MxPhenom 216Except the pmw3366 is just PixArts 3360 sensor branded and only used in Logitech mice. The 3310/3360 from PixArt both have no accel/smoothing at any DPI. The downfall of the 3310 on some implementations is that it doesnt like surfaces with different colors. Works best on all black pads.

That´s false. PMW3360 is not the same as 3366. 3366 was worked between Pixart and Logitech and its main thing is the fact it has no accel/smooth at any DPI level and is also more responsive than any PMW3360.

Also PMW3360 starts to add smoothing after 3200dpi, and you can exactly find that on Nixeus or Roccat POW mice information ("best performance on ranges between 800-3200")

Razer DA Elite/Lancehead TE also featuring that sensor, also have accel after 1800 dpi.

3310 is a smooth/accel galore, this is well known, so you saying "3310 have no accel at any DPI" just shows that Mice sensors are not your strongest thing.

I´m a mice freak, I have as much mice as I can and I test everything. 3366 is the best sensor ever made, almost flawless.

@Manu_PT - I have a crappy Tt esports Talon Blu that needs to be retired (forward/back buttons are getting iffy). I like Logitech products, and almost always use them, not sure why I bought a Thermaltake mouse, but it's only about a year old and already crapping out. As a self-admitted mouse freak, what wired gaming mouse do you recommend, for light gaming and general desktop use? I don't need the best sensor if it adds too much to the price, I'm more interested in longevity and quality materials.

Hood@Manu_PT - I have a crappy Tt esports Talon Blu that needs to be retired (forward/back buttons are getting iffy). I like Logitech products, and almost always use them, not sure why I bought a Thermaltake mouse, but it's only about a year old and already crapping out. As a self-admitted mouse freak, what wired gaming mouse do you recommend, for light gaming and general desktop use? I don't need the best sensor if it adds too much to the price, I'm more interested in longevity and quality materials.

Get a G203, it's cheap, great sensor, very good overall design (same as G-Pro) and very compact, that is if you have a small to medium hand, and you like "shallow" mice. Should be around 30€ in europe, no idea in US, probably 30$ or so

Manu_PTThat´s false. PMW3360 is not the same as 3366. 3366 was worked between Pixart and Logitech and its main thing is the fact it has no accel/smooth at any DPI level and is also more responsive than any PMW3360.

Also PMW3360 starts to add smoothing after 3200dpi, and you can exactly find that on Nixeus or Roccat POW mice information ("best performance on ranges between 800-3200")

Razer DA Elite/Lancehead TE also featuring that sensor, also have accel after 1800 dpi.

3310 is a smooth/accel galore, this is well known, so you saying "3310 have no accel at any DPI" just shows that Mice sensors are not your strongest thing.

I´m a mice freak, I have as much mice as I can and I test everything. 3366 is the best sensor ever made, almost flawless.

Considering I have tested my Rival 300 with the 3310 and my friends G403 with the 3366 at 5 different DPI levels side by side, all the way to the max of each one, and did not notice one mouse having more accel/smoothing than the other. I am not so sure that the 3310 is smooth/accel galore. If the 3310 had that issue, I am pretty sure it wouldnt be in 98% of eSports competitors mice. If the 3310 sensor is an accel galore mouse, then what the hell is the Avago 9800 laser mouse that was in my M65 I had before? That thing had soo much NOTICEABLE acceleration it was ridiculous. Granted its expected since laser mice are typically known for some amount of built in acceleration, more so than optical.

MxPhenom 216Considering I have tested my Rival 300 with the 3310 and my friends G403 with the 3366 at 5 different DPI levels side by side, all the way to the max of each one, and did not notice one mouse having more accel/smoothing than the other. I am not so sure that the 3310 is smooth/accel galore. If the 3310 had that issue, I am pretty sure it wouldnt be in 98% of eSports competitors mice. If the 3310 sensor is an accel galore mouse, then what the hell is the Avago 9800 laser mouse that was in my M65 I had before? That thing had soo much NOTICEABLE acceleration it was ridiculous. Granted its expected since laser mice are typically known for some amount of built in acceleration, more so than optical.

