Is that what the retailer thinks or is this the actual thing?

Warning: Be prepared to sell a kidney to afford one.

AquinusWarning: Be prepared to sell a kidney to afford one.

Premium is not that much over comparable Dell/HP.

FourstaffPremium is not that much over comparable Dell/HP.

Yes, but you don't need to go with a vendor to legally obtain a tower if you go with a PC with Windows. In that case you can build it and not give HP or Dell (who has just been bought by Microsoft,) where you do with Apple. Granted skt2011 Xeons aren't cheap either.

Unless you get the Xeon E5-2620 though. Might only be 2Ghz (2.5Ghz turbo), but it's 6-core with hyper-threading with a 95-watt TDP for ~400 USD.

AquinusYes, but you don't need to go with a vendor to legally obtain a tower if you go with a PC with Windows. In that case you can build it and not give HP or Dell (who has just been bought by Microsoft,) where you do with Apple. Granted skt2011 Xeons aren't cheap either.

Unless you get the Xeon E5-2620 though. Might only be 2Ghz (2.5Ghz turbo), but it's 6-core with hyper-threading with a 95-watt TDP for ~400 USD.

Always cheaper when you can build it yourself, providing for 200 is a bit harder.

Fourstaffproviding for 200 is a bit harder.

I don't think there are that many companies that would be considering buying 200 Mac Pros. Maybe laptops and Mac Minis, but the price tag on the Pro is simply way too high to buy in that kind of volume if your watching your budget. Doesn't sound like a wise business purchase. I doubt every employee needs that kind of power either.

FourstaffPremium is not that much over comparable Dell/HP.

Huh? I'm looking at prices now. I can either get a MacPro with a 3.2ghz, 8 mb cache, 1st gen i7, 6 gig RAM, and a HD5770 for $2500 or a Dell Alienware X51 with a 3770, 8gigs of RAM, and a GTX 660 for $1150. The premium is rediculous.

AquinusI don't think there are that many companies that would be considering buying 200 Mac Pros. Maybe laptops and Mac Minis, but the price tag on the Pro is simply way too high to buy in that kind of volume if your watching your budget. Doesn't sound like a wise business purchase. I doubt every employee needs that kind of power either.

Even if its 30 you will be dedicating quite a lot of space, time and effort which can probably be better spent elsewhere.

Barbaricsoul,

you are comparing a Mac with xeon processor and ECC memory to a regular 3770 without ECC.

Also, due for updates which might change things a bit. Always better to buy cheaper stuff, but for those who cares about looks or image there is always Mac.

FourstaffEven if its 30 you will be dedicating quite a lot of space, time and effort which can probably be better spent elsewhere.

You gotta look from a corporation's perspective. Hardware is cheaper than salary. Apple's propriety standards are closed and therefore less problems with compatibility. Where I work, you can choose to have apple or pc from any major manufacturer. IT support is rarely called for apple mac pros while there's constant problems with PCs equivalent. Yes! PC equivalent probably cost 40% less but an average IT support tech around here is over $80k/year.

In the end, mac pros are limited to what they can do but PCs are not. So if they have everything they need with the mac, the overall cost is actually much less.

No, I'm comparing what is available from Apple and what is available from Dell.


BTW, that 3770 outperforms that Xeon, ECC memory or not.

Apart from the fact that this will be priced for 3-5x the price for an equivalent non-Apple product, who actually wants to buy Mac OS for high-end equipment? I mean... from my personal experience I've seen Autodesk products becoming slowly compatible with macs but half the options are missing due to poor software support from apple. Does photo-editing (or other) programs fully work and perform at least as fast on a Mac as on a Windows PC with equivalent specs (taking out the price factor).

Ummm... you don't have to have a mac to be a media pro...

Tons of Trance Djs use windows PCs... Xtigma, Bass-t (and also his label Planet-Punk), Pulsedriver, Accuface, Thomas Petersen, and a few others... Universal studios uses Linux and Windows PCs. Pixar used SGI IRIX (Now they use Linux)

BarbaricSoulNo, I'm comparing what is available from Apple and what is available from Dell.


BTW, that 3770 outperforms that Xeon, ECC memory or not.

In what? typical desktop environment yes. Do you not understand the difference between server grade parts and consumer parts?

