loses.

techtardNone, because most games and apps are still 32-bit and built for WinXP. Blame Microsoft for holding back the industry again.

I don't understand fanboys. You want AMD to fail, yet you don't understand the ramifications.

Intel has already slowed down innovation. Pretty soon they will be back to their old ways of charging premium prices for marginal upgrades.
If that happens, the consumer loses.

Microsoft? Try again, they, the game designers are lazy and want to keep reusing the same engine and do a few minor updates. DX11 has been out for quite awhile, and yet look at what we have, the Xbox and PS3 are both multi-core CPU.

I don't want AMD to fail, no one does. We just grow tired of their bullshit. Call it what it is, and stop trying to dress it up, its fine if they want to sell bulldozer as the worlds fastest 8 core as its the only one, its fine if they want to tout their few wins, but this whole new technology that never materializes is utter crap and is the cause for many to never purchase their hardware again.

3D gates and 22nm, Knights Corner...... yeah, slowing down.

AvonXSo always AMD is ahead of time and they fail. The thing is what do we use now

oh and good question ,,, what is your system, whys yours not listed


i really should try ignoreing your trolling but, intel were first to have an on chip vga component,,, intel were way before Amd fitting Fpu units in chips but behind them in x64 so whos best, neither , your way behind the whole concept of progress, and adoption rates,,,

when everybodys carrying around a quadcore cpu with quad core gpu/gpgpu in their pockets and laptop bags there wont be the issue of who will benefit and what software will use it as it will start to become the norm, and thats not far off in the west, progress happens quicker then you think sometimes ,look at gpu's and soundcards for that matter, literally burst into being the norm from not even existing, you kids sometimes:p

Another thing has me perplexed, how is a chip thats on par with and sometimes better then a 2600K bad anyway, its a tock + to intel , and a stepping + to AMD , isnt it a bit unreasonable to expect it to beat ivy bridge , i certainly wasnt expecting that, and i love the importance people put on IPC these days , since if they went by the good old time standards of how does it game and do word processing/ photo editing a 5800K APU would piss a 3770K in some benchmarks(clearly soley using onboard gpu/igpu) :p

techtardIntel has already slowed down innovation. Pretty soon they will be back to their old ways of charging premium prices for marginal upgrades.
If that happens, the consumer loses.

I do not agree with the other things you said on that post.

Well that is why i want AMD out of the way already. They are just flooding the market with useless products. They have no competition at all against intel in any market. They are not doing any good to us "consumers". And all this is due to the fact they have decided to go "cheap" a long time ago and they are still cheap on making cpus. With AMD out of the way, the world would be a better place.

I think they should just hand over the x86 licences they have to someone else who knows how to design chips. "Sooner the better"

AvonXI do not agree with the other things you said on that post.

Well that is why i want AMD out of the way already. They are just flooding the market with useless products. They have no competition at all against intel in any market. They are not doing any good to us "consumers". And all this is due to the fact they have decided to go "cheap" a long time ago and they are still cheap on making cpus. With AMD out of the way, the world would be a better place.

I think they should just hand over the x86 licences they have to someone else who knows how to design chips. "Sooner the better"

You should probably stop posting. All do is spout ignorant garbage.

techtardYou should probably stop posting. All do is spout ignorant garbage.

You probably should stop responding altogether already.
You have no idea of what you are talking about.
When you say that Microsoft is holding back the industry, i should have probably stopped from reading any further.