Don't want to sound rude or anything, but the fact you didn't notice it, doesn't really say it's not there, the 3366 is in fact the best sensor on the market no doubt, followed by 3360, 3330(iirc) and 3310, but nobody said the 3310 is a poor sensor, not even Manu_PT thinks it's a bad sensor i guess, but there're better sensors, and logitech is the only one(?) using them currently.

oxidizedDon't want to sound rude or anything, but the fact you didn't notice it, doesn't really say it's not there, the 3366 is in fact the best sensor on the market no doubt, followed by 3360, 3330(iirc) and 3310, but nobody said the 3310 is a poor sensor, not even Manu_PT thinks it's a bad sensor i guess, but there're better sensors, and logitech is the only one(?) using them currently.

That is why i said noticeable. Clearly that doesnt mean its not actually there. Im sure some actual testing protocols and software would be able to find the exact differences, that humans are unable to see. I have heard the 3366 is exclusive to Logitech (might have heard it from Rocket Jump Ninja on youtube, who I think has probably tested more Mice then Manu, and tests them with competitive play in mind primarily which is mostly what I worry about too), so no one else can use it in their mice, unless (assuming?) they shell out some cash.

I do think the G403 is Logitech's best mouse to date for competitive players who don't use mice like the Zowie fk1 style. Safe shape, light weight, Obviously has the 3366 sensor, and good switches. Is close to the optimal 2:1 length to width ratio that is best for aiming.

MxPhenom 216That is why i said noticeable. Clearly that doesnt mean its not actually there. Im sure some actual testing protocols and software would be able to find the exact differences, that humans are unable to see. I have heard the 3366 is exclusive to Logitech (might have heard it from Rocket Jump Ninja on youtube, who I think has probably tested more Mice then Manu, and tests them with competitive play in mind primarily which is mostly what I worry about too), so no one else can use it in their mice, unless (assuming?) they shell out some cash.

I do think the G403 is Logitech's best mouse to date for competitive players who don't use mice like the Zowie fk1 style. Safe shape, light weight, Obviously has the 3366 sensor, and good switches. Is close to the optimal 2:1 length to width ratio that is best for aiming.

Humans are able to see it, just not many of them. The 3366 IS a Logitech exclusive, 3360 is a similar sensor, but 3366 is just better in the end, also rocket jump ninja probably tested many many more mice compared to me, but doesn't say he's right or anything just because he's a quake player, and has tested many mice on quake. Also no, the 3366 shouldn't be open to whoever to adopt, at least not without some agreement with Logitech itself.

I currently am using an EC2-A, but i bought a g403 for my brother and i had the time to use it and tested, it's just another level completely, no doubt it'll be the mouse i'll look to buy first, in case i'd need a replacement, unless someone other comes out with another prodigy engineering, i see no other contender as of now.

RejZoRNever heard of ASTRO. Hm. Oh, console products. That's why...

Actually, it's because they're flaming hot garbage. They adopted the Apple way of doing things taking an okay product price it into stratosphere and claim it's priced that way because it is high quality(they aren't), and pile on the "gaming" celeb endorsements.

TotallyActually, it's because they're flaming hot garbage. They adopted the Apple way of doing things taking an okay product price it into stratosphere and claim it's priced that way because it is high quality(they aren't), and pile on the "gaming" celeb endorsements.

Astro's parent company is Skullcandy, Inc. - flaming hot garbage is an accurate description for their line of colorful dollar store junk...

MxPhenom 216That is why i said noticeable. Clearly that doesnt mean its not actually there. Im sure some actual testing protocols and software would be able to find the exact differences, that humans are unable to see. I have heard the 3366 is exclusive to Logitech (might have heard it from Rocket Jump Ninja on youtube, who I think has probably tested more Mice then Manu, and tests them with competitive play in mind primarily which is mostly what I worry about too), so no one else can use it in their mice, unless (assuming?) they shell out some cash.

