Tuesday, November 1st 2016

EVGA GTX 1070/1080 Overheating Issues Update - New BIOS Revision To Be Released

After reports of EVGA cards overheating and sometimes becoming non-operational, which we covered right here on TPU, the company has now issued a statement further clarifying the steps it's taking towards solving the issues. Though it was first reported that only the GTX 1070/1080 FTW series of cards were having issues, the company has also extended its efforts towards the GTX 1060 cards, in both 3 GB and 6 GB flavors, which may point to either underlying problems with those cards as well, or simply EVGA extending that bit of extra support to their customers.

While at first it seemed that the company-distributed, free-of-charge thermal pads (which EVGA stressed were optional in nature) would be enough to fix any and all issues, the company is also issuing a BIOS revision in a few days, which "adjusts the fan speed curve" to "ensure sufficient cooling of all components across all operating temperatures".
While this is sure to mar the company's sterling reputation, and users will probably have to deal with higher operating noise due to the cards' revised fan profiles with the upcoming BIOS update, the company must still be commended for tackling the issues with brevity and decisiveness.

Read the company's statement regarding these issues below:

"Recently, it was reported from several sources, that the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW PWM and memory temperature is running warmer than expected during Furmark (an extreme stress utility). EVGA has investigated these reports and after extensive testing, below are our findings:
  • On ACX 3.0, EVGA focused on GPU temperature and the lowest acoustic levels possible. Running Furmark, the GPU is around 70C +/- and the fan speed is running approximately 30% duty cycle or lower.
  • However, during recent testing, the thermal temperature of the PWM and memory, in extreme circumstances, was marginally within spec and needed to be addressed.
Conclusion: EVGA offers full warranty support on its products, with cross-ship RMA (available in the Continental United States, Hawaii, Alaska, Canada, EU, UK, Norway, and Switzerland. EVGA offers Standard RMA replacement options in the Middle East, Africa, India or outside of the before mentioned supported areas), and stands behind its products and commitment to our customers.

To resolve this, EVGA will be offering a VBIOS update, which adjusts the fan-speed curve to ensure sufficient cooling of all components across all operating temperatures. This VBIOS will be released in the next few days and users can download it and update their cards directly. This update resolves the potential thermal issues that have been reported, and ensures the card maintains safe operating temperatures.

For those users who want additional cooling beyond the VBIOS update, EVGA has optional thermal pads available. This update is not required, however; EVGA will make it available free of charge to any customer who is interested. To request the thermal pad kit, please visit www.evga.com/thermalmod.

Any customer who is not comfortable performing the recommended VBIOS update, may request a warranty cross-shipment to exchange the product to EVGA for an updated replacement.

All graphics cards shipped from EVGA after 11/1/2016 will have the VBIOS update applied."

The company also presented a FAQ regarding these issues, as well as the graphics card models involved, so make sure to check the images below for more clarification.
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78 Comments on EVGA GTX 1070/1080 Overheating Issues Update - New BIOS Revision To Be Released

#26
I No
m1dg3tIf this occurred with an AMD product the internetz would explode! The pitchforks would be out en masse!! Since it's an nVidia product, it's Ok.

Fucking pathetic. Absofuckinglutely pathetic.
Funny how people fail to grasp the situation.
A. It's EVGA's desgin since it's a custom PCB with CUSTOM cooling (which at this point isn't adequate for the VRMs)
B. Founders Edition cards (AKA nVidia products) are working as intended

But you were right with 1 part:
Fucking pathetic. Absofuckinglutely pathetic.
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#27
deu
JismThat's nonsense. The card will work fine in 99.9% of games and apps people use them for. If you run Furmark, your causing a load that's unreal and will never be archieved by whatsoever benchmark or game.

Furmark is taxing VRM's up to 20 to 40% more then a game would ever do. They engineered that card for games and such.

