Friday, July 7th 2017
On Cryptocoins: I think I know why Satoshi Nakamoto Hides
To all you out there wondering why you can't get a GPU for gaming at a reasonable rate, or why we are using record numbers in energy usage to mint so called "toy money," depleting our planets energy in the process, I have a bit of a statement to make as a former miner and "part of the problem" so to speak.
I'm sorry, it wasn't supposed to be this way. None of it was supposed to go down like this.
That probably requires some justification, yes? I mean mining is an inherently energy expensive operation, right? Well, yes and no, respectively. Yes, it requires justification, and that's precisely because mining is NOT an inherently energy expensive operation, despite public perception. It has become that way due to human greed, and nearly everything bad to come from cryptocurrency has decidedly come from that group: humans. Cryptocurrency is not inherently responsible. The inventors, pioneers, and early miners such as myself never anticipated what was to come, and we did not intend it to be this way. Bitcoin was intended to do good, and in the end, it wasn't cryptocurrency that screwed it all up, it was humans. Human greed, particularly.In the early days of cryptocurrency, Bitcoin was the only player in town, and supply was supposedly fixed and regulated. We (we being the early miners, and to an extent it's anonymous creator, using the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto) did not anticipate so many new players and the "infinite money" problem we face today. We also didn't have much of a network in terms of energy use. Mining was done largely on what I imagine to be a few hundred or thousand (I have no idea what the exact numbers were frankly, I doubt anyone does) computers around the globe. We didn't use GPUs, we used CPUs, and at least in the early iterations it was largely done on a single thread/process. When I started mining, things were already in flux. Someone had made a GPU-miner, and suddenly, the cost-to-benefit ratio went way up. You see, with CPU systems it did not make economic sense to make "farms" because with 1P consumer hardware, it took a whole system per miner, and even quad cores were still really expensive then (2P and 4P systems were around, but cost almost more than 2 cheap 1Ps). GPUs changed that. GPUs obsoleted the CPU "farm-limiting" expenses by allowing miners to strap on as many as 4-6 GPUs per system, and with the CPU irrelevant, they could make the rest of the system very cheaply. Suddenly, the only part that really cost anything was the GPU, and cost-to-benefit ratio went way up. You could mine much more way cheaper. And since it was only one part that was really needed anymore (and lots of that part), the GPU market took a huge hit, as did the energy market.
When I started mining, this impact was still not clear. I entered the market as a miner when Bitcoin was about $20.00 per coin. I began my mining adventure on the CPU of an old Pentium M notebook before quickly learning this was uneconomical, and made approximately 0.02 bitcoins over the course of a week, worth then only 40 cents. The only exchange at the time, MtGox, would not even let me withdraw such a measly amount, and so it sat in their online wallet until MtGox would collapse in the later days of Bitcoin. Interesting to note, if I still had those .02 bitcoins, they'd be worth over 40 dollars today, but ah, thus is the nature of cryptocurrency.
That's the other problem with cryptocurrency, and again, it isn't actually a problem with cryptocurrency itself, but people. People are unreliable. You give your coins over to someone random on the internet, it isn't really the fault of cryptocurrency when it vanishes. This is a very human issue. When people use cryptocurrency to buy drugs online, it too isn't cryptocurrency's fault nor was it our goal for it to be used that way. It is the users fault, the human element again is to blame.
At any rate, I won't go much more into my own mining shenanigans, except to say I got into it big before getting out entirely sometime in the next Bitcoin crash. It has let me look at things somewhat levelheaded with the latest energy figures coming back showing the true cost of the new GPU miners, and such. (ASICs on Bitcoin's part make whole systems even cheaper and more exclusive, so that doesn't help things either). But this wasn't how it was supposed to be. Bitcoin was never supposed to be cheap to mine. Mining was supposed to be a reward for supporting the network on your CPU in your downtime, like a BOINC screensaver. Nothing more, nothing less. If Bitcoin made one huge mistake, it's in trusting people to not abuse the system. It was in trusting humans, not in its goals. Its goals were good. I mean a good cheap money transport for the masses is not an inherently bad thing, right? People ruined that, not cryptocurrency.
I no longer believe in Bitcoin, but I still believe in cryptocurrency. Why? Well, let's look at where Bitcoin went wrong, first.
First off, Bitcoin's Proof of Work algorithm is too simple. It's a glorified SHA hash (which is very, very computationally cheap) done over and over, which honestly, was asking to have an ASIC made for it from day 1. The fact that it didn't become an energy pig sooner is surprising, to be frank. Human greed will always seek more than its fair share, and it was way too easy to facilitate that with Bitcoin's simplistic Proof of Work algorithm. If Bitcoin is a drug, it is both dealer and enabler.