I do think the G403 is Logitech's best mouse to date for competitive players who don't use mice like the Zowie fk1 style. Safe shape, light weight, Obviously has the 3366 sensor, and good switches. Is close to the optimal 2:1 length to width ratio that is best for aiming.

oxidizedHumans are able to see it, just not many of them. The 3366 IS a Logitech exclusive, 3360 is a similar sensor, but 3366 is just better in the end, also rocket jump ninja probably tested many many more mice compared to me, but doesn't say he's right or anything just because he's a quake player, and has tested many mice on quake. Also no, the 3366 shouldn't be open to whoever to adopt, at least not without some agreement with Logitech itself.

I currently am using an EC2-A, but i bought a g403 for my brother and i had the time to use it and tested, it's just another level completely, no doubt it'll be the mouse i'll look to buy first, in case i'd need a replacement, unless someone other comes out with another prodigy engineering, i see no other contender as of now.

Well, I can assure you RJN tested way more mice than me, not even comparable, because I have to actually buy them/return/etc ahah. But let me tell you something. I respect RJN a lot! But, there are many things I disagree about him.

I´m a Quake player also and let me tell you quake is not the best game to test a sensor. Why? Because it misses some stuff on its core gameplay. mainly weapon Recoil. While testing flicks with the Rail, tracking with Lightning gun and rocket jump around are 3 awesome tests for sensor performance, the recoil control is really important. People tend to think Quake is the game that needs more aim but I tend to disagree. Is more about movement, timing and prediction than aiming.

Anyway, what I want to assure you is that I really notice the difference between a 3310 and a 3366 accel/smooth wise. 3310 is more unpredictable, if you stick to a 3366 you will notice how much more consistent your shots are because the cursor lands always in the same place if you have that muscle memory. Same goes for tracking, 3366 tracks more pixels at any speed, no skipping at all, while on 3310 I can notice that it skips more. But 3310 is not a bad sensor by any means! Is just that 3366 is too good and depending on the game you play you can really notice it.

I recomend you to buy "Aim Hero", a 5€ game on steam, it only consists of shooting targets in different environments and mini games. Is fun and is awesome for mice testing.

To make it clear, I have nothing against EC2-A or FK2 or some Zowie model. I just think they are overpriced for the materials and tech used. If they had Omron, decent side buttons and 3360 at least, it would be way better. But then again, you have to give a Logitech 3366 sensor many hours of play to reach a conclusion. Can´t really test a mouse in few minutes, not everyone will notice the differences straight away (I can notice, but everyone has different perceptions and play different games).

Manu_PTWell, I can assure you RJN tested way more mice than me, not even comparable, because I have to actually buy them/return/etc ahah. But let me tell you something. I respect RJN a lot! But, there are many things I disagree about him.

I´m a Quake player also and let me tell you quake is not the best game to test a sensor. Why? Because it misses some stuff on its core gameplay. mainly weapon Recoil. While testing flicks with the Rail, tracking with Lightning gun and rocket jump around are 3 awesome tests for sensor performance, the recoil control is really important. People tend to think Quake is the game that needs more aim but I tend to disagree. Is more about movement, timing and prediction than aiming.

Anyway, what I want to assure you is that I really notice the difference between a 3310 and a 3366 accel/smooth wise. 3310 is more unpredictable, if you stick to a 3366 you will notice how much more consistent your shots are because the cursor lands always in the same place if you have that muscle memory. Same goes for tracking, 3366 tracks more pixels at any speed, no skipping at all, while on 3310 I can notice that it skips more. But 3310 is not a bad sensor by any means! Is just that 3366 is too good and depending on the game you play you can really notice it.

I recomend you to buy "Aim Hero", a 5€ game on steam, it only consists of shooting targets in different environments and mini games. Is fun and is awesome for mice testing.

To make it clear, I have nothing against EC2-A or FK2 or some Zowie model. I just think they are overpriced for the materials and tech used. If they had Omron, decent side buttons and 3360 at least, it would be way better. But then again, you have to give a Logitech 3366 sensor many hours of play to reach a conclusion. Can´t really test a mouse in few minutes, not everyone will notice the differences straight away (I can notice, but everyone has different perceptions and play different games).

Zowie's do use Omron switches. They didnt originally though.