Thursday, August 1st 2013

AMD Posts Catalyst 13.8 Beta, Fixes CrossFire Frame Latency

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In the run up to the big Catalyst driver update AMD promised, that fixes frame latency issues on Graphics CoreNext-based GPUs, AMD posted Catalyst 13.8 beta, which addresses frame-pacing issues on CrossFire configuration, which minimizes the micro-stuttering issues some CrossFire configurations are notorious for. The driver includes a fix that ensures frames generated by member GPUs of a CrossFire configuration are displayed in an even and regular pace, so there's no micro-stuttering. This fix can be enabled through Catalyst Control Center, on a per-application basis. It supports games that use DirectX 11 and DirectX 10 APIs, running at resolutions of up to 2560 x 1600 pixels.

Next up, Catalyst 13.8 beta includes full support for the OpenGL 4.3 API. You can now create application profiles within Catalyst Control Center for OpenGL applications, and CAP updates will now be issued for such apps. The only performance-improvement you get with this driver, are for Metro: Last Light. Radeon HD 7000 series GPUs get up to 7 percent performance improvement on the game. Lastly, a nifty new feature addition for Enduro shows which apps are active on the discrete-GPU, and which on the integrated/low-power GPU.

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81 Comments on AMD Posts Catalyst 13.8 Beta, Fixes CrossFire Frame Latency

#51
erocker
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manofthemJust started playing Tomb Raider (I know I'm late to the party yet again, as I always am with these games), and I can say that it ran beautifully, super smooth. It looked amazing, buttery smooth, no crashes, crossfire strong. :)

That's another thing about this driver: it not only helped FC3 run smoothly, but I haven't had a single crash since installing. With the old driver, I would literally crash once a day, sometimes more. (again, this issue was with FC3 only; everything else ran nicely)




However...

Anyone else with crossfire noticing their second card not clocking down while idle? This is strange because right now, card 1 is 300/150 0% load where it should be, but card 2 is at 925/1375 99% load, and this is at idle....... Off to reboot and see what happens, maybe even a driver reinstall.
I think I read on another forum that ULPS was borked. I always turn it off so I haven't noticed the issue.
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#52
manofthem
WCG-TPU Team All-Star!
erockerI think I read on another forum that ULPS was borked. I always turn it off so I haven't noticed the issue.
Ah, that could be it then, though not sure why it would report 99%. I used to disable ULPS when it caused crashes, but I haven't lately. I'll be checking that our later
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#54
manofthem
WCG-TPU Team All-Star!
erockerI think I read on another forum that ULPS was borked. I always turn it off so I haven't noticed the issue.
So I get home and try to load GPUz and the pc freezes and crashes, having to hard reset.

So I regedit disable ULPS, reboot, and retry it all. GPUz opens without issue again, so you were very right. Also, disabling ULPS seems to have solved the issue of it running at 99% load all the time; it appears to be in good shape.
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#55
radrok
erockerI think I read on another forum that ULPS was borked. I always turn it off so I haven't noticed the issue.
Yeah it has always given me problems, especially when overclocking in crossfire.

It's best to have it turned off :toast:
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#56
Jstn7477
Does ULPS have a bad effect on dual GPU setups regardless of Crossfire being Enabled or Available? I pulled my 7950 out and the PC runs normally with just the 7970, but with either of my 7950s installed with it, it hard locks within 5-10 minutes regardless of the type of 3D load applied. The first 7950 I tried would start at 1100MHz, bounce between 500-1100MHz after 2 minutes and the PC would freeze. Second card won't POST as the primary (b2 post code), but works as a secondary card and doesn't throttle during the game, but system still locks up at the same time it normally does.
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#57
erocker
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Jstn7477Does ULPS have a bad effect on dual GPU setups regardless of Crossfire being Enabled or Available? I pulled my 7950 out and the PC runs normally with just the 7970, but with either of my 7950s installed with it, it hard locks within 5-10 minutes regardless of the type of 3D load applied. The first 7950 I tried would start at 1100MHz, bounce between 500-1100MHz after 2 minutes and the PC would freeze. Second card won't POST as the primary (b2 post code), but works as a secondary card and doesn't throttle during the game, but system still locks up at the same time it normally does.
It could, try disabling it.
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#58
drdeathx
fullinfusionYes they are. But it's just a benchmark... Gaming is imo what counts.



Ok let me ask with out insult... whats so great about the useless post hmmm?
Ditto with yours:nutkick:
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#59
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
manofthemSo I get home and try to load GPUz and the pc freezes and crashes, having to hard reset.

So I regedit disable ULPS, reboot, and retry it all. GPUz opens without issue again, so you were very right. Also, disabling ULPS seems to have solved the issue of it running at 99% load all the time; it appears to be in good shape.
Thats weird, your second card is always at 99% load even idling in windows?

I have sapphire trixx installed/ well just uninstalled it. My second card would spin up when in the browser.
Id close windows and still the fan would spin. Anyways after removing Trix now the second card is off unless I open a browser but then shuts down when I close it. But no activity with trix installed or not.

