Friday, April 24th 2020
AMD "Renoir" Successor is "Cézanne," Powered by "Zen 3" and RDNA2
AMD's 7 nm "Renoir" silicon breathed life into the notebook processor market, by bringing 8-core/16-thread CPU performance into segments Intel reserved for 4-core/8-thread; and beat Intel in the iGPU performance front. 7 nm brought performance-Watt uplifts that spell serious competition for Intel across all notebook form factors, be it 15 W or 45 W. According to _rogame, who has a knack of getting far-out hardware rumors right, AMD has its successor on the drawing-board, and it's codenamed "Cézanne," after the French post-impressionist painter Paul Cézanne.
"Cézanne" could prove vital for AMD's foothold in the premium mobile computing segments as Intel is preparing to launch its 10 nm+ "Tiger Lake" processor soon, with advanced "Willow Cove" CPU cores, and Xe based integrated graphics. AMD plans to tap into its very latest IP. Although its core-count is not known, "Cézanne" will feature CPU cores based on the latest "Zen 3" microarchitecture. The iGPU will receive its biggest performance uplift in 3 generations, with an iGPU based on the cutting-edge RDNA2 graphics architecture that meets DirectX 12 Ultimate logo requirements.
AMD is tapping into a refined 7 nm-class node by TSMC - either N7P or N7+ - for its "Zen 3" and RDNA2 architectures, so it's likely that Cézanne will be based on the same node as the CCDs on "Vermeer." AMD will create 15 W and 45 W product lines based on "Cézanne," so it can fight "Tiger Lake" on both segments. There's no word on launch date, but with Intel planning to debut "Tiger Lake" in mid-2020, and AMD planning to debut "Zen 3" in the 2H-2020, a 2020-21 launch window seems probable.
Source:
_rogame (Twitter)
"Cézanne" could prove vital for AMD's foothold in the premium mobile computing segments as Intel is preparing to launch its 10 nm+ "Tiger Lake" processor soon, with advanced "Willow Cove" CPU cores, and Xe based integrated graphics. AMD plans to tap into its very latest IP. Although its core-count is not known, "Cézanne" will feature CPU cores based on the latest "Zen 3" microarchitecture. The iGPU will receive its biggest performance uplift in 3 generations, with an iGPU based on the cutting-edge RDNA2 graphics architecture that meets DirectX 12 Ultimate logo requirements.
34 Comments on AMD "Renoir" Successor is "Cézanne," Powered by "Zen 3" and RDNA2
Launch in January - March 2021 will be good.
So lovely and nice :love:
www.guru3d.com/news-story/next-generation-apus-from-amd-will-be-code-named-c%C3%A9zanne.html
They were presumably launched 5 weeks ago along with the H series which is great but the least interesting part of the entire Renoir lineup since the H series will all likely be paired with dGPUs.
The whole point of APUs is the integrated graphics for slim laptops and we've all been waiting since Zen2 launched almost 10 months ago for the same 7nm APUs for power saving and vastly improved performance.
Laptops outsell desktops almost five to one. AMD have screwed up by delaying this long and despite COVID, they chose to lead with their best, newest APU in a model that had no need for tight TDPs, no LPDDR4 to give the APU the crucial extra bandwidth that single-handedly deterimines the performance of the integrated Vega graphics.
"Here's our latest APU designed for LPDDR4-boosted graphics performance at 15W. It's going to be showcased in this hamstrung variant that:
- isn't 15W
- doesn't' use our APU's graphics
- doesn't have LPDDR4
I hope you like seeing how Zen2 performs, even though you've all seen that in thousands of reviews over the last 10 months"That's how I see the 4800H launch, anyway.
You can have it next business day even, assuming you live in the US.
www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/IdeaPad-5-15ARE05/p/88IPS501393
Probably even more so than desktop if this does have RDNA2.
Are we 100% sure that's accurate? Smells an awful lot like a website error that Lenovo have made before because they change