Monday, December 12th 2016

AMD "Vega" Demoed in Sonoma, California

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AMD's next-generation high-end graphics card, based on the "Vega" architecture, was showcased at an event in Sonoma CA, earlier this week. While the architecture is being debuted with the Radeon Instinct MI25 deep-learning accelerator, a prototype graphics card based on the silicon was exhibited by the company, showing Vulkan API gaming.

AMD was pretty tight-lipped about the specifications of this prototype, but two details appear to have slipped out. Apparently, the chip has a floating point performance of 25 TFLOP/s (FP16), and 12.5 TFLOP/s (FP32, single-precision). On paper, this is higher than the 11 TFLOP/s (FP32) of NVIDIA TITAN X Pascal. The other important specification that emerged is that the card features 8 GB of HBM2 memory, with a memory bandwidth of 512 GB/s. This, too, is higher than the 480 GB/s of the TITAN X Pascal. It remains to be seen which market-segment AMD targets with this card.

This article was updated on Dec 15 to accommodate AMD's request to remove all info regarding the demo system, the shown game and its performance, which has been put under NDA retroactively.
Source: Golem.de

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120 Comments on AMD "Vega" Demoed in Sonoma, California

#101
HD64G
Something that could help us position this chip IF it gets +10% faster than 1080 in Doom Vulcan 4K in ultra settings is that RX480 is 10% faster than 1060 6GB in Doom Vulcan 4K in @W1zzard reviews and loses by it by 3-4% in total average of all games in 4K. So, Vega 10 could easily be on par or just below with 1080 in FPS on average even without many arch changes. Or, AMD decided to lower the clocks in this demo to not fully uncover its potential as we have at least a few weeks until they send it to reviewers.
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#102
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
CammVega 11 is supposed to be in the same space as Polaris 10, so I'm starting to expect a number jump from 4xx to 5xx (or something else new.
I thoughy Vega 11 road maps to the 490 spot and 10 the fury?
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#103
the54thvoid
Super Intoxicated Moderator
cdawallI thoughy Vega 11 road maps to the 490 spot and 10 the fury?
Hell man, did you miss future tech 101? Graphics roadmaps are like reading tea leaves - a wee bit messy. They make them us as they go along to suit investors. Nvidia are awesome at it... Pascal - what Pascal?
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#104
LightningJR
jigar2speedHow is this possible, even GTX 1080 makes max 52FPS @ 4K resolution -
DippyskoodlezThe trick is the usual AMD hype machine: Either leave out significant, pertinent information or leave out significant pertinent information.

For anyone that actually has doom, it doesn't have a benchmark tool.

This means review site numbers are not comparable directly, and AMD can cater this 'sample' to whatever they want.

Because here's my 980Ti @ 4k ultra:

i.imgur.com/diFvE7i.jpg

I don't believe any 'astonishing' numbers until it's in at least w1zz's hands.

Bonus Vulkan screenie:

i.imgur.com/xMEkWxe.jpg
^this. There's no benchmark so it'll be up to reviewers to give us proper comparable results with timed runs in the same areas and situations.

Plus my 1070 is overclocked pretty good, nearly 2ghz on the core and +500 on th memory. (with the core barely budging from that clock)
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#105
Nergal
Whatever it´s speed may be, it´s clear it will most likely beat the 1070. Forcing a drop in pricing for that card, and logically, also for the 1080, the 1060 and the 480. Bringing excellent cards for 1080P below the 200$ price ranges.

Hype train or not. They can´t release statements and be off by 50%.
So if they try to compare it with the 1080; you can be sure it will be better than the 1070.
They also are not going to release something that competes with their own Fury. Else they couldv´e just re-released the Fury with the new Ramtype???

=> What´s real important here is that is becoming very clear that AMD is back on par with it´s competitors. This means pricedrops for everyone and some healthy challenges to intel/NVidia. Something we should all agree on is a good thing.
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#106
NDown
LightningJRThis performance is very close to what I get on my overclocked 1070. Was just playing with the Doom demo today too bad Vulcan lowers FPS at 4k for me :(
jigar2speedHow is this possible, even GTX 1080 makes max 52FPS @ 4K resolution -
The mystery continues
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#107
TheDeeGee
But what about 99.99% of the other games that use DX9 and DX11?
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#108
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
TheDeeGeeBut what about 99.99% of the other games that use DX9 and DX11?
Consoles use AMD GCN products, I would bet the future holds more DX12 and Vulkan applications since it can squeeze more performance out of the consoles.
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#109
Nergal
TheDeeGeeBut what about 99.99% of the other games that use DX9 and DX11?
Also, those games require less juice to play on high settings.

