O.K. interesting regarding the quote below. So this tells me that we are going to have both Piledriver and Steamroller released within the year 2013. WOW, obviously good news for people in the market for change.

Piledriver = Improve Power Efficiency and Performance over Bulldozer.
Steamroller = Further improve Power Efficiency and Performance over Piledriver.

The way I read this is Bulldozer was suppose to be this future Steamroller :confused:

The architecture is still slated to debut in 2013 on GlobalFoundries' 28nm bulk process. The improvements look good on paper, but the real question remains whether or not Steamroller will be enough to go up against Haswell.

:D

Super XPO.K. interesting regarding the quote below. So this tells me that we are going to have both Piledriver and Steamroller released within the year 2013. WOW, obviously good news for people in the market for change.

Piledriver = Improve Power Efficiency and Performance over Bulldozer.
Steamroller = Further improve Power Efficiency and Performance over Piledriver.

The way I read this is Bulldozer was suppose to be this future Steamroller :confused:


:D

Nope, steamroller would be pretty much the same shit. :laugh:
They will focus highly more on power efficiency and execution.
Its more server oriented and apu's of course. Nothing to do with the enthusiasts market.

AvonXNope, steamroller would be pretty much the same shit. :laugh:
They will focus highly more on power efficiency and execution.
Its more server oriented and apu's of course. Nothing to do with the enthusiasts market.

I'd say, more TDP headroom for those OC'ing on air / stock cooling. :toast:

AvonXNope, steamroller would be pretty much the same shit. :laugh:
They will focus highly more on power efficiency and execution.
Its more server oriented and apu's of course. Nothing to do with the enthusiasts market.

There are some very big numbers in this slide, given what they represent. Branch mispredictions drop by 20%, instruction cache misses by 30%. Per-thread instruction dispatches that use the full width of the execution units are up by a quarter. Overall, these changes add up to a whopping 30% improvement in ops dispatched per clock cycle—and these numbers are based on simulation, not just hopeful estimation. Even more notably, this 30% figure comes from simulated client-focused workloads, including "digital media, productivity and gaming applications," not just the server-class applications for which the original Bulldozer core was so obviously tuned.

techreport.com/articles.x/23485

Said slide: www.techpowerup.com/img/12-08-28/154o.jpg

Of course, we should take this with a gigantic grain of salt.

naoantechreport.com/articles.x/23485

Said slide: www.techpowerup.com/img/12-08-28/154o.jpg

Of course, we should take this with a gigantic grain of salt.

Don't understand why you have quoted me.
Are you into apu's? First of all there is no road map at all for dedicated desktop cpus.
This is all for servers and apu's.

AvonXDon't understand why you have quoted me.
Are you into apu's? First of all there is no road map at all for dedicated desktop cpus.
This is all for servers and apu's.

So what's on APU that didn't fit into enthusiasts market?

Beside the integrated GPU part since the article I quoted mention nothing about it.

cadavecaHonestly, guys, if I had such a chip, I'd have posted pictures. Unfortunately, AMD has denied me contact through marketing reps, so I have no early access to parts for reviews. I do, however, have this chip, and have for some time. Not 8 months...that's just the datecode on the chip, that says "1202", which would be the second week of 2012.

That in and of itself raises some interesting questions.

That datacode means nothing. AMD has been making most of its chips roughly a year in mass before release. I sold like 8 phenom II 945BE ES chips RB-C1 with a working DDR3 memory controller. Chips were straight out of the foundry.

FACOC AC 0825FPM on my 945BE chip...

cdawallThat datacode means nothing. AMD has been making most of its chips roughly a year in mass before release.

I bought my latest Intel chip a week after it was "minted". Making chips that far in advance DOES mean something, just maybe not to you.

Also, my chip is NOT an "ES", it's full retail. If it was "ES", then you're right, it wouldn't mean much.

cadavecaI bought my latest Intel chip a week after it was "minted". Making chips that far in advance DOES mean something, just maybe not to you.

Also, my chip is NOT an "ES", it's full retail. If it was "ES", then you're right, it wouldn't mean much.

