I like this picture the most:
This guy has got a key fob of an R480(?) in plastic. LOL. He obviously likes *playing* with chips. An ideal psychological profile of a GPU spoofer. Notice how the picture is taken on his kitchen table with the blue plastic wipe-clean cover. Typical of a taiwan kitchen. And the real photos are only with a piece of cardboard, not the "real R600" chip. LOL.
XooMshow me somebody who could fake something half that good. just half. i bet you can't.
have you seen any movies since 1998.....anything can be done with computers...now im not saying this is all FAKE....but somethings just dont seem right...it could be the new chip for ati or it could be an old chip from ati...like lemon said a couple of posts ago "fake shadows" if you are looking at the chip straight on then why do you see the top edge of the chip as if the chip were leaning towards you from the top, but the shadows say its leaning the top away from you...
Notice the photos? It's the same fuzzy white background as the "R600" pictures, only this time, he isn't so careful. You can see that:
ITS A WHITE TOWEL!!!!! LOL :laugh:
I do give the guy 9.9/10 for a job well done. He fooled some of you. Basically, he's just a PC tweaker that likes footling with his hardware. So actually, he's one of us. LOL. :respect:
ya...how would this guy get the first of the new r600s anyhow...and that maybe the same backdrop he shot the pics for the r600 on....would be cool if they were real tho..
and as for this being CG, i damn well better know what CG looks like; I've been a 3D artist for, oh, 3 or 4 years now and i can *almost* always spot a 3D model, and this most certainly does not look like one.
I frankly don't care if its real or fake, i just have to play the devil's advocate to some pathetically weak arguments.
If you look at his other photos on said towel, many have similarly "impossible" shadows as this core shot.
It may indeed be a fake and not an R600, but whatever it is, it certainly is a real chip, not a 3D rendering.
I've been a 3D artist for, oh, 3 or 4 years now and i can *almost* always spot a 3D model, QUOTE]
thanks for your resume.....
XooMi just have to play the devil's advocate to some pathetically weak arguments.QUOTE]
you seem to be taking this a bit personal....its just some pictures....getting worked up like that is really what's pathetic....only time will tell us if they are real of fake...
if this is fake that guy most own at modeling or photoshop, one or the other. and the design of the gpu itself is really strange compared to any other ati design. plus its missing the normal ATI logo thats usually there. oh well. we'll find out later i guess...
Well they didn't teach you very well, there's NO flash in any of the pictures =) Ever heard of two! lights in a same room ;o (think a football/soccer match, people have 4 shadows there) GPU:s are pain in the butt to take pictures with a flash. Here is what happens:
GPU reflect the flash like crazy and acts like a mirror if you photograph it straight on. (sorry, deleted the totally reflective unreadable ones already)
With an angle and it's fine, but have to use flash, because I don't have bright lights in room.
(those heatsinks were hard work with a hacksaw, so no dissing :D)
ps. text isn't in a straight line with the GPU edge even in my card, and if you say (lemonadesoda) I editet AS5 smudge to the picture and it's fake also, I thank you very much, wish I was that good :)
W2hCYKthis is accomplished by using 2 flashes, on both sides of the object. The photo looks real to me. I sense no falseness in it.
Having 2 high powered flashes would definitely put a difference in lighting between dark and light areas, on both sides.
learning photography, and we discussed different types of flash types, this was one of them.
You don't even need to do photography to suspect that this sort of shadow could be caused by two angled light sources. Like when you watch football with floodlights, there are 4 shadows in different directions.
Edit: but I don't care if it's real or not. I care about how the real thing performs and what its price is.
the green line is straight but the yellow line is angled...all the other pics show the text being square to the chip...if that were true then the text would follow the yellow line instead it's straight.....could be a real chip but i think the text on it maybe fake...
Learn to calculate before you are going to hunt fakes...
there is how it should be done and it shows no fakes...