If i was'nt mistaken, the card was tested with furmark going for 1.5 hours long? Thats crazy.
100% agree but I would test the card as a developer to make sure it would not become an issue (like it is now) Make sure your product cant be exposed. To me this is embarrassing to EVGA at most but as people write; I wouldnt be worried if I owned the card.
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#28
Nelly
Maybe thermal testing can be implemented in future TechTowerUp reviews? I know it's costly, but still...

Having only bought an EVGA 1070 FTW a week before the news came out, I feel an absolute fool for not reading the Guru3D 1070/1080 reviews. The Toms Hardware results were in German and I don't think were published on their US/UK review sites?
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#29
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Batou1986Can we stop parroting this nonsense about furmark being the problem here.

No computer component should ever fail simply from being 100% utilized.
Its like saying your car can go up to 100mph but at that speed the brakes fail, but its ok because the speed limit on roads is 75mph so going 100mph is unreasonable.
That is a garbage argument. First off most vehicles cannot maintain their top speeds for extended periods of time, second off the VRM's are in no way comparable to the brakes. The cooling systems of the vast majority of vehicles cannot handle the heat put out by the engine running at 100% load in a high gear for hours. Go take a brand new 5.0 mustang and tell me how long you can drive it at 150MPH before the engine starts to overheat. This is the exact same issue. The card can easily handle a 5 or 10 minute "blast" in furmark and could handle days at a typical gaming load, but it cannot handle running an unrealistic load for hours on end.
NellyMaybe thermal testing can be implemented in future TechTowerUp reviews? I know it's costly, but still...

Having only bought an EVGA 1070 FTW a week before the news came out, I feel an absolute fool for not reading the Guru3D 1070/1080 reviews. The Toms Hardware results were in German and I don't think were published on their US/UK review sites?
Have you actually had an issue with the card? Or did you read that there was an issue and now you "have the same problem"
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#30
stiglet
Solidstate89Yeah, the Founder's Editions never had their own problems regarding throttling issues or having unnecessary fan spin-ups. Nope, not at all. They were absolutely perfect in every single way...

wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-fan-issues-fix/
The founders edition doesn't overheat or thermal throttle.
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#31
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
stigletThe founders edition doesn't overheat or thermal throttle.
Correct nvidia's boost 3.0 wont allow it to, because it pulls clock speed. It cannot hold full boost speed in furmark, unlike the EVGA cards. Does that mean nvidia can't make a card or that EVGA is better?
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#32
Nelly
cdawallHave you actually had an issue with the card? Or did you read that there was an issue and now you "have the same problem"
Having installed the card and within hours reading the overheating issues, I've not even ran any benchmarks, no gaming whatsoever in the last two weeks or so, my card is old stock running Samsung memory, shipping date of July even though I bought towards the end of October. I did request the thermal pads, but no update as to when they are being sent.

I normally buy Gigabyte or MSI GPU's since 2004 when I bought the MSI ATI X800 XT P.E 256MB, having bought a EVGA 980 SC, I thought I would stick with EVGA with the 1070. Now I wish I had gone for the MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X or the Gigabyte G1.
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#33
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
NellyHaving installed the card and within hours reading the overheating issues, I've not even ran any benchmarks, no gaming whatsoever in the last two weeks or so, my card is old stock running Samsung memory, shipping date of July even though I bought towards the end of October. I did request the thermal pads, but no update as to when they are being sent.

I normally buy Gigabyte or MSI GPU's since 2004 when I bought the MSI ATI X800 XT P.E 256MB, having bought a EVGA 980 SC, I thought I would stick with EVGA with the 1070. Now I wish I had gone for the MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X or the Gigabyte G1.
So you have had zero issues and refuse to even use the card because you read something online about it?
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#34
Legacy-ZA
NellyMaybe thermal testing can be implemented in future TechTowerUp reviews? I know it's costly, but still...

Having only bought an EVGA 1070 FTW a week before the news came out, I feel an absolute fool for not reading the Guru3D 1070/1080 reviews. The Toms Hardware results were in German and I don't think were published on their US/UK review sites?
It wouldn't have helped, as I was keeping my eye out for the FTW review too; which never arrived on Guru even until this day.
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#35
bug
NellyMaybe thermal testing can be implemented in future TechTowerUp reviews? I know it's costly, but still...