Second, Bitcoin was too trusting. Bitcoin gives people anonymity, and then trusts people to be responsible with it. I believe people to be basically good, but there are always those who are bad and will abuse a system like this. It needs a decentralized name registry, to give people more traceability and identification on the network. I don't believe a truly anonymous cryptocoin will ever have a place here for long, at least not outside the criminal underworld.
What do we need? We need a coin that doesn't trust people. People are the weak link. We need a computationally complex coin that runs on CPUs and restores that old status quo the early bitcoin days enjoyed, that limits the impact of farming and thus, energy usage on our planet. This same coin maybe could even do something with those CPU cycles, what I don't know, but meaningless numbers has always rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe something that contributes to BOINC or similar projects, I can't say. I'm not an architect, more of a philosopher a this point if you will.
I guess what I want you to walk away from this with is the realization that despite the fact that cryptocurrency is here to stay in some form or another, it is not inherently evil. Some of the incarnations of it right now are just plain bad, and I believe Bitcoin is already dying even if it won't be apparent for years (I believe regulation from the government will finally kill it, honestly). But Bitcoin is NOT cryptocurrency in whole. Cryptocurrency is an idea, an idea to provide a cheap money transport free of swipe fees and instability to the masses. Bitcoin failed at this, failed massively on several fronts (it's not cheap as it eats tons of energy for no reason, and it's massively unstable). But I think someday, a coin will take these ideals and improve upon bitcoin, and truly make the world a better place. If only people will give it a chance, and not associate it with the great failure of Bitcoin in its original goals. Maybe it can happen. Maybe.
In closing, I'd like to say I think I know why Satoshi Nakamoto hides. I think he is ashamed of what he has created, of what his child has become. He entered it with what I honestly believe was the best of intentions to improve the world for the better, and what happened? Looking on it now, can you blame him for hiding? Would you want credit for this? I wouldn't.
I'm sorry, it wasn't supposed to be this way. None of it was supposed to go down like this.
That probably requires some justification, yes? I mean mining is an inherently energy expensive operation, right? Well, yes and no, respectively. Yes, it requires justification, and that's precisely because mining is NOT an inherently energy expensive operation, despite public perception. It has become that way due to human greed, and nearly everything bad to come from cryptocurrency has decidedly come from that group: humans. Cryptocurrency is not inherently responsible. The inventors, pioneers, and early miners such as myself never anticipated what was to come, and we did not intend it to be this way. Bitcoin was intended to do good, and in the end, it wasn't cryptocurrency that screwed it all up, it was humans. Human greed, particularly.In the early days of cryptocurrency, Bitcoin was the only player in town, and supply was supposedly fixed and regulated. We (we being the early miners, and to an extent it's anonymous creator, using the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto) did not anticipate so many new players and the "infinite money" problem we face today. We also didn't have much of a network in terms of energy use. Mining was done largely on what I imagine to be a few hundred or thousand (I have no idea what the exact numbers were frankly, I doubt anyone does) computers around the globe. We didn't use GPUs, we used CPUs, and at least in the early iterations it was largely done on a single thread/process. When I started mining, things were already in flux. Someone had made a GPU-miner, and suddenly, the cost-to-benefit ratio went way up. You see, with CPU systems it did not make economic sense to make "farms" because with 1P consumer hardware, it took a whole system per miner, and even quad cores were still really expensive then (2P and 4P systems were around, but cost almost more than 2 cheap 1Ps). GPUs changed that. GPUs obsoleted the CPU "farm-limiting" expenses by allowing miners to strap on as many as 4-6 GPUs per system, and with the CPU irrelevant, they could make the rest of the system very cheaply. Suddenly, the only part that really cost anything was the GPU, and cost-to-benefit ratio went way up. You could mine much more way cheaper. And since it was only one part that was really needed anymore (and lots of that part), the GPU market took a huge hit, as did the energy market.
When I started mining, this impact was still not clear. I entered the market as a miner when Bitcoin was about $20.00 per coin. I began my mining adventure on the CPU of an old Pentium M notebook before quickly learning this was uneconomical, and made approximately 0.02 bitcoins over the course of a week, worth then only 40 cents. The only exchange at the time, MtGox, would not even let me withdraw such a measly amount, and so it sat in their online wallet until MtGox would collapse in the later days of Bitcoin. Interesting to note, if I still had those .02 bitcoins, they'd be worth over 40 dollars today, but ah, thus is the nature of cryptocurrency.