I'm not defending apple here but you're comparing apples to oranges lol(unintentional pun)

I guess there's no convincing you here. Maybe workstations should arm themselves with GTX series instead of Quadro.

My system would be 4000 if it were a mac... I paid 800 even.

BarbaricSoulNo, I'm comparing what is available from Apple and what is available from Dell.


BTW, that 3770 outperforms that Xeon, ECC memory or not.

You are comparing a gaming platform to a workstation. If you want to compare realistically, add premium support (on site), two high end CPU's, at least 32GB RAM, some high end GPU's (Quadro/Firepro) and start look at general build quality and watch the premium shrink.

KaynarApart from the fact that this will be priced for 3-5x the price for an equivalent non-Apple product, who actually wants to buy Mac OS for high-end equipment? I mean... from my personal experience I've seen Autodesk products becoming slowly compatible with macs but half the options are missing due to poor software support from apple. Does photo-editing (or other) programs fully work and perform at least as fast on a Mac as on a Windows PC with equivalent specs (taking out the price factor).

Overexaggeration! I fully agree Macs are overpriced but it is not 3-5x overpriced!!!!!!

too much fanboyism and ignorance. Macs are not good at everything but they do have decent software for media work like Final Cut Pro. It's actually widely used by professionals in the industry.

Come on guys, let's be subjective here.

Macs are 30-50% overpriced for the same spec. The thing saving them is their simplicity, aesthetic design, build quality and marketing.

For an enthusiast and someone who knows their ways around a computer, you can save massive $$$ by building your own pc and troubleshoot problems yourself. What you think is just minor problems(eg. hardware compatibility, software updates, etc...) are major problems to most people who don't care/know much about those things. They just want their computer to work so they can use it without headaches.
The existence of geeksquad and similar services should tell you that.

remixedcatMy system would be 4000 if it were a mac... I paid 800 even.

looking through your system....no it wouldn't even be close to 4k if it was a mac.

FrickYou are comparing a gaming platform to a workstation. If you want to compare realistically, add premium support (on site), two high end CPU's, at least 32GB RAM, some high end GPU's (Quadro/Firepro) and start look at general build quality and watch the premium shrink.

I will do that later for you.... but ecc ram is dirt cheap.
The base is overpriced... the margins do get slightly more narrow in comparison with the other vendors... but the gap between what you can build vs them... does not.

Right now its cheaper to get a dual cpu SB-E HP red workstation over a decked out Mac Pro... and the HP would run circles around it in every aspect.

As for building stuff yourself.... I have built a 4p g34 rig for < 2k ...

PatriotI will do that later for you.... but ecc ram is dirt cheap.
The base is overpriced... the margins do get slightly more narrow in comparison with the other vendors... but the gap between what you can build vs them... does not.

Right now its cheaper to get a dual cpu SB-E HP red workstation over a decked out Mac Pro... and the HP would run circles around it in every aspect.

As for building stuff yourself.... I have built a 4p g34 rig for < 2k ...

Of course it'll be cheaper to build yourself, but it's not always people have the time for it. And workstations often have to work, so you should also take a close look at how breakdown would be handled where you live, hence the premium support. Sometimes Apple Care might be a better option than HP or Dell. And if you build it yourself with parts from Newegg, can you afford to loose the time it would take to RMA the motherboard, or any other critical component?

But all is moot anyway if they don't update the Mac Pro soon. It really is pretty outdated, so now it's the worse option no matter how you look at it. IMO.

PatriotRight now its cheaper to get a dual cpu SB-E HP red workstation over a decked out Mac Pro... and the HP would run circles around it in every aspect.

I can't believe you manage to ignore the fact that Mac Pro severely needs an update right now :eek:

Maybe I'm behind on the news but what local regulations (doesn't seem very local if it's all of Europe) caused the Mac Pros to be pulled off store shelves?

ITT:
Apple haters trying to evangelize custom building.


The #1 reason for a company paying premium for a Mac Pro, is SOFTWARE, not hardware.
Anyway, most companies are buying minis instead. Much better performance/price ratio.

BeertintedgogglesMaybe I'm behind on the news but what local regulations (doesn't seem very local if it's all of Europe) caused the Mac Pros to be pulled off store shelves?

Its Europe, if cat hair was found in your office toilet the entire block will be sealed and marked for Hazmat squad.