Manu_PTSo funny you say he makes assumptions based on nothing, but all you did so far was actually making assumptions based on.... Nothing. And your reasons for late AIBs are laughable, like you are trying to make something look normal and perfectly justifiable. Such a joke :) hardware/pc tech isnt clearly your thing.

Don’t you see the difference here? Saying that AMD has bad supply chain and mine deduction from events that took place about a product to get some sort of a conclusion?

Following your premise, AMD states clearly that AIB's make quality checks and tests for all AMD's products. Nvidia doesn't have that statement or AIB obligation to do so in their chain value documentation. It is not a justification I'm just bringing the subject up and statements bad supply chain simply requires proof, which he can't possess because he's not working for sales department and supplier relations at AMD. Which means he can't know that and I'm sure AMD doesn't go around telling everyone of their relations with suppliers etc. My "assumptions" as you said, although I'd rather say conclusion, based on real events about a product are justifiable since this is the information we got directly from AMD. You can draw different conclusions but it should have been based on the same information. You can say, for instance, that AMD is so in New Ryzen release that GPU NAVI release and availability has been suffering impacting this situation but you can't state, this situation is caused by the supply chain or distribution chain if you will, because you don’t have any information about it. The other aspect is, NV's main goal is GPUs. In case of AMD it is CPU's and GPU's. Comparing these two companies by one specific product is wrong.
And this, my friend, is how gossips, hype, unjustified accusations, etc. are being born. Which in my book is malarkey. :)

BTW: This isn't just about PC/Hardware. It is about the company's policies, structure, supplier cooperation, acquisition etc. which involves end product. This can apply to carrots and corn not just PC/Hardware.

ratirtHey smarty pants. :) NV is not AMD. What you are saying is just assumptions based on nothing. You dont know what brass AMD's got in their pockets. The distribution chain is not as NV's is (why would it be? It is a different company with different rules and policies, basically everything is different) and you have no idea what is there actually. If you get Navi, a brand new arch, and we already know AMD has delayed the release, so that can only tell you there were some changes. They wanted to release NAVI this year. Not year to come but this particular one since that was the strategy and NV responses quickly with a counterpart. Due to the delay it might have gotten difficult with the AIB's to get all arranged and apply any changes that had to happen on time and this is what I think it is why the AIB are simply a little bit late with their products. Your distribution chain is such a bull-crap which is beyond believe. You have absolutely know information, no clue and no rational arguments to say that this is distribution chain. For you, it can be bad distribution chain. Where did you get it? Here it comes Vayras86 PBC Special and AMD's distribution chain fix policy. Are you a psychic of some sort? I doubt it.
Just stop dude.

Great story but the gist of it is exactly what I've said it is, just worded differently: bad timing, bad time to market, and a bad planning with the AIB release schemes.

All of them things Nvidia doesn't suffer from, and not just this once, but

every
single
time

I know its hard to see the truth through rose tinted glasses, I'm always there to help with that. You seem to have problems putting two and two together... so in this case, yes, the smart pants are on my butt. I've seen my share of business to know what's what.

Vayra86Great story but the gist of it is exactly what I've said it is, just worded differently: bad timing, bad time to market, and a bad planning with the AIB release schemes.

All of them things Nvidia doesn't suffer from, and not just this once, but

every
single
time

I know its hard to see the truth through rose tinted glasses, I'm always there to help with that. You seem to have problems putting two and two together... so in this case, yes, the smart pants are on my butt. I've seen my share of business to know what's what.

It's not a story but I always cherish listening to your bogus theories. It is kinda amusing, although I don't like your cockiness and attitude and believe me your truth went south like Sherman.
And no, the gist isn't what you exactly said. You said something totally different and point out arguments that are not there or simply you can't know about them. Maybe what you meant is not what you've written here? I've never cared what's on your butt but that for sure ain't pants, shorts tops. I'm not surprised that from the two of you, your pants are the smart ones considering your problem grasping English.
:)

ratirtIt's not a story but I always cherish listening to your bogus theories. It is kinda amusing, although I don't like your cockiness and attitude and believe me your truth went south like Sherman.
And no, the gist isn't what you exactly said. You said something totally different and point out arguments that are not there or simply you can't know about them. Maybe what you meant is not what you've written here? I've never cared what's on your butt but that for sure ain't pants, shorts tops. I'm not surprised that from the two of you, your pants are the smart ones considering your problem grasping English.
:)

Waiting on the substance to prove me wrong. Until then... pointless post.

ratirtWhat a crap you are talking dude. :) I literally fell off my chair here reading this garbage.
NAVI is brand new arch and AIB's need to design their products a bit to make it work and do tests. Super by NV is the same thing with core number boost so it is faster to release it cause AIB manufacturers have everything already.

Learn how to think it really doesn't hurt :)

You act like the board partners didn't know Navi was coming. So I'm not sure what you're thinking about.

JismYou have no idea what you are talking about.

Products need to be 'certified' before release. So if ASUS is going to bring in a custom 5700, their card(s) need to be approved before they could legally enter the market. You dont have to wait 2 months, you can still buy a 5700 on even the website of AMD. Slap on a waterblock or a heatsink of your own and your done.

The VRM is already sufficient enough. You dont need to wait for other brands.

From the cries on social media people buy AMD because they're cheaper. Going out and buying a cooler for yourself to put on just defeats the whole purpose of not buying Nvidia. Since Nvidia performs the same if not better and as many more extra features.

B-RealHahahaha. A troll for sure.

AMD worshippers will only be AMD worshippers. Make excuses forever and ever. I remember when people are telling me to wait for Zen 2 architecture. glad I didn't because I've been enjoying my two gaming computers for the past 4 years. If I wasn't AMD customer the most buy AMD cards to save money buying a car that needs a cooler anyway is defeating the purpose.

yakkAsus might as well not bother at this point.

Actually Asus makes pretty nice-looking cards. If I was interested in Navi which gladly I'm not I would rather have a Strix Edition card. Even the dual OC looks pretty nice.

Asus won't be selling any then. Who cares? Buy an aib that doesn't suck (Vega vrm cooling pad disaster anyone?).

TheGuruStudAsus won't be selling any then. Who cares? Buy an aib that doesn't suck (Vega vrm cooling pad disaster anyone?).

Well the Nvidia cards were fine. Sorry they had to cut corners with AMD to probably be able to make money. I don't know.

I'd like to see a 3 fan 5700 XT hitting 2ghz core stable... for around $450.... that would be a game changer. apparently its very possible according to people who have put waterblocks on 5700's already on youtube.

Hoping Sapphire does a 3 fan one, but knowing them it will be 2 fan cause they are wimps. I will wait for gigabyte windforce in that case.

ASRock prototypes at Computex were mostly 3 fans