That's the other problem with cryptocurrency, and again, it isn't actually a problem with cryptocurrency itself, but people. People are unreliable. You give your coins over to someone random on the internet, it isn't really the fault of cryptocurrency when it vanishes. This is a very human issue. When people use cryptocurrency to buy drugs online, it too isn't cryptocurrency's fault nor was it our goal for it to be used that way. It is the users fault, the human element again is to blame.
At any rate, I won't go much more into my own mining shenanigans, except to say I got into it big before getting out entirely sometime in the next Bitcoin crash. It has let me look at things somewhat levelheaded with the latest energy figures coming back showing the true cost of the new GPU miners, and such. (ASICs on Bitcoin's part make whole systems even cheaper and more exclusive, so that doesn't help things either). But this wasn't how it was supposed to be. Bitcoin was never supposed to be cheap to mine. Mining was supposed to be a reward for supporting the network on your CPU in your downtime, like a BOINC screensaver. Nothing more, nothing less. If Bitcoin made one huge mistake, it's in trusting people to not abuse the system. It was in trusting humans, not in its goals. Its goals were good. I mean a good cheap money transport for the masses is not an inherently bad thing, right? People ruined that, not cryptocurrency.
I no longer believe in Bitcoin, but I still believe in cryptocurrency. Why? Well, let's look at where Bitcoin went wrong, first.
First off, Bitcoin's Proof of Work algorithm is too simple. It's a glorified SHA hash (which is very, very computationally cheap) done over and over, which honestly, was asking to have an ASIC made for it from day 1. The fact that it didn't become an energy pig sooner is surprising, to be frank. Human greed will always seek more than its fair share, and it was way too easy to facilitate that with Bitcoin's simplistic Proof of Work algorithm. If Bitcoin is a drug, it is both dealer and enabler.
Second, Bitcoin was too trusting. Bitcoin gives people anonymity, and then trusts people to be responsible with it. I believe people to be basically good, but there are always those who are bad and will abuse a system like this. It needs a decentralized name registry, to give people more traceability and identification on the network. I don't believe a truly anonymous cryptocoin will ever have a place here for long, at least not outside the criminal underworld.
What do we need? We need a coin that doesn't trust people. People are the weak link. We need a computationally complex coin that runs on CPUs and restores that old status quo the early bitcoin days enjoyed, that limits the impact of farming and thus, energy usage on our planet. This same coin maybe could even do something with those CPU cycles, what I don't know, but meaningless numbers has always rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe something that contributes to BOINC or similar projects, I can't say. I'm not an architect, more of a philosopher a this point if you will.
I guess what I want you to walk away from this with is the realization that despite the fact that cryptocurrency is here to stay in some form or another, it is not inherently evil. Some of the incarnations of it right now are just plain bad, and I believe Bitcoin is already dying even if it won't be apparent for years (I believe regulation from the government will finally kill it, honestly). But Bitcoin is NOT cryptocurrency in whole. Cryptocurrency is an idea, an idea to provide a cheap money transport free of swipe fees and instability to the masses. Bitcoin failed at this, failed massively on several fronts (it's not cheap as it eats tons of energy for no reason, and it's massively unstable). But I think someday, a coin will take these ideals and improve upon bitcoin, and truly make the world a better place. If only people will give it a chance, and not associate it with the great failure of Bitcoin in its original goals. Maybe it can happen. Maybe.
In closing, I'd like to say I think I know why Satoshi Nakamoto hides. I think he is ashamed of what he has created, of what his child has become. He entered it with what I honestly believe was the best of intentions to improve the world for the better, and what happened? Looking on it now, can you blame him for hiding? Would you want credit for this? I wouldn't.
98 Comments on On Cryptocoins: I think I know why Satoshi Nakamoto Hides
and who needs to buy video cards right now, the good moment for that was 1 year ago at launch. now is too close to next series and price drops of 200$ at the high end that follows.
shoulder,I'm sorry "share" the burden.With the flood of multi-core CPU topics there are more and more people saying things like "I use my PC for serious work, go home to your games!". Whenever I ask those people it always turns out to be Folding or something similar. Oh come on... I think this really got out of hand lately.
Although I do hope that a geeky teenager running BOINC could, as a result, become involved in science... and maybe get into biology, medicine or physics instead of, for example, becoming another youtube reviewer or PC builder.