P.S. pitty my camera's battery is recharging atm, i just took my vga card package to a room with dual lightning, and guess what, it has almost completely same shadows as that picture describet, only the edges are wider due to box being thicker...
Perspective is what causes the lines to appear un-parallel. Like when you look at two train lines running into the distance, it looks like they are getting closer.
ShyskaLearn to calculate before you are going to hunt fakes...
do you understand that this is just a forum and did you read everything i wrote??.....you should...im not saying its fake or real just offering thoughts...
never the less watch what you say to people in this forum...dont tell people "you need to learn" that is really rude...
try to be more adult next time please....and just offer your thoughts...being rude like that wont get you anywhere at TPU and will make people look past your posts.....
Someone up above drove lines and "showed" that there is no perspective in the photo, i just showed there actualy IS perspective, and quite accurate one, I whould like to see a persoon who could pull out such a fake... no way it isn't real...
ATIoniondo you understand that this is just a forum and did you read everything i wrote??.....you should...im not saying its fake or real just offering thoughts...
never the less watch what you say to people in this forum...dont tell people "you need to learn" that is really rude...
try to be more adult next time please....and just offer your thoughts...being rude like that wont get you anywhere at TPU and will make people look past your posts.....
Well, sorry if it sounded rude to you. But I believe that if you says something in the liens you did, you should be familiar with the topic - in this case really understand how perspective works.
Oh and i would really be ashamed of posting that, if I didn't follow with explanation how to do it.
This has been fun looking at this gpu....it will be nice to see the R600 when released...and i really hope more then anyone that this is the true R600...the debate over whether or not it is real has been fun as well...i like to get people opinions, and i take opinions without getting upset.........in cases like this, none of us know anything for sure about the r600...we all have seen some specs...and we all have seen those specs change...we wont no really anything about it till it is released...but that doesnt make it any less interesting....
ShyskaOh and i would really be ashamed of posting that, if I didn't follow with explanation how to do it.
we are all here to help eachother out....not to ridicule other members...i offer just an opinion of a possibility......you offer nothing but anger towards something that is really not that important.....if you disagree and have an explanation of why, thats great and really is what is needed in a place like this....however to try to make someone feel stupid isnt needed.....the only thing i am ashamed of here is how you have acted and what nonmembers who visit will see, two members not getting along....never the less what you posted seems to be accurate...nice find....but in the future try and respect other members a little more.....
What would a devoloper be doing with it on his table?
I never said it was a fake. I just find it funny that everyone is so excited about pics of a supposed new chip that hasn't even hit the pcb yet that we know of. And the fact that someone has it supposedly to take pictures and ATI is OK with this?
And the pin count is wrong I believe.
And again, what would anyone without a factory to put it on a PCB to use do with it and WHY would they have it?
All very strange and interesting, but nothing worth getting so excited over.
the r600 size is to be what 80nm??? can anyone take those pics and find a size ref. to see if that chip is larger or smaller then that...that could settle this..lol...
OnBoardWell they didn't teach you very well, there's NO flash in any of the pictures =) Ever heard of two! lights in a same room ;o (think a football/soccer match, people have 4 shadows there) GPU:s are pain in the butt to take pictures with a flash. Here is what happens:
GPU reflect the flash like crazy and acts like a mirror if you photograph it straight on. (sorry, deleted the totally reflective unreadable ones already)
There is no way that if the flash was angled like that, that it would blast the camera back in the face. Theres no reason why GPU's are hard to photograph, yes they are mirror like, but if you set it up properly, it will take a fine picture with 2 flashes on either side. I can't see how you're saying the photo was taken without a flash, as there is a strong difference in dark and light areas behind the chip. If it was taken in a room, the photo would have a uniform background because the light(assuming 60-120w bulb) would not be sufficient enough to cause the lighting difference, and the lightbulbs in lamps are not directional, but spread light uniformly throughout a room..