Having only bought an EVGA 1070 FTW a week before the news came out, I feel an absolute fool for not reading the Guru3D 1070/1080 reviews. The Toms Hardware results were in German and I don't think were published on their US/UK review sites?
On one hand, it serves you well for doing your research on Tom's Hardware (it seems it was ages ago when they were the only trustworthy source on the Internet).
On the other hand, if you don't plan on playing long hours of Furmark, you're fine. If you want to be extra safe, apply the BIOS patch.
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#36
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
bugOn one hand, it serves you well for doing your research on Tom's Hardware (it seems it was ages ago when they were the only trustworthy source on the Internet).
On the other hand, if you don't plan on playing long hours of Furmark, you're fine. If you want to be extra safe, apply the BIOS patch.
It seems tom's created this issue, no one plays furmark. I bet there would have been normal RMA numbers of these cards if Tom's hadn't ran a test that doesn't matter or make sense for that matter.
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#37
Grings
Evga left off thermal pads that were supposed to be there, and are now sending them out to people for free, end of

If a PC manufacturer was fitting a well lapped cpu cooler to a new processor with no tim and it didnt quite overheat doing day to day tasks would you all be defending them and denying the lack of tim to be a problem? or would that depend which cpu manufacturers cpu was in it?
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#38
Nelly
cdawallSo you have had zero issues and refuse to even use the card because you read something online about it?
Yep, I don't really care how you want to swing it around, I'm not prepared to risk damaging the card. No one can even read the temps of the VRMs like you can with AMD cards, no reading comes up in GPU-Z to monitor it with Nvidia cards.

I guess I could just use it anyway, if it blows then covered by EVGA warranty.

EVGA have screwed up on this one, whichever way you look at it, just like they did with the 970 SC cards, by using previous generation coolers to save money on designing new ones. Months later EVGA released new 970 cards ended with new designed coolers - SSC and FTW+ versions.
Legacy-ZAIt wouldn't have helped, as I was keeping my eye out for the FTW review too; which never arrived on Guru even until this day.
The SC version is on there, VRMs reach 96°C and all it's running is 3DMark Firestrike.
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#39
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
NellyYep, I don't really care how you want to swing it around, I'm not prepared to risk damaging the card, No one can even read the temps of the VRMs like you can with AMD cards, no reading comes up in GPU-Z to monitor it with Nvidia cards.

I guess I could just use it anyway, if it blows then covered by EVGA warranty.

EVGA have screwed up on this one, whichever way you look at it, just like they did with the 970 SC cards, but using previous generation coolers. Months later with ended up with revised coolers SSC and FTW+ versions.
Turn the fan speed up? All the VRM section needs is airflow. You people are making mountains out of molehills.

Considering how many of these have been sold I have not seen a single EVGA 1070/1080 come into the shop with black screen issues.
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#40
stiglet
cdawallCorrect nvidia's boost 3.0 wont allow it to, because it pulls clock speed. It cannot hold full boost speed in furmark, unlike the EVGA cards. Does that mean nvidia can't make a card or that EVGA is better?
Any GPU will pull back BOOST clock speed when temps get high, not proper clock speed. That's the important distinction. If factory clock speeds are effected, thats when you can say it's thermal throttling, not otherwise.

The reference cooler is designed to maintain the card at the factory set clock speeds, and if thermal and power limits allow, a little more as an added bonus (and will do so under any conditions e.g. close to zero case air flow). The EVGA cooler is designed to push everything to the limits, but requires the right conditions to do it. The reference is the safer option. The EVGA is the enthusiast option. If you go with the enthusiast option, you should expect things to not be peachy so easily.

All of the above has been the case with GPUs for a few years now, nothing has changed.