I mean, sure, the whole point of scientific distributed computation is that people running nodes don't have to understand what's going on. But I still hope that it at least makes them a little interested. [USER=41983]R-T-B[/USER] said himself that he's not an economist and this is just his view as a BTC user. I think this is fine. Most of people here don't know how a transistor works, but it's not necessary to have an opinion on CPU performance. My knowledge of monetary and financial systems is supposedly pretty substantial. You can chat with me if you want to be humiliated. ;) [QUOTE="yotano211, post: 3689759, member: 103073"] Taking care of 20 mining rigs spread out over 3 houses and 2 states IS A FULLTIME JOB!! (...) So time to bail out when the good is good enough.[/QUOTE] So you totally changed your opinion about mining in like what... a week? I remember talking with you in one of the threads and you seemed like looking forward to doing this until retirement. Also, you wrote that this "is a fulltime job". But if I understand correctly, you have a job as well, right? You had a lot of money to put into mining rigs. In the end, was this profitable? But honestly, taking all costs into consideration (both real and alternative). [QUOTE="cdawall, post: 3689744, member: 28601"]lol I am doing better selling amd cards than mining.[/QUOTE] You're not alone. The best business in the whole mining craze is in selling cards and pre-built rigs. I see offers with home-made rigs that go for 20% premium over the parts used. And they have no warranty other than that for the individual parts (often used).
People (especially those with quantitative background) usually tend to think about ratios like they do about fractions in math. a-to-b or a-b ratio meaning a/b.
This concept is not entirely universal. Quite a lot of people name ratios differently.
The most used term would possibly be "price-to-performance", which is very close to "cost-to-benefit" that @R-T-B uses.
It's not a ratio of a-to-b. It's a ratio of 2 things in some way and to quickly guess which is which you simply have to think, which direction seems "good".
In other words: it's natural for people to think, that an increase is the expected, beneficial direction.
I also tend to think that this reversed naming is popular in US, but I don't have any theory for that - other than the fact that Americans generally like to do things differently.
For example US is the only large country in the world that primarily uses MDY date format (which is unordered just like the discussed ratios, so to speak).
US is also the only developed country that didn't adopt the metric system.
MM/DD/YYYY is because of how dates are properly presented in a sentence: Month Day, Year. It is July 8 (alternatively: "the eighth"), 2017, anno domini. Kind of like how we use commas in numbers to represent pauses in saying it: 1,342 is one thousand, three hundred forty-two.
As for metric, we're free to use whatever tool suits the problem best.
So YYYY/MM/DD and DD/MM/YYYY are ordered in this sense, but MM/DD/YYYY isn't. It simply resembles how Americans present dates in speech.
But using the same form in documents is useful - especially when it can be confusing (days <= 12) - that's why most countries in the world agreed to use a unified system. USA didn't join (along Liberia and Burma).
You can still see country/nation specifics when it comes to how we say dates and even numbers.
For example in Germany 321 is Dreihunderteinundzwanzig, so three hundred one and twenty. :) Actually, no. Poland officially uses the ISO 8601 form: YYYY-MM-DD.
Representing a month as a number wasn't really a thing until computers came along. Hey, we respect our roots! :laugh:
In Poland we would say "8th of July, 2017" and yet we write 2017-07-08. It's really possible! It's an awful vision. Just awful. Have you thought this through? :)
I mean: the world when you can't borrow money, but can only spend what you were paid for your work... how would that even work in XXI century?
How would you pay for any kind of training (from e-learning to PhD) that is supposed to let you earn more in the future?
Removing banking from the system takes as back to times of very strict social segmentation. Times when you really had almost no chance of becoming better educated and richer than your parents.
Anyway. That's how we do it. When asked for date of birth especially. I don't even understand what you mean by that. But like I said. That's how we do it. For date of birth we are expected to state it numerically as DD/MM/YYYY(typically just DD/MM/YY). If you don't then you're the one who's retarded. Because that's not how we're expected to do it. So much so that if you were to state it numerically as MM/DD/YYYY(or MM/DD/YY), or any other numerical way other than DD/MM/YYYY(or DD/MM/YY), then you've technically just lied about you're date of birth.
As you said the human greed is the worst enemy of humanity.
bitcoinworldwide.com/mining/china/
This guy here is paying 1million Euros/moth electricity cost only...: Imagine the profit.
Problem solved...
just wait till tax policy hit all those crazy mining stuff..
I can't effort for it honestly, but I hate it so much at the same time..
I remembered when folding at home came, and it much better for all purposes..
#HumanGreed