True but we have stuff like my "prerelease" 955BE AACYC stepping and all.

cdawallTrue but we have stuff like my "prerelease" 955BE AACYC stepping and all.

Which means nothing to me. Let me explain why.


Nearly all the staff at AMD back then(Phenom II days) are gone, and there is definitely a bunch of new faces on the executive side. While doing "the same old thing" may be OK with you, I do expect more from AMD under the new leadership, and things like not having enough chips to meet demand, as has happened recently with AMD, are just not acceptable.


AMD, at financial briefings, has more than once admitted they just simply cannot produce chips fast enough. They are selling each and every one. They might not be the best performance-wise, but they are in very high demand, for servers, desktops, and portable PCs. A company with such high demand must continually evolve in my books, and if they are just simply going to release the same chip they've been capable of making for the past 8 months, as shown by my own sample, then I fear for AMD's ability to capaitalize on the technology they have access to.


Like what you had, and what I have now...doesn't matter. Physical things. I do motherboard reviews, got a chip. Many other reviewers did too ,and they have posted reviews some time ago. But behind the scenes, there is far more to AMD than most consider, I think, and this may be part of AMD's downfall. They have morphed into being more transparent in what they do, but not enough.


Liek really, I think that this info that spawn this news posting should have been released by AMD themselves, directly, rather than by the channels it did. There's nothing for them to lose...as anyone expecting big gains from Piledriver is going to be sorely mistaken. AMD is talknig about Steamroller, now, because that's the really interesting chip..the rest of AMD's products are just biding time while they mint 'em. :p

AvonXDon't understand why you have quoted me.
Are you into apu's? First of all there is no road map at all for dedicated desktop cpus.
This is all for servers and apu's.

There was already a road map that showed Piledriver based desktop CPU's, but it ended there. Either way, there is no way AMD is going to stop releasing desktop enthusiast CPU's. Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller & Excavator should be branched out into servers, workstations, desktop, mobile and APU's.

Desktops may be somewhat shrinking but there's still a strong PC gaming presence (Thanks to Steam) and so desktops aren't going aywhere anytime soon.

Super XPThere was already a road map that showed Piledriver based desktop CPU's, but it ended there. Either way, there is no way AMD is going to stop releasing desktop enthusiast CPU's. Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller & Excavator should be branched out into servers, workstations, desktop, mobile and APU's.

Desktops may be somewhat shrinking but there's still a strong PC gaming presence (Thanks to Steam) and so desktops aren't going aywhere anytime soon.

Well for your information i have a recent road map sitting right here on my pc. :laugh:
There is no mention at all for desktop products. The only thing that it says its talking about HSA, servers and APU's that are joining the server market.
They are planning to go full APU in all the markets. Desktops and Servers included.
That's all folks. Honestly i am not kidding.

cadavecaWhich means nothing to me. Let me explain why.


Nearly all the staff at AMD back then(Phenom II days) are gone, and there is definitely a bunch of new faces on the executive side. While doing "the same old thing" may be OK with you, I do expect more from AMD under the new leadership, and things like not having enough chips to meet demand, as has happened recently with AMD, are just not acceptable.


AMD, at financial briefings, has more than once admitted they just simply cannot produce chips fast enough. They are selling each and every one. They might not be the best performance-wise, but they are in very high demand, for servers, desktops, and portable PCs. A company with such high demand must continually evolve in my books, and if they are just simply going to release the same chip they've been capable of making for the past 8 months, as shown by my own sample, then I fear for AMD's ability to capaitalize on the technology they have access to.


Like what you had, and what I have now...doesn't matter. Physical things. I do motherboard reviews, got a chip. Many other reviewers did too ,and they have posted reviews some time ago. But behind the scenes, there is far more to AMD than most consider, I think, and this may be part of AMD's downfall. They have morphed into being more transparent in what they do, but not enough.


Liek really, I think that this info that spawn this news posting should have been released by AMD themselves, directly, rather than by the channels it did. There's nothing for them to lose...as anyone expecting big gains from Piledriver is going to be sorely mistaken. AMD is talknig about Steamroller, now, because that's the really interesting chip..the rest of AMD's products are just biding time while they mint 'em. :p

I totally agree with you but i don't think Steamroller will bring much to the table.
Pretty much it will be the same thing in performance as Piledriver.
I am going to sound like a bad person but i really hope they fail soon to get over and done with this management at AMD. Its leading nowhere. I am afraid that this would be the final hit at AMD but this is where things lead to. I really hope AMD has one more chance at it but with other management and not the current one.