It is unfortunate that EVGA had these problems, but when you're tuning on the edge with a retail product, shit happens. I would be surprised if Nvidia's own reference cooler had these same overheating issues. An aftermarket manufacturer, not so much. It just so happens that this time around, it was EVGAs turn to make a mistake.
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#41
Nelly
cdawallTurn the fan speed up? All the VRM section needs is airflow. You people are making mountains out of molehills.

Considering how many of these have been sold I have not seen a single EVGA 1070/1080 come into the shop with black screen issues.
The black screening is an entirely different issue. As per an EVGA statement - it was caused by On Semiconductor (VRM IC Manufacturer) VRM IC's being out of spec, triggering the OCP (Over Current Protection) The percentage of the IC’s that were out of spec has been confirmed by On Semiconductor and is approximately 3% to 4%. Since then, EVGA and On Semiconductor have worked out the solution and RMA replacement action a couple months ago as we stated above. At this moment, all of the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW’s have been corrected and all products in the field are working properly.

Then there was the issue with Micron memory not being fed enough voltage, all manufacturers released a new BIOS to rectify the problem and increase overclocking potential.
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#42
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
stigletAny GPU will pull back BOOST clock speed when temps get high, not proper clock speed. That's the important distinction. If factory clock speeds are effected, thats when you can say it's thermal throttling, not otherwise.

The reference cooler is designed to maintain the card at the factory set clock speeds, and if thermal and power limits allow, a little more as an added bonus (and will do so under any conditions e.g. close to zero case air flow). The EVGA cooler is designed to push everything to the limits, but requires the right conditions to do it. The reference is the safer option. The EVGA is the enthusiast option. If you go with the enthusiast option, you should expect things to not be peachy so easily.

All of the above has been the case with GPUs for a few years now, nothing has changed.

It is unfortunate that EVGA had these problems, but when you're tuning on the edge with a retail product, shit happens. I would be surprised if Nvidia's own reference cooler had these same overheating issues. An aftermarket manufacturer, not so much. It just so happens that this time around, it was EVGAs turn to make a mistake.
Go run Furmark for 2 hours on a FE card and let me know if it makes it without throttling. I would wager money it won't.
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#43
ixi
People have learned their lesson. Don't buy crap brand GPU easy as that. EVGA can now go down where they were before this useless hype train.

Graps popcorn.
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#44
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
ixiPeople have learned their lesson. Don't buy crap brand GPU easy as that. EVGA can now go down where they were before this useless hype train.

Graps popcorn.
They aren't any worse than anyone else...
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#45
yogurt_21
glad to see this was a furmark thing because the first thought in my head was "it's like 170 watts, you're telling me they can't cool that?" and before you get into it keyboard warrior I'm well aware power draw is not heat, I also know that entropy means that 170 watts drawn cannot exceed 170 watts of heat.
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#46
Batou1986
cdawallGo take a brand new 5.0 mustang and tell me how long you can drive it at 150MPH before the engine starts to overheat
Forever because the car has proper cooling at any speed that it is capable of going.

Defend all you want but EVGA screwed the pooch on this one by once again using their reputation to sell crap that even MSI wouldn't.
My cpu wont die after 3 hrs of linpac an my ram wont die after 3 hrs of mem test nor will anything else in my computer die do to multi hour stress testing.

