Friday, November 8th 2019

AMD Radeon RX 5500 Marketing Sheets Reveal a bit More About the Card

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Marketing material of AMD's upcoming Radeon RX 5500 mid-range graphics cards leaked to the web, providing insights to the product's positioning in AMD's stack. The October 2019 dated document lists out the card's specification, performance relative to a competing NVIDIA product, and a provides a general guidance on what experience to expect form it. To begin with, the RX 5500 desktop graphics card is based on the 7 nm "Navi 14" silicon, and is configured with 22 RDNA compute units, amounting to 1,408 stream processors. The chip features a 128-bit wide GDDR6 memory bus, which is paired with either 4 GB or 8 GB of memory running at 14 Gbps data-rate, yielding 224 GB/s of memory bandwidth. Its GPU clocks are listed as 1670 MHz "gaming," and 1845 MHz boost. The company didn't mention nominal clocks. The typical board power is rated at 110 W, and a single 8-pin PCIe power input is deployed on the reference-design board.

The second slide is where things get very interesting. AMD tabled its product stack, and the RX 570, RX 580, and RX 590 are missing, even as the RX 560 isn't. This is probably a sign of AMD phasing out the Polaris-based 1080p cards in the very near future, and replacing them with the RX 5500, and possibly a better endowed "RX 5500 XT," if rumors of the "Navi 14" featuring more CUs are to be believed. What is surprising about this whole presentation though is that only the "RX 5500" is listed, with the "XT" nowhere in sight. Let's hope the XT version gets released further down the road. In the product stack, the RX 5500 is interestingly still being compared to the GeForce GTX 1650, with no mention of the GTX 1660. This document was probably made when the GTX 1660 Super hadn't launched. A different slide provides some guidance on what kind of experiences to expect from the various cards, rated N/A, good, better, or excellent. According to it, the RX 5500 should provide "excellent" AAA gaming at 1080p, fairly smooth gaming at high settings (graded "better"), "excellent" e-Sports gaming, and "better" 1440p gaming. The card is also "excellent" at all non-gaming graphics, such as watching 4K video, photo/video creator work, game streaming at any resolution, and general desktop use.
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66 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 5500 Marketing Sheets Reveal a bit More About the Card

#1
HD64G
At last we know know that TDP is 110W. Let's see what price the custom 5500XTs will have and when they will get on sale.
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#2
Agent_D
If the performance numbers are accurate, it seems like the 5500 should take a place somewhere between the RX580 and the 1660. Given the TDP, it could come pretty close to performance per watt of the 1660's.
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#3
Daven
I still don't see where you are getting the 8GB version.
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#4
Agent_D
Mark LittleI still don't see where you are getting the 8GB version.
While it doesn't seem to say anything in the linked slides; it wouldn't be out of the question given the 570 and 580 both came in 4GB/8GB flavors even though there was really no need for 8GB variants given they are/were also targeted at the 1080p market.
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#5
Th3pwn3r
The only thing AMD makes are mid range cards and it's sad. There are more than enough of them AMD, how about making something 1080ti/2080/2080ti owners/potential owners might buy...
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#6
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
Looking at the materials, it does look like it's supposed to replace the RX 570, RX 580 & RX 590.

It does look like they left a gap that should be aligning with the GTX 1660 Ti/Super. Maybe a RX 5500 XT with 28 CUs and 8GB 128-bit GDDR6 in the future perhaps?
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#7
_Flare
So the card sits at about 144% of the GTX 1650 across those 15 Games.
That´s about 5-6% slower than a GTX 1660 GDDR5 which runs at about the same 110W in games.
Wich AMD declares as "GPU Power Wattage TBP" where TBP normally should stand for "Total Board Power", if thats the case, than the efficiency is not immensly worse than of a GTX 1660.

RX 5500 likely at about 144%
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#8
Tsukiyomi91
There's a good chance that the 5500XT (if there's a thing) will ship with 8GB. Maybe the 5500 with sell both flavours via AIBs. Performance wise, if it really closes the gap with the 1660 non Ti by at least 5% behind it, chances that many will get the 5500 over the 1660.
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#9
P4-630
Th3pwn3rThe only thing AMD makes are mid range cards and it's sad. There are more than enough of them AMD, how about making something 1080ti/2080/2080ti owners/potential owners might buy...
RX5800 XT perhaps? But it's too late.
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#10
ZoneDymo
Th3pwn3rThe only thing AMD makes are mid range cards and it's sad. There are more than enough of them AMD, how about making something 1080ti/2080/2080ti owners/potential owners might buy...
Are you waiting for an AMD equivalent of those?
Because Im pretty sure its not the most lucrative market segment, makes more sense to make cards where they are now and if you want that kind of performance then...well buy Nvidia.

