All core? More like 1 core, 3 cores at 2557 MHz, and the rest pegged at 2182 MHz. Though, being able to hit this high of a frequency with 32 cores enabled, is a feat. Also, southbridge X570??

The northbridge is the CPU.
OH wait, right, why 570?

fancuckerThey need this promotional stuff to compensate for the clock freq deficit and capture mindshare. Especially after the shambolic power plan and boostgate

Intel fanboy detected. Enjoy your 10980XE slower than the 7000 HEDT series.

the clock deficit don't effect the per core performance, zen-3000 cores 4200 mhz it's equal to 9900KH at 5000 mhz, mybe becuase it have more than 10 times more cache xD and a few other thing like improve latencies
what is mega lol is the name starship xD with this thing you can realy build your own NASA :)

All core? More like 1 core, 3 cores at 2557 MHz, and the rest pegged at 2182 MHz.

you have to understand it not possible what you whant :x the mosfet, caps and even resistor and even the conduits iteselfs would burn out from this :x that the problem
if you prime95 a processor like this (even old version without AVX) it will blow, on 4200 it reach 74 C with water, what you think hapen with this more than 5000 ?

Holy carp!

Manoathe clock deficit don't effect the per core performance, zen-3000 cores 4200 mhz it's equal to 9900KH at 5000 mhz, mybe becuase it have more than 10 times more cache xD and a few other thing like improve latencies
what is mega lol is the name starship xD with this thing you can realy build your own NASA :)

That's my issue with the AMD design approach. Let's just increase the FPU EUs, uOP cache, L3 cache etc, no sophistication just brute force thanks to the process shrink. Look at Sunny Coves 18% uplift through more conservative but intelligent changes and the 10th gen focus on a performance shift on 4/6 cores at an entirely new power envelope. AMD is relentlessly pushing an archaic design scheme all the way to zen 4 and 5nm

I can't blame their chiplet/core focus because they need the server money. Nice of them to benefit consumers as well. The 3600 is a very good chip.

Hmmm..

5.75 GHz at 1.1v ?

Berfs1All core? More like 1 core, 3 cores at 2557 MHz, and the rest pegged at 2182 MHz. Though, being able to hit this high of a frequency with 32 cores enabled, is a feat. Also, southbridge X570??

Take a walk around HWBOT Cinebench scores with around 5.3 Ghz OC TR 3970's.

It is indeed insane. Just a bit shy of 64C Rome.

CrackongHmmm..

5.75 GHz at 1.1v ?

Exactly. 5.75 Ghz and 1.1V? That is incredible.

fancuckerThat's my issue with the AMD design approach. Let's just increase the FPU EUs, uOP cache, L3 cache etc, no sophistication just brute force thanks to the process shrink. Look at Sunny Coves 18% uplift through more conservative but intelligent changes and the 10th gen focus on a performance shift on 4/6 cores at an entirely new power envelope. AMD is relentlessly pushing an archaic design scheme all the way to zen 4 and 5nm

I can't blame their chiplet/core focus because they need the server money. Nice of them to benefit consumers as well. The 3600 is a very good chip.

You have no idea what you are talking about but keep going :)
I mean archaic design? That is damn rich I literally fell from a chair :)

fancuckerThey need this promotional stuff to compensate for the clock freq deficit and capture mindshare. Especially after the shambolic power plan and boostgate

Intel fanboy not happy he got THREADRIPPED to SHREADS:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

ratirtExactly. 5.75 Ghz and 1.1V? That is incredible.


You have no idea what you are talking about but keep going :)
I mean archaic design? That is damn rich I literally fell from a chair :)

Besides the improved prefetcher show me any changes that aren't basically beefier memory subsystem, cache or ALU units. Anything that isn't low hanging fruit for a new process.

fancuckerBesides the improved prefetcher show me any changes that aren't basically beefier memory subsystem, cache or ALU units. Anything that isn't low hanging fruit for a new process.

Well you said archaic about Ryzen where the CPU's first iteration was released 2 years ago. Now you have gen 10 Intel which is basically refresh of a refreshed refresh and this is supposed to bring something new? If you count meaningful changes in Intel's CPUs arch over the decade, we should end up with gen 3 now I suppose. Actually the only new stuff was the Skylake-x with its mesh arch which is pretty cool in my opinion. All other is basically same stuff, bump in frequency and cache added AVX 512 and that is mostly all. 10 gen is slower than 9th 9980XE probably due to security mitigations bringing nothing new to the table and it costs a lot still. Yet this is new in your opinion?
You get why people call you a fanboy now?

a $2000 chip hitting those speeds with an LN2 evaporator is a new record imo.

That voltage is incorrect.

