Sunday, May 5th 2019

AMD's Zen 2 Threadripper Conspicuously Absent From Company's Latest Roadmaps

We've all taken a look at AMD's March 2019 product roadmap, which showed us the upcoming 2019 tech the company would be bringing to the table in its "non-stop product momentum". However, it seems that this non-stop product momentum might be coming to an unexpected twist of fate that might delay it from entering the last station - the Zen 2-based Threadripper. In the company's latest May earnings call roadmap, the company silently removed the Zen 2 Threadripper from its product roadmap - where it used to sit right after the launch of Zen 2-based Ryzen products for consumers, is now just a big crop of the space it occupied.

This might mean many things, and a mistake on someone's part while cropping the PowerPoint slide could be the only thing going on here. However, the best and most plausible speculation that can be entertained when one considers this is simple - a supply problem. With the 7 nm node being the newest, most dense fabrication process possible, and with AMD having to share TSMC's 7 nm wafer production with a number of high profile companies - such as Qualcomm, for instance - may mean that supply is simply too tight to support Zen 2-based products across so many product stacks - Ryzen and Epyc - at the same time.
Perhaps AMD has delayed manufacturing of Threadripper Zen 2 products until after the initial bout of sales from their upcoming Ryzen 3000 series CPUs fades away, while also allowing for yields to mature and production wrinkles to be ironed out. It would definitely make sense, as Threadripper is definitely the product to cut in such a case - it doesn't carry as much of an impact on AMD's financials and outlook as a deficient Epyc production would bring, and doesn't get in the way of Ryzen 3000 series production to keep on AMD's momentum against Intel's offerings. This definitely does seem like a smart path for AMD to undertake, though it really is a shame that we seemingly won't be looking at a halo product such as the latest gen Threadripper as soon as we thought we might.
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63 Comments on AMD's Zen 2 Threadripper Conspicuously Absent From Company's Latest Roadmaps

#51
IceShroom
Valantar"I disagree slightly with the judgement of the person writing the report, so they obviously are a brainless paid shill." Yeah, that's not how a constructive discussion works. Not to mention that your arguments have been presented previously in this thread by people capable of not being an ass while doing so.
I don't wanted to be an arse, but seeing those deleted quoted comment, that expression came to my mind.
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#52
Hardware Geek
EarthDogI SOOOOOO agree with your first two lines...and then we diverge. :p

I wouldn't have minded if core counts continued to go up slowly... it was a perfect market segmentation to reality ratio... mainstream had up to 6c/12t while HEDT was that and a lot more. Now, most consumers will think it has 'moar corez sew et must bee bet0r'.... and for those who can use them, that is correct. The problem is most users can't and software is still severely behind as well. As I said earlier, at least back in the day with clock speed wars and IPC, that improved everyone's experience regardless. Here, its really an only if they are used type situation.
I completely agree with you that the average consumer won't understand and think that more cores are better without understanding that they would be better off with a faster processor that has less cores. I do however disagree with you that 6 cores are enough. Does the average user need 16 cores and 32 threads? No. But 8 cores should be beneficial to even the average person that has multiple programs running at the same time. My 4 core i7 gets bogged down due to the processor being unable to keep up with everything I have open. I think 8 cores for the average user would be sufficient for a long time and people are replacing computers less frequently than they used to. They don't understand how much faster a modern system is compared to what they have.
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#53
EarthDog
We'll agree to disagree then. 6/12t cpu is plenty for 90% of people, even here. More wouldnt show an improvement for most.
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#54
Hardware Geek
EarthDogWe'll agree to disagree then. 6/12t cpu is plenty for 90% of people, even here. More wouldnt show an improvement for most.
That's okay with me. We are both simply stating opinions so disagreements are bound to happen.
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#55
bogmali
In Orbe Terrum Non Visi
95ViperStay on topic.
Quit bickering.
Trolls leave.
Only and last warning.

Thank You, have a nice, clean, civil discussion on the topic.
Thread bans issued to those who keep trolling
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#56
cucker tarlson
I hope Zen 2 is how AMD starts getting things back to normal,and by that I mean erase the meaning of "HEDT" as Intel shaped it over the years.That sort of performance being available on mainstream platforms will be a great step even if Zen 2 doesn't deliver top gaming experience.
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#57
EarthDog
cucker tarlsonI hope Zen 2 is how AMD starts getting things back to normal,and by that I mean erase the meaning of "HEDT" as Intel shaped it over the years.That sort of performance being available on mainstream platforms will be a great step even if Zen 2 doesn't deliver top gaming experience.
I I don't mind the segmentation. It's a different use model HEDT is intended for. Workstations... not quite server level, but more horsepower/bandwidth/pcie than mainstream/not designed for gaming but still can well, etc. It isn't for everyone and it's setup that way.

Now, the lines are quite blurred with hardware far outpacing software.
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#58
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
I always remember HEDTs from the Pentium 3 Era and up. I remember the Athlon MP motherboards being an Ideal setup with mods to use Athlon XPs. Even FireGLs then were sought after cards.

Opterons and Xeons Come to mind too
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#59
Melvis
Manu_PTYeah let´s all buy HEDT for... Linux. Even better, TR completly obliterates Intel........................

... on MS-DOS.
See now your getting it! :toast:

Its just a known fact that the 32 core threadripper and Windows have issues, its all over the internet, level1techs already proved this and not sure why my post was removed? truth hurts I guess? :wtf:
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#60
DeathtoGnomes
MelvisSee now your getting it! :toast:

Its just a known fact that the 32 core threadripper and Windows have issues, its all over the internet, level1techs already proved this and not sure why my post was removed? truth hurts I guess? :wtf:
yep those issues are because of an incompetent m$.
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#61
jmgbjr
The following is a compelling rumor which gives a sugesstion why no TR3:
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#62
kapqa
i just got an X470 mobo some 1-2 month ago and feel already "boxed" in with 2times pcie3.0x16 + 3times pci3.0x1.
Even if i would put in the New Zen2 or Zen3 Processor, i feel that Threadripper is looming on the horizon.
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#63
kapqa
kapqai just got an X470 mobo some 1-2 month ago and feel already "boxed" in with 2times pcie3.0x16 + 3times pci3.0x1.
Even if i would put in the New Zen2 or Zen3 Processor, i feel that Threadripper is looming on the horizon.
sorry, x470 it is of course 3x pcie3.0x16 + 3xpcie3.0x1 (plus 2x nvme) ... but still feeling it is a bit limited.
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