New decent games will have DX12.
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#111
ADHDGAMING
the54thvoidI replied to this notion of yours before - Vega 11 is (according to most sites and leaks) the smaller chip. Just like Polaris 10 (RX 480) and 11 (RX470 and 460). Other sites also suggested the price will be similar to the GTX 1080. Look at AMD's past releases now.

7970 matched 680
Fury X matched 980ti

There is a precedent now for AMD to match the pricing structure of Nvidia.

Don't get me wrong, I want Vega to come in at DX11 equal to a 1080, but far superior at DX12 and Vulkan and be £100 cheaper.

EDIT: if Vega matches 1080 and AMD price it the same, AMD become absolutely complicit in the ridiculous pricing of gfx cards. But if Vega beats the 1080 - they can sell it for MORE..... not good.
correct AMD names their chips by which was in dev 1st .. they build the big ones 1st and then cut them down .. so 10 is always the big one
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#113
renz496
NergalWhatever it´s speed may be, it´s clear it will most likely beat the 1070. Forcing a drop in pricing for that card, and logically, also for the 1080, the 1060 and the 480. Bringing excellent cards for 1080P below the 200$ price ranges.

Hype train or not. They can´t release statements and be off by 50%.
So if they try to compare it with the 1080; you can be sure it will be better than the 1070.
They also are not going to release something that competes with their own Fury. Else they couldv´e just re-released the Fury with the new Ramtype???

=> What´s real important here is that is becoming very clear that AMD is back on par with it´s competitors. This means pricedrops for everyone and some healthy challenges to intel/NVidia. Something we should all agree on is a good thing.
back in january AMD also give us the impression that polaris 11 will going to be faster than GTX950. while they capped the performance to the same level of 950 to show polaris 11 is more power efficient than 950 at the same performance they also hint the final product going to be better than what they show us.
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#115
TheGuruStud
CammEveryone went DX12 for some reason - that has 36 titles in the pipeline for next year. Its odd.
Wait till M$ starts pumping money in DX12, so they can further suppress PC gaming with that garbage. They want to piss you off, so you buy an xbox.

Their actions more than support my claim.
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#116
EarthDog
CammEveryone went DX12 for some reason - that has 36 titles in the pipeline for next year. Its odd.
Yet everyone is holding out hope for Polaris/Vega that Vulkan will save it...to me, they are lucky they have tweaked several percent improvement out of the drivers...well done! blBut Vulcan isn't going to save it unless some dogs like up support for some major titles.
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#117
Camm
EarthDogYet everyone is holding out hope for Polaris/Vega that Vulkan will save it...to me, they are lucky they have tweaked several percent improvement out of the drivers...well done! blBut Vulcan isn't going to save it unless some dogs like up support for some major titles.
Being fair, AMD's gains in non gameworks DX12 titles spanks Nvidia as % performance increase atm anyway, so its not a huge deal. But you would think that being able to more easily target PS4, OSX, Linux, etc on top of Windows+XB1 would have driven higher Vulkan adoption.
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#118
ValenOne
renz496back in january AMD also give us the impression that polaris 11 will going to be faster than GTX950. while they capped the performance to the same level of 950 to show polaris 11 is more power efficient than 950 at the same performance they also hint the final product going to be better than what they show us.
RX-460 is not the full Polaris 11.
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#119
Assimilator
Everyone's getting hyped over Vega allegedly beating GTX 1080... I'm just sitting here waiting for Pascal 2.0 to arrive.
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#120
Camm
rvalenciaRX-460 is not the full Polaris 11.
People have been unlocking them to full P11's though. Which is strange.
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#121
iTile
the54thvoidWhile everyone is talking speeds, even Fury X does 60+ fps.. We wont know shit until this thing is released. Until then even the genuine leak benchmarks are unusable.

Hexus do use Vulkan API for their testing.

Same site different scores

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