micropage7yeah, i just think the same, why dont they just max like 4gb with better technology to keep the data better than boosting to 6gb

Your point isn't lost but,....

Typically people have to pay for specific features. For example, if you want a fast drive you buy a smallish SSD for comparatively higher prices. If you want capacity you buy a comparatively larger 4TB HDD that costs more then a 1TB HDD. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason to think that a more durable and reliable HDDs wouldn't simply be another feature you pay for with respect to cheaper standard reliability HDDs.

I am sure there are a lot of people and organizations that would be happy to pay more for a more reliable HDD with a longer life but by the same token there would be a lot of people unwilling to pay more for something that can be so intangible (at least for a few years). Then there is always the unavoidable issue of bad hardware so one could pay a premium for a HDD that still went bad prematurely. So ultimately one would really be paying for longer likely service from the HDD and warranty period (maybe free data recovery).

But how much would one be willing to pay for supposedly longer HDD life / reliability,.....?

Would you pay $400 USD for that 4TB HDD,.....?

How about ~$600 USD,.....?

More,....?

If not why would the manufacturer bother even attempting to provide a superior product if people and organizations aren't willing to pay more for it,....?

So what happened to those WD 6TB drives? They said they started shipping 2 months ago.

Guys, I did some research last year about those high failure rates. Some people said those Seagate drives are not all made at the same factory. I checked and it is indeed true. There were 2 versions of the same drives. You gotta check if it's made in China or Thailand. I believe the Thailand one is the good one. The China one has massive failure rates that made the whole SKU look bad overall. I went to Micro Center and they were having a massive sale on those drives. 2 pallets, 1 was all the China version and 1 was the Thailand version. I noticed people picked up the Thailand version more.

HopelesslyFaithfulwhy have more than 500GB...

Because customers prefer disk space... Simple.

You should think about it, maybe you're one of them.

Just my opinion.

I don't bother backing up no more. Shit happens.

6TB is a lot to back up though, maybe buy two and use the second as a backup, but what if that sods up. That's the trouble with having such big storage. I only have 2TB for storage, so have nothing to back it up on anyway.

silapakornI doubt this is a good news coming from the company with highest failure rates across their various products.

That is a Myth and those results were tampered with. It has been proven time and time again that failure rates between Seagate and WD are nearly identical down to the 1%.

DaveKI saw Linus mention the quarterly drive failures of the big companies on the WAN Show and Seagate had the largest of them all, I don't have a source link for that though.

Then if you watched it you would have listened and said that many of the tests that they did were conducted improperly and the hard drives weren't in their original casings and in huge server racks where temperatures vary widely.

Blue-KnightBecause customers prefer disk space... Simple.

You should think about it, maybe you're one of them.

Just my opinion.

i was responding to someone sarcastically...reread the thread.

HopelesslyFaithfuli was responding to someone sarcastically...

Then please use the "[sarcasm][/sarcasm]" bbcode next time, I cannot read your mind.

Happy New Year!

GalasHow can you mistake a gb for a TB?

People constantly doing this triggers my OCD badly.

Makes it easy to gauge the veracity of their posts - anyone who can't keep this straight, you can safely ignore. Same with people who can't spell or do simple math...

HoodMakes it easy to gauge the veracity of their posts - anyone who can't keep this straight, you can safely ignore. Same with people who can't spell or do simple math...

if you can't figure it out what they ment than you shouldnt be online and if you piss yourself over something that trivial than you have worse problems on your hands

HopelesslyFaithfulif you can't figure it out what they ment than you shouldnt be online and if you piss yourself over something that trivial than you have worse problems on your hands

I agree. Maybe they just had a brain fart, or typed it wrong.

HoodMakes it easy to gauge the veracity of their posts - anyone who can't keep this straight, you can safely ignore. Same with people who can't spell or do simple math...

@Hood, why would you automatically assume someone should be ignored because a single letter is wrong in their post. Should we do the same for people who can't properly form a complete sentence? (as seen in bold above)

I'll take 8 please. My 12TB of server space is starting to get full. I could handle 30TB with a RAID6 and a spare.

FX-GMCMaybe they just had a brain fart, or typed it wrong.

The worst problem is that some people never fix it, even when they know it is incorrect. That's a "fertile ground" for misunderstandings and unnecessary discussions like this.

FX-GMCwhy would you automatically assume someone should be ignored because a single letter is wrong in their post. Should we do the same for people who can't properly form a complete sentence?

A wrong sentence is common, especially for those who do not have English as their native language. An intentionally incorrect word is another thing, everyone can avoid it easily...

But many people are just too lazy as I see. That's simple and would make the reading a lot better...

Unfortunately, not everybody really cares about it. Just my opinion.

Happy New Year!

Blue-KnightThe worst problem is that some people never fix it, even when they know it is incorrect. That's a "fertile ground" for misunderstandings and unnecessary discussions like this.


A wrong sentence is common, especially for those who do not have English as their native language. An intentionally incorrect word is another thing, everyone can avoid it easily...

But many people are just too lazy as I see. That's simple and would make the reading a lot better...

Unfortunately, not everybody really cares about it. Just my opinion.