AvonXWell for your information i have a recent road map sitting right here on my pc.
There is no mention at all for desktop products. The only thing that it says its talking about HSA, servers and APU's that are joining the server market.
They are planning to go full APU in all the markets. Desktops and Servers included.
That's all folks. Honestly i am not kidding.

Read up on HSA, Amd's joint vision of the computing future(with the HSA foundation), then consider, in 4 years if every bit of software ran better using an on die Gpu(not going to happen i know but some killer apps will be this way by then for sure) then why on earth would Amd not use this feature on enthusiast parts as the top end part would be slower then a mid teir Apu at some tasks, and as has been said to you, INTEL ARE ALREADY DOING THIS( all intel cpus are likely fabbed WITH a gpu,and look at Knights corner it has gpu shader components incorporated) and to me it looks like they are on a similar wavelengh to Amd here, hope that clarity helps you figure this out a bit better

AvonXWell for your information i have a recent road map sitting right here on my pc.
There is no mention at all for desktop products. The only thing that it says its talking about HSA, servers and APU's that are joining the server market.
They are planning to go full APU in all the markets. Desktops and Servers included.
That's all folks. Honestly i am not kidding.

even if you do have this roadmap you havent attached / paintshopped yet, im starting to think you are just trolling people now , double postings a no no, edit your prior post.

oh and see my first comment,ie Enthusiast Cpu's will all have a gpu soon enough regardless of your short sighted opinion.


Or if your going to keep this stupid ass opinion then at least hate on Intel and Nvidia too, as Nvidias future Maxwell is a Gpu centric chip WITH a processor built in (allegged) and they deffinately are makeing project denver, essentially an Arm / kepler(afaik??) APU, intel are already onit as i said.

theoneandonlymrkRead up on HSA, Amd's joint vision of the computing future(with the HSA foundation), then consider, in 4 years if every bit of software ran better using an on die Gpu(not going to happen i know but some killer apps will be this way by then for sure) then why on earth would Amd not use this feature on enthusiast parts as the top end part would be slower then a mid teir Apu at some tasks, and as has been said to you, INTEL ARE ALREADY DOING THIS( all intel cpus are likely fabbed WITH a gpu,and look at Knights corner it has gpu shader components incorporated) and to me it looks like they are on a similar wavelengh to Amd here, hope that clarity helps you figure this out a bit better



even if you do have this roadmap you havent attached / paintshopped yet, im starting to think you are just trolling people now , double postings a no no, edit your prior post.

oh and see my first comment,ie Enthusiast Cpu's will all have a gpu soon enough regardless of your short sighted opinion.


Or if your going to keep this stupid ass opinion then at least hate on Intel and Nvidia too, as Nvidias future Maxwell is a Gpu centric chip WITH a processor built in (allegged) and they deffinately are makeing project denver, essentially an Arm / kepler(afaik??) APU, intel are already onit as i said.

Well that is your opinion, No hard feelings there.
I did not call you stupid, apparently you have.
There is no point and meaning discussing this with you any further.

AvonXWell that is your opinion, No hard feelings there.
I did not call you stupid, apparently you have.
There is no point and meaning discussing this with you any further.

I didnt mean to call you stupid , just your opinion , i have stupid opinions on some things:), i dont usually wish a company to fold completely due to them, either way no great offence ment.

also i was not giving an opinion, I was telling you what is going on now in the industry.

theoneandonlymrkI didnt mean to call you stupid , just your opinion , i have stupid opinions on some things:), i dont usually wish a company to fold completely due to them, either way no great offence ment.

also i was not giving an opinion, I was telling you what is going on now in the industry.