I want this done with the new Athlons, would be more interesting.

fancuckerBesides the improved prefetcher show me any changes that aren't basically beefier memory subsystem, cache or ALU units. Anything that isn't low hanging fruit for a new process.

Me I just point to the performance and the power it uses for it, and Zen (especially 2) definitely delivers.

The voltage value must be incorrect, I guess because the brand new board is not yet mapped correctly by cpu-z
We will see correct readings after the next updates - hopefully

I would like to see nudeCNC make a direct die contact waterblock for these beasts...
It would help a lot... such a big heat spreader and dies all over the place have to be some sort of a heat trap at some point.
Liquid metal would help but still...

That is absolutely insane I wish I could justify to myself to get one of these chips but my wife would not be too pleased.

Much more interesting than those records few years ago which were achieved by disabling cores and HT. Just wondering that why the bus isn't stable 100MHz? My B450 + R5 2600 does the same.

ratirtI mean archaic design?

Sunny cove is technically newer, but Ryzen is more forward thinking, really. Any Ryzen. Sunny Cove is still stuck in monolithic land and gaming will be the only place they'll win with that deck of cards until it all eventually falls down...

ratirtWell you said archaic about Ryzen where the CPU's first iteration was released 2 years ago. Now you have gen 10 Intel which is basically refresh of a refreshed refresh and this is supposed to bring something new? If you count meaningful changes in Intel's CPUs arch over the decade, we should end up with gen 3 now I suppose. Actually the only new stuff was the Skylake-x with its mesh arch which is pretty cool in my opinion. All other is basically same stuff, bump in frequency and cache added AVX 512 and that is mostly all. 10 gen is slower than 9th 9980XE probably due to security mitigations bringing nothing new to the table and it costs a lot still. Yet this is new in your opinion?
You get why people call you a fanboy now?

I mean, Nehalem to Sandy Bridge was a leap.

Haswell was kinda a leap but took time to show it's stuff.

Skylake was a minor improvement.

I'm counting like 2.5 gens in there (3.5 if you count Sunny Coves release)

It's like Intel took 10 years to do the Ryzen lineups progress since inception.

[XC] Oj101That voltage is incorrect.

Did you know that once you put a chip under LN2, power consumption of that chip drops significant compared to running on air or water?

btarunrWrap your head around a 32-core/64-thread HEDT processor with a mental 5.752 GHz overclock.

its one core...you are aware your words infer all cores/threads, yes?

JismDid you know that once you put a chip under LN2, power consumption of that chip drops significant compared to running on air or water?

That doesnt mean it is correct. Even with one core and under ln2, this is surely not reading the right thing. ;)

Dave65Intel fanboy not happy he got THREADRIPPED to SHREADS:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Not spelling shreds correctly really takes some thunder away here... :p

Well i think it is correct, these are 7nm chips and heat density is a huge issue on these things. The lower you can put the voltage, the lower it's consumption will be. Add LN2 on top of that and the power requirement for the chip drops as well.

JismWell i think it is correct, these are 7nm chips and heat density is a huge issue on these things. The lower you can put the voltage, the lower it's consumption will be. Add LN2 on top of that and the power requirement for the chip drops as well.

I agree on the fundamentals. But I dont care how cold it is, a chip that runs 4.3 GHz at 1.3V or greater, cant run 5.7 GHz at .2 less V even under ln2...not even close.

Here's a link from hwbot with similar clocks showing a more appropriate voltage for the cpu and clocks. You are drastically overestimating the value of the die shrink compared to how these cpus scale. They are pretty much tapped as is.
hwbot.org/submission/4288762_keeph8n_cpu_frequency_ryzen_threadripper_3970x_5524.31_mhz

I cant find a proper article that goes into all that, but ive found some interesting stuff:

Furthermore, there’s a relationship between CPU temperature and power consumption; a chip clocked at 5.5GHz with liquid nitrogen uses less power than a hypothetical CPU clocked at that speed with a conventional air-cooler. The fact that a 1.65x increase in clock (from 3.4 – 5.6GHz) send power consumption flying upwards to over a kilowatt, in an ideal scenario that intrinsically lowered the CPU’s power consumption by reducing resistance within the core, is evidence for why Intel and AMD don’t pursue high clock speeds the way they used to. Past a certain point, it’s no longer possible to move heat out of the die quickly enough with conventional air or even water cooling. There have been various proposals to move heat out of CPUs more effectively, from micro-channels in thermal paste, to microfluidic cooling, to introducing cubic boron arsenide as a heat-transporting material.

Source: www.extremetech.com/computing/256623-liquid-nitrogen-drives-18-core-core-i9-7980xe-6ghz

I think derbauer once showed a video in where the power requirement would drop once going below zero in temps. Remember this all core OC is a working one (thats stable) and not a suicide run with highest possible clock on whatever voltage you throw at it.