Happy New Year!

I didn't know you were @Hood.

FX-GMCI didn't know you were @Hood.

But now you should know.

silapakornI doubt this is a good news coming from the company with highest failure rates across their various products.

Are you talking about the Blackblaze stadistics? The only useful info that you can take for home use is "don't use Green drives for NAS applications". A desktop user won't ever put their HDDs through the same stress than a cloud server enviroment would. The very same report even says that:

Remember, these drives are putting in some serious overtime that your PC would likely never see.

www.pcworld.com/article/2089464/three-year-27-000-drive-study-reveals-the-most-reliable-hard-drive-makers.html

Also, you have to take into account what a "drive failure" means to them. To them a drive failure is when a drive fails to respond to RAID commands (those have a timeout). A drive that starts up from sleep will fail these sooner or later but doesn't necesarily mean that the drive has gone bad, just that its spin up time has increased which is kind of normal considering that these green drives would spin down and up hundreds of times on a daily basis causing wear and tear to the motors.

Where I feel this thread has gone.







A dead drive with 1.24Mb is just as bad as a dead drive with 6TB, if you aren't smart enough to backup then you get what you deserve. Vroom vroom.

It's funny people mention Seagate as unreliable. Where i live, 7400.14 yielded 100-150% (half to third the amount of failures) of WD B\R\B\G drives.

FX-GMCI agree. Maybe they just had a brain fart, or typed it wrong.



@Hood, why would you automatically assume someone should be ignored because a single letter is wrong in their post. Should we do the same for people who can't properly form a complete sentence? (as seen in bold above)

It's not about the single letter, it's about the idea of a million vs a billion. People on forums use abbreviations, acronyms, slang, short-talk, ALL CAPS, all lower case, common misspellings, no punctuation, etc., and I understand their point. The confusion begins when the basic concept is altered by using wrong terms or figures, like when people say their internet download speed is "27 Megabytes per second" when it's really 27 megabits per second, or about 3.3 Megabytes per second, because they don't really understand the concept of bits, bytes, kilobytes, megabytes, gigabytes, and terabytes, or MiB and GiB for that matter. This is not a typo or brain fart, it's a lack of understanding. I would definitely hesitate to take technical advice from such a person. That doesn't make them a bad person, or stupid, just misinformed or sloppy in their thinking. And yes, I was in the same state of ignorance at one time, as we all were once. but at least I try to learn about what I don't understand instead of just spouting off about something I read somewhere but didn't really understand. Oh, what the hell, we're all guilty of taking shortcuts at times, and I'm sure I have done the same. Never mind...

6TB is so 2006, give me 17 Gorillabytes for the 29th expansion for WoW. I pray they never make it past 5.

Are they still releasing expansion packs for that game?? =)))

btw, any word on the price yet?

Dj-ElectriCIt's funny people mention Seagate as unreliable. Where i live, 7400.14 yielded 100-150% (half to third the amount of failures) of WD B\R\B\G drives.

I find it funny when people complain about reliability when the HDD is the most common part on any machine to fail. I'll agree, I've received a good amount of DOAs from WD, but once I get the replacement back, it lives practically forever.

GalasHow can you mistake a gb for a TB?

People constantly doing this triggers my OCD badly.

HoodMakes it easy to gauge the veracity of their posts - anyone who can't keep this straight, you can safely ignore. Same with people who can't spell or do simple math...

HoodIt's not about the single letter, it's about the idea of a million vs a billion. People on forums use abbreviations, acronyms, slang, short-talk, ALL CAPS, all lower case, common misspellings, no punctuation, etc., and I understand their point. The confusion begins when the basic concept is altered by using wrong terms or figures, like when people say their internet download speed is "27 Megabytes per second" when it's really 27 megabits per second, or about 3.3 Megabytes per second, because they don't really understand the concept of bits, bytes, kilobytes, megabytes, gigabytes, and terabytes, or MiB and GiB for that matter. This is not a typo or brain fart, it's a lack of understanding. I would definitely hesitate to take technical advice from such a person. That doesn't make them a bad person, or stupid, just misinformed or sloppy in their thinking. And yes, I was in the same state of ignorance at one time, as we all were once. but at least I try to learn about what I don't understand instead of just spouting off about something I read somewhere but didn't really understand. Oh, what the hell, we're all guilty of taking shortcuts at times, and I'm sure I have done the same. Never mind...

guys GUYS... (including the others i didnt quote), i wrote that at almost 7am in a hurry before sleeping, i'm constantly writing GB when talking about game sizes or ram, it really was a habit by accident!

it's true that i cant stand people making mistakes that change the meaning as well, there vs their vs they're for example

but given that i still had the correct number 6 & this thread is entirely about the new 6TB drives, along with the fact that i'm not a new user & run the catalyst profiles list, more signs simply point to it being a typo than an ignorant failure like MByte vs Mbit

so just say 'you mean TB :slap:' & be done with it, it's embarrassing enough when i spot the typo without others constantly pointing it out

(now that i look at it again, i mentioned 20gb games right after '6gb' hard drives, kinda obvious that 6gb is not what i meant :fear:)