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I like this picture the most:
This guy has got a key fob of an R480(?) in plastic. LOL. He obviously likes *playing* with chips. An ideal psychological profile of a GPU spoofer. Notice how the picture is taken on his kitchen table with the blue plastic wipe-clean cover. Typical of a taiwan kitchen. And the real photos are only with a piece of cardboard, not the "real R600" chip. LOL.
edit:: woooohoooo another star for me....
Here is this guys homepage:
www.athlonoc.org/forum_r4_new/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=6163
And here is his new PC www.athlonoc.org/forum_r4_new/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=31863&FORUM_ID=53&CAT_ID=2&Topic_Title=Thermalright+Ultra%2D120+%B6%F0%AB%AC%B4%B2%BC%F6%BE%B9%C2%B2%A4%B6%A4%CE%B4%FA%B8%D5&Forum_Title=%B2%A3%AB%7E%B5%FB%B4%FA%A4%A4%A4%DF Brand new spanking Dual Core E6600.
Notice the photos? It's the same fuzzy white background as the "R600" pictures, only this time, he isn't so careful. You can see that:
ITS A WHITE TOWEL!!!!! LOL :laugh:
I do give the guy 9.9/10 for a job well done. He fooled some of you. Basically, he's just a PC tweaker that likes footling with his hardware. So actually, he's one of us. LOL. :respect:
and as for this being CG, i damn well better know what CG looks like; I've been a 3D artist for, oh, 3 or 4 years now and i can *almost* always spot a 3D model, and this most certainly does not look like one.
I frankly don't care if its real or fake, i just have to play the devil's advocate to some pathetically weak arguments.
If you look at his other photos on said towel, many have similarly "impossible" shadows as this core shot.
It may indeed be a fake and not an R600, but whatever it is, it certainly is a real chip, not a 3D rendering.
by the way, more shots here
Having 2 high powered flashes would definitely put a difference in lighting between dark and light areas, on both sides.
learning photography, and we discussed different types of flash types, this was one of them.
img215.imageshack.us/img215/8751/reflectiondg0.jpg
GPU reflect the flash like crazy and acts like a mirror if you photograph it straight on. (sorry, deleted the totally reflective unreadable ones already)
img215.imageshack.us/img215/3293/noreflectionks1.jpg
With an angle and it's fine, but have to use flash, because I don't have bright lights in room.
(those heatsinks were hard work with a hacksaw, so no dissing :D)
ps. text isn't in a straight line with the GPU edge even in my card, and if you say (lemonadesoda) I editet AS5 smudge to the picture and it's fake also, I thank you very much, wish I was that good :)
Edit: but I don't care if it's real or not. I care about how the real thing performs and what its price is.
P.S. pitty my camera's battery is recharging atm, i just took my vga card package to a room with dual lightning, and guess what, it has almost completely same shadows as that picture describet, only the edges are wider due to box being thicker...
never the less watch what you say to people in this forum...dont tell people "you need to learn" that is really rude...
try to be more adult next time please....and just offer your thoughts...being rude like that wont get you anywhere at TPU and will make people look past your posts.....
Oh and i would really be ashamed of posting that, if I didn't follow with explanation how to do it.
So cheers ;) and take it easy.
What would a devoloper be doing with it on his table?
I never said it was a fake. I just find it funny that everyone is so excited about pics of a supposed new chip that hasn't even hit the pcb yet that we know of. And the fact that someone has it supposedly to take pictures and ATI is OK with this?
And the pin count is wrong I believe.
And again, what would anyone without a factory to put it on a PCB to use do with it and WHY would they have it?
All very strange and interesting, but nothing worth getting so excited over.
They are all made like that, and then soldered to a PCB which I'm sure you know...
but I highly doubt they are getting 100% yields... so hey, lets grab one out of the trash bin and make a keychain! ;)
*looks at keychain*
I've got a few..
Or perhaps he pulled it from a dead R600.
I've done it before to a chipset... it can be done! :P