Its bandwidth is lower than the 3770k and 2700k, I wonder why that is?

So there is really no reason to upgrade from ivy bridge? Unless the overclocking potential is there..... or you want to use the stock on board GPU. Disappointing so far Intel disappointing. I hope things improve a little before real release.

I don't trust Tom's for anything....I can't wait to see real tests done at sites like this one and Anandtech...

I'll just wait for Skylake. I'm pretty confident that my Core i7 920 will be enough till then. In the meanwhile i hope AMD will make a breakthrough so i'll have more options...

Surprised Tom's got it again. Thought they'd go back to Anandtech.

Going by these numbers, you could upgrade only if you're coming from i5-750.

btarunrGoing by these numbers, you could upgrade only if you're coming from i5-750.

LOL yeah, a GPU upgrade is more 'effective' in my case.

btarunrGoing by these numbers, you could upgrade only if you're coming from i5-750.

Exactly i am kindly of excited as i have been using Q6600 since almost 6 years. :)

20mmrainSo there is really no reason to upgrade from ivy bridge? Unless the overclocking potential is there..... or you want to use the stock on board GPU. Disappointing so far Intel disappointing. I hope things improve a little before real release.

Why? It's not like this was unexpected. They been saying for a while that Haswell wasn't going to be a big performance boost over IB or SB. It's only suppose to be more power efficent. I'm actually a little surprised it's giving as performance boost as it is. I was expecting it to be the same as IB and about 10% better than SB performance wise.

It looks like a lot of these benchmarks that shows huge gains are mostly from the HD4600. CPU wise, not much has changed in performance.

Ugh...whatever it's tom's hardware.

Its not too bad. Toms must be using a pre-production 1150 motherboard as well as an engineering sample CPU. A little tuning could improve things plus we get bclk overclocking back(as well as mutli) and 6 sata 6GB/s ports/USB 3 ports.

The RAID crowd will much appreciate 6 Intel sata 6GB/s ports so they don't have to use dodgy third party controllers.

If it overclocks easily to 5Ghz on low voltage could be a real winner.

Title sums it all up nicely.

Expected results, Haswell is all about power consumption and new instructions.

Enough with that integrated graphics bullshit !

WE STILL CONTINUE BUYING DEDICATED GRAPHICS CARD !!!

soldered or tim?

Boring... I am still sitting on my LGA1366...

Till DDR4 invasion there is no sense spending money... gosh AMD give some competition to Intel in this hideous plan of consumer robbery.

intel Haswell

i expected a better performance....

Lucifer666i expected a better performance....

But but but intel improved the integrated graphics. That's what everybody wanted wasnt it? right? RIGHT?! Nobody buys a GPU with a 3770k nowadays right?

I expected nothing less than this.

Idk why everyone is complaining, 7-13% ipc improvement is pretty significant, with the higher number in floating point workloads, remember this is at the same clockspeed. And haswell is supposed to bring better efficiency and probably higher clockspeed at the same tdp as u scale down to mobile. Now im an amd fan but its only fair that we keep unbiased, piledriver brought similar improvement over bulldozer with ipc and clockspeed combined, and with CPUs to get more than 15% bump in ipc is one year is almost impossible, the only reason u previously saw better improvements is because when first Gen i7s came out most had i7 920 clocked at like 2.6ghz, but after 3-4ghz scaling becomes worse even on smaller nodes. Now with steamroller we might expect more improvement than 15% but only because bulldozer had many obvious faults but hardly the case with ivy
Now the best thing Intel can do going forward is either bring more cores to the mainstream, or redesign the pipelines with more stages to scale at higher clockspeeds

I don't remember, did everyone complain like this about Ivy?

LAN_deRf_HAI don't remember, did everyone complain like this about Ivy?

It was even worse, because everyone thought that Ivy was a new architecture but in reality it's only a tweaked SB.

Never the less, the first chart (almost 2x vs 2700k) is pretty impressive ihmo, especially that things will probably improve further after some compiler optimization will be added for the new processor.

BarbaricSoulThey been saying for a while that Haswell wasn't going to be a big performance boost over IB or SB.

Because they are waiting for AMD to catch up so they can have Benchmark competition fun once again :rolleyes:;)

LAN_deRf_HAI don't remember, did everyone complain like this about Ivy?

Yes of course they did but it's mostly the yearly update performance crowd which is fair enough I spose.
Intel have done it again. Not much more but tempting for some

LAN_deRf_HASurprised Tom's got it again. Thought they'd go back to Anandtech.

Nope, they did not, anandtech is a trashcan.