There is no excuse for this no other part of a PC will fail when utilized 100% for multiple hours.
Maybe EVGA should take note and run their cards through some actual stress testing to identify these issues before production, but why bother wasting money on that when customers will defend you no matter how you screw them.
cdawallThey aren't any worse than anyone else...
Well aparently they are if your looking to buy GTX 10xx cards because no one else is having issues with vrm's catching fire .
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#47
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Batou1986Forever because the car has proper cooling at any speed that it is capable of going.
WRONG. I love when non-car people make car analogies and haven't got a damn clue. Again go try it and report back. As a person who track races a mustang I can tell you the factory cooling can't even keep up with a damn 20 minute weekend warrior track day, but hey continue to argue things you don't know jack shit about.
Batou1986Defend all you want but EVGA screwed the pooch on this one by once again using their reputation to sell crap that even MSI wouldn't.
My cpu wont die after 3 hrs of linpac an my ram wont die after 3 hrs of mem test nor will anything else in my computer die do to multi hour stress testing.
It will throttle, this is a multi fault issue. If it had a temp sensor on the VRM's the BIOS of the GPU could adjust fan speeds to compensate for it. EVGA didn't use low end parts (unlike MSI who has a weaker design than OEM), they just didn't plan for people to try and light their shit on fire after bypassing the safeties built into the driver to prevent people from "playing" furmark. Want to get angry at a company? Where is the pissed off group at powercolor for the RX480 red devil? That card is legitimately a fire hazard if you try to run furmark at all.
Batou1986There is no excuse for this no other part of a PC will fail when utilized 100% for multiple hours.
Maybe EVGA should take note and run their cards through some actual stress testing to identify these issues before production, but why bother wasting money on that when customers will defend you no matter how you screw them.
Guess how many EVGA cards I own? Zero I am against people who claim to know everything and blacklist companies over ignorance.
Batou1986Well aparently they are if your looking to buy GTX 10xx cards because no one else is having issues with vrm's catching fire .
Good on them. Maybe we should look into the history of every single company and see if anyone else has made mistakes? I have blown up 17 XFX 750A and GF8200 boards. I didn't blacklist XFX, it was also a known issue that didn't burn the company to the ground.[/quote][/QUOTE]
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#48
EarthDog
ixiPeople have learned their lesson. Don't buy crap brand GPU easy as that. EVGA can now go down where they were before this useless hype train.

Graps popcorn.
WTF? EVGA a crap brand?

Man, Ive heard EVERYTHING... now I can die.
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#49
Batou1986
cdawallThey aren't any worse than anyone else...
cdawallWRONG. I love when non-car people make car analogies and haven't got a damn clue. Again go try it and report back. As a person who track races a mustang I can tell you the factory cooling can't even keep up with a damn 20 minute weekend warrior track day, but hey continue to argue things you don't know jack shit about.



It will throttle, this is a multi fault issue. If it had a temp sensor on the VRM's the BIOS of the GPU could adjust fan speeds to compensate for it. EVGA didn't use low end parts (unlike MSI who has a weaker design than OEM), they just didn't plan for people to try and light their shit on fire after bypassing the safeties built into the driver to prevent people from "playing" furmark. Want to get angry at a company? Where is the pissed off group at powercolor for the RX480 red devil? That card is legitimately a fire hazard if you try to run furmark at all.



Guess how many EVGA cards I own? Zero I am against people who claim to know everything and blacklist companies over ignorance.




Good on them. Maybe we should look into the history of every single company and see if anyone else has made mistakes? I have blown up 17 XFX 750A and GF8200 boards. I didn't blacklist XFX, it was also a known issue that didn't burn the company to the ground.
Come on now lad you didn't say anything about a track you said a new 5.0 (gt350) going 150 mph which is bullshit anyway because they are limited to 135mph which they wont overheat at cruising down the highway.
But please tell me more about how crap modified track mustangs overheat going 150mph on a track so I can laugh some more.
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#50
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Batou1986Come on now lad you didn't say anything about a track you said a new 5.0 (gt350) going 150 mph which is bullshit anyway because they are limited to 135mph which they wont overheat at cruising down the highway.
But please tell me more about how crap modified track mustangs overheat going 150mph on a track so I can laugh some more.
The GT350 has a 5.2L in it, the regular GT has the 5.0 in it, it (the GT to avoid confusion) has a governor at 164MPH. We aren't talking about the V6 here. Also no one said modified I said they overheat in 20minute plus track blasts. Which is a true statement and can be sited if you would like. Do you want to know the exact parts of the cars causing the issues? Because not only does the engine start to warm up, but the rear differential will go into an overheat and yes it has a temp sensor.

Please continue I have done this for a living.
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