And I didnt disable ulps in trixx neither. I run AB, seems more reliable with shit like that.
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#60
manofthem
WCG-TPU Team All-Star!
fullinfusionThats weird, your second card is always at 99% load even idling in windows?
It was, yes. No matter what, always at 99%. But after a reinstall, and disabling ulps, it fixed it, pretty sure. I'm actually reinstalling again because after I had the 13.4 again today, I think some parts were left over or something, as FC3 wasn't as smooth.

So I'm checking into it, a full sweep again.
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#61
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
manofthemIt was, yes. No matter what, always at 99%. But after a reinstall, and disabling ulps, it fixed it, pretty sure. I'm actually reinstalling again because after I had the 13.4 again today, I think some parts were left over or something, as FC3 wasn't as smooth.

So I'm checking into it, a full sweep again.
Windows 7 or 8?
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#62
manofthem
WCG-TPU Team All-Star!
fullinfusionWindows 7 or 8?
Windows 8. I think it's good now. After a few reinstalls, and disabling ULPS, and rebooting, it seems to be working as it should for now. I'll keep an eye on it. :rockout:
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#63
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
manofthemWindows 8. I think it's good now. After a few reinstalls, and disabling ULPS, and rebooting, it seems to be working as it should for now. I'll keep an eye on it. :rockout:
Where do you go to change it in the reg?
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#64
manofthem
WCG-TPU Team All-Star!
ULPS? I just search for "enableulps" and change 1 to 0
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#65
ThE_MaD_ShOt
I think I will give these drivers a go a later date. I ran them for about an hour or today gaming and check the gpu temps. 95c :wtf: :twitch: That kinda scared me so I went back to the 13.4's. Temps went down to 80c.
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#66
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
manofthemULPS? I just search for "enableulps" and change 1 to 0
Ha found a easier way HERE just shut your virus scanner off.. its a false positive.
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#67
drdeathx
fullinfusionHa found a easier way HERE just shut your virus scanner off.. its a false positive.
Same thing as man was telling you/ Thanks for the PM BTW. Just a matter of time!
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#68
Jstn7477
Solved my Crossfire problems. My Gigabyte 7950 Windforce is toast, it won't POST in any machine now but if you use it as a slave adapter, it "works" but eventually freezes because I guess the chip is bad (when I purchased it, it had 1.250v vcore out of the box). I put the XFX back in, disabled ULPS and turned up the voltage to 1.175v for 1050/1500 and I was able to play Tomb Raider for over an hour with great FPS (80-150). I'll see if I can get both cards back up to the 1100-1150MHz range, but I'm just glad this setup works now. Hopefully this Gigabyte RMA I have to do now doesn't suck.
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#69
linoliveira
ThE_MaD_ShOtI think I will give these drivers a go a later date. I ran them for about an hour or today gaming and check the gpu temps. 95c :wtf: :twitch: That kinda scared me so I went back to the 13.4's. Temps went down to 80c.
It happens to me also, but my XFX card is so buggy (don't know why) that the fan goes mad every driver/OS change.
In the experiments I have done, two things can happen. Or the fan doesn't spin higher at higher temps and stays at 50% all time or it spins higher at higher temps but too slow to compensate the heat produced.
That said, to solve this issue I disabled Overdrive in CCC and made a custom fan profile in MSI Afterburner.
The first time my card got to 87ºC I just had enough... made a custom fan profile and now I'm good with temps around 70ºC, no need to change drivers.
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#71
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
drdeathxSame thing as man was telling you/ Thanks for the PM BTW. Just a matter of time!
Oh shit thanks for reminding me. I pm'd you over your post on another site calling us all a bunch of tpu tards! Plus I see you changed your post, but luck has It the forum shows a date and time of the change you made. To bad you cant change the title but at least you tried to cover your tracks to look less of an ..... any ways I feel insulted a fellow member would post such a rude comment. If you don't like this place then whats keeping you here?

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#72
ThE_MaD_ShOt
linoliveiraIt happens to me also, but my XFX card is so buggy (don't know why) that the fan goes mad every driver/OS change.
In the experiments I have done, two things can happen. Or the fan doesn't spin higher at higher temps and stays at 50% all time or it spins higher at higher temps but too slow to compensate the heat produced.
That said, to solve this issue I disabled Overdrive in CCC and made a custom fan profile in MSI Afterburner.
The first time my card got to 87ºC I just had enough... made a custom fan profile and now I'm good with temps around 70ºC, no need to change drivers.
With mine the fans are hitting 100% and temps are in the 90's
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#73
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
Frag ManiacJust installed these. Does it do anything for single GPU, or does it only smooth out X-Fire?

After reading HardwareHeaven's bench review on these, it doesn't look too promising, at least not on key titles they tested that are known for frame latency issues. Can anyone confirm this?

www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1804/pg1/amd-catalyst-138-beta-review-frame-pacing-fix-full-article.html
sounds like the reviewer didnt understand what he was testing. he goes on about overall FPS and frames being lower, well no shit. its about smooth out micro stutter, not total FPS.
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#74
linoliveira
ThE_MaD_ShOtWith mine the fans are hitting 100% and temps are in the 90's
Oh that is a different story then.
It would be nice if someone using this driver with X-Fire can confirm the overheating you are experiencing.
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#75
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
My cards runner hotter then normal if left on auto but if set manually to 40% then they top out around 62c. On auto the fans ramp up but no where around 100%

I'd almost bet amd will have another beta driver out later on in the week to come.
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