The industry might lead to where you are saying, but the core speed is not there for AMD to keep up with that, END of discussion.
Have a nice day ;)

AvonXI totally agree with you but i don't think Steamroller will bring much to the table.
Pretty much it will be the same thing in performance as Piledriver.
I am going to sound like a bad person but i really hope they fail soon to get over and done with this management at AMD. Its leading nowhere. I am afraid that this would be the final hit at AMD but this is where things lead to. I really hope AMD has one more chance at it but with other management and not the current one.

AMD has had changes in Management over the past year. Piledriver is what I call a stop gap because they are focusing on the steam roller currently, basically BD is a major lesson learned as previous products were beating it, they tried doing more with less but it didnt work out that way.

what i don't understand is what is sooooo wrong with building just a simple... BAD ASS CPU...

Stop with the gimmicks, your not fooling anyone, ESPECIALLY in the enthusiast market where we are... enthusiastsss. the concept of BD and PD cores are "cool" to an extent but what i really want is just raw power, stop playing games AMD, i want you to make the most efficient CORE that you can and throw 4-8 of them on a single chip. no cutting corners, no sharrrrring between "cores" just make a core as best you can and throw multiple on a chip and sell that bad boy! i'd buy 2 of em day one if they just did things the right way

sorry for the rant but it just doesn't make sense what they are doing... they are trying to compete with hyperthreading (a program essentially) by making twice the cores and then chopping out certain components, this just seems like a bad idea to begin with

ill still buy a PD when they release but only because i have a rock solid 990fx board and need an upgrade and can't afford the ridiculous prices of Intel

eidairaman1AMD has had changes in Management over the past year. Piledriver is what I call a stop gap because they are focusing on the steam roller currently, basically BD is a major lesson learned as previous products were beating it, they tried doing more with less but it didnt work out that way.

The problem is that they are still working less and nothing has really changed from the previous management. The lesson hasn't been learned unfortunately.
When you said about "less" the more proper word to use is "cheap". They decided to go cheap and that hasn't changed one bit.

AvonXThe problem is that they are still working less and nothing has really changed from the previous management. The lesson hasn't been learned unfortunately.
When you said about "less" the more proper word to use is "cheap". They decided to go cheap and that hasn't changed one bit.

have you actually ever used an Apu desktop variant, Im not all about AMD or anything but i will say ,in the real world where people surf, play games, and run 3dmark11 endlessly on ever more gfx, your straight wrong, and any cpu Amd does above a quad at 3 Ghz let alone 4 will play all games smoothly at reasonable fps and with xfire and sli configs decent results are possible, i went cheap check my rig, i dont have any issues gameing, and eagerly await the Fx8350, i just hope they dont keep selling out fast like bulldozer did initially, bye now im off to the real world:shadedshu

by the way your arguments are so random ,why bring up core speed, Amd have the fastest user stock frequency comercially available, and also a max cpu frequency world record, also the highest stock graphics frequency btw.

retort add nauseum:P

theoneandonlymrkhave you actually ever used an Apu desktop variant, Im not all about AMD or anything but i will say ,in the real world where people surf, play games, and run 3dmark11 endlessly on ever more gfx, your straight wrong, and any cpu Amd does above a quad at 3 Ghz let alone 4 will play all games smoothly at reasonable fps and with xfire and sli configs decent results are possible, i went cheap check my rig, i dont have any issues gameing, and eagerly await the Fx8350, i just hope they dont keep selling out fast like bulldozer did initially, bye now im off to the real world:shadedshu

by the way your arguments are so random ,why bring up core speed, Amd have the fastest user stock frequency comercially available, and also a max cpu frequency world record, also the highest stock graphics frequency btw.

I can see now where you are coming from. Let me ask you a question.
What is your current specs of your pc?
If you still have that 960T in your rig, why did you not upgrade to the fx series cpu? I know the answer but i was just curious. LoL
And what is the performance per clock ratio of that frequency you are talking about?
And you also forgot to mention how much power consumption those cpus have once they are overclocked.

Article posted yesterday showing roadmap: hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/44429-amd-steamroller-details-hot-chips-symposium/

erockerArticle posted yesterday showing roadmap: hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/44429-amd-steamroller-details-hot-chips-symposium/

I really like most of the stuff they do to improve the architecture. But darn, this really calls for a process shrink, and if that article to be believed, they plan not to do it for steamroller. :(