I mean lets be real, look at the landscape, no prices are being dropped but just new cards are being made to fit every price gap (which is hate with a passion but here we are).
So if AMD makes a competitor it will just be more cards on both sides but nothing will really change, unless they make an amazing card and throw at a normal price but the current climate does not show they would do that.
They had that chance with the 5700(XT) but nope, lets keep that at 400+ dollars.....
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#11
trom89
So the RX5500 will replace the RX570? Specwise it seems similar...
Tsukiyomi91There's a good chance that the 5500XT (if there's a thing) will ship with 8GB. Maybe the 5500 with sell both flavours via AIBs. Performance wise, if it really closes the gap with the 1660 non Ti by at least 5% behind it, chances that many will get the 5500 over the 1660.
Can you please elaborate? the specs are worse than the RX580 (CU's, Mem interface, TFLOP's, etc)
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#12
_Flare
Nvidias move with the 1660 SUPER was exactly what AMD had to wait for, to finalize their 5500XT i believe.
If you take the 144% @22 CU and scale it to 24 CU at same clocks you whould end at about 157% in a perfect world,
but you need to compensate a bit with even higher clocks to get there.
This will cost AMD some efficiency, maybe taking the 5500XT consumption very near the 5700 non-XT, wattage wise, but we´ll see.
I think everything between 120W and 150W is possible for the XT.
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#13
medi01
ZoneDymoAre you waiting for an AMD equivalent of those?
No, he wants to finally switch from "where are AMD cards that are faster than this" to "yes, it is faster, but it's 7nm and it came years later, OMG OMG".
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#14
Valantar
btarunrand possibly a better endowed "RX 5500 XT," if rumors of the "Navi 14" featuring more CUs are to be believed.
@btarunr These aren't rumors. AMD stated outright that the 22-CU OEM 5500 is a cut-down part.
AnandTechDrilling down, according to AMD the RX 5500 Series of cards are not using a fully-enabled Navi 14 GPU. The company isn’t clarifying just what a fully-enabled GPU is, but RX 5500 and its 22 CUs isn’t it. Given what we know about die sizes, AMD couldn’t have fused off too many units here, so it’s a fair assumption that a full Navi 14 GPU will come with 24 or 26 CUs.
trom89So the RX5500 will replace the RX570? Specwise it seems similar...



Can you please elaborate? the specs are worse than the RX580 (CU's, Mem interface, TFLOP's, etc)
The RX 5500 is a Navi card, which dramatically outperforms Polaris and Vega at similar specs. The 40 CU/9.75 TFlop 5700 XT dramatically outperforms the 64 CU/ 12.66 Tflop Vega 64. Spec comparisons are not necessarily valid across architectures.
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#15
HD64G
I would very like to see a 26CU GPU but me thinks that yields could force AMD to sell the 24CUs chip as the 5500XT in order to allow them lower price (maybe a $150 GPU). That would make the low end GPU market crazy for that chip imho.
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#16
Casecutter
First I can ever remember seeing AMD have such a "literature package" like this out front, nice to see. Figure this appears to be perhaps just transcending the RX 590 8Gb. If that's what this could offer for a $180 MSRP I think we finally have the first great "entry" 1440p FreeSync for under $200. That's more of the disrupture in the market than publicizing it as an Excellent 1080p.
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#17
Valantar
CasecutterFirst I can ever remember seeing AMD have such a "literature package" like this out front, nice to see. Figure this appears to be perhaps just transcending the RX 590 8Gb. If that's what this could offer for a $180 MSRP I think we finally have the first great "entry" 1440p FreeSync for under $200. That's more of the disrupture in the market than publicizing it as an Excellent 1080p.
Considering that RX 580s more or less match my Fury X in modern titles and this is going to beat that by a noticeable margin, entry 1440p is entirely fitting, particularly with FreeSync.
HD64GI would very like to see a 26CU GPU but me thinks that yields could force AMD to sell the 24CUs chip as the 5500XT in order to allow them lower price (maybe a $150 GPU). That would make the low end GPU market crazy for that chip imho.
TSMC 7nm is a mature process by now, no reason to expect them to have poor yields at this time. I'd be shocked if less than 80% of dice were error-free. Access to enough production capacity could be more of an issue, but this is a small die, so the die count per wafer should be good.

Here's hoping this launches at around $150. That would be a serious kick in the nuts for the 1650.
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#18
ShurikN
Personally, would like to see the vanila 5500 at $160ish, and the XT at $200. That would give the 1660 stack a run for their money. The stillborn 1650 can't get a price cut soon enough.
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#19
Steevo
Th3pwn3rThe only thing AMD makes are mid range cards and it's sad. There are more than enough of them AMD, how about making something 1080ti/2080/2080ti owners/potential owners might buy...
Well if you want to buy a 1080Ti a 5700 series is a better buy.
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#20
Lionheart
Mark LittleI still don't see where you are getting the 8GB version.
Why wouldn't there be one? :wtf:
Th3pwn3rThe only thing AMD makes are mid range cards and it's sad. There are more than enough of them AMD, how about making something 1080ti/2080/2080ti owners/potential owners might buy...
How about you donate several billion dollars to them & maybe they can put it towards RND then you can have your powerful overpriced AMD competitor.
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#21
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Th3pwn3rThe only thing AMD makes are mid range cards and it's sad. There are more than enough of them AMD, how about making something 1080ti/2080/2080ti owners/potential owners might buy...
They go where the money is.
ValantarConsidering that RX 580s more or less match my Fury X in modern titles and this is going to beat that by a noticeable margin, entry 1440p is entirely fitting, particularly with FreeSync.


TSMC 7nm is a mature process by now, no reason to expect them to have poor yields at this time. I'd be shocked if less than 80% of dice were error-free. Access to enough production capacity could be more of an issue, but this is a small die, so the die count per wafer should be good.

Here's hoping this launches at around $150. That would be a serious kick in the nuts for the 1650.
Well at least you know if the fury dies then you can grab a rx 580 lol
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#22
Th3pwn3r
P4-630RX5800 XT perhaps? But it's too late.
As it was mentioned I think things can be 'helped' through pricing.
ZoneDymoAre you waiting for an AMD equivalent of those?
Because Im pretty sure its not the most lucrative market segment, makes more sense to make cards where they are now and if you want that kind of performance then...well buy Nvidia.

I mean lets be real, look at the landscape, no prices are being dropped but just new cards are being made to fit every price gap (which is hate with a passion but here we are).
So if AMD makes a competitor it will just be more cards on both sides but nothing will really change, unless they make an amazing card and throw at a normal price but the current climate does not show they would do that.
They had that chance with the 5700(XT) but nope, lets keep that at 400+ dollars.....
I'm not waiting, I've had a 1080 for a long time and a 2080ti for a while too. Overall I like AMD more as a company but their performance or lack thereof in terms of their GPU is lame.
medi01No, he wants to finally switch from "where are AMD cards that are faster than this" to "yes, it is faster, but it's 7nm and it came years later, OMG OMG".
Maybe I want to switch from flagship Nvidia cards to flagship AMD cards. We can all complain about the crappy moves AMD and Nvidia made/make. With AMD it's been lackluster delivery/too little too late and with Nvidia they've been milking their cards.
SteevoWell if you want to buy a 1080Ti a 5700 series is a better buy.
I haven't kept up with how well the 5700 has been doing with updates, is it faster than a 1080ti at this point? Last I remember looking it wasn't and for the money wasn't worth it at all from what I remember.
LionheartHow about you donate several billion dollars to them & maybe they can put it towards RND then you can have your powerful overpriced AMD competitor.
No problem, who do I write the check to? I can make a dumb comment too! Anyhow, AMD has already put a lot of money into R&D but like many say, they've fallen way short of expectations.
eidairaman1They go where the money is.
There's plenty of money in the high end gaming scene. More money than brains too!
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#23
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
AMD is not well known to gamers, its why they are going where money is in the mid range.

Who knows AMD may have a 5900XT...
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#24
Lionheart
Th3pwn3rAs it was mentioned I think things can be 'helped' through pricing.





I'm not waiting, I've had a 1080 for a long time and a 2080ti for a while too. Overall I like AMD more as a company but their performance or lack thereof in terms of their GPU is lame.


Maybe I want to switch from flagship Nvidia cards to flagship AMD cards. We can all complain about the crappy moves AMD and Nvidia made/make. With AMD it's been lackluster delivery/too little too late and with Nvidia they've been milking their cards.


I haven't kept up with how well the 5700 has been doing with updates, is it faster than a 1080ti at this point? Last I remember looking it wasn't and for the money wasn't worth it at all from what I remember.

No problem, who do I write the check to? I can make a dumb comment too! Anyhow, AMD has already put a lot of money into R&D but like many say, they've fallen way short of expectations.




There's plenty of money in the high end gaming scene. More money than brains too!
"Dumb comment too" But you already did originally lol
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#25
Mouth of Sauron
I'm wondering... Why 4Gb is dominating? Someone tested how much memory modern games use, and result was 'about 4Gb' in 1080 and 'mostly over 4Gb' in 1440. This trend always goes up. I have RX580 and check memory utilization from time to time - 5-6Gb isn't rare and I'm not exactly playing most demanding games. On aggregate test above, it appears +14% over 4Gb variant. I'd never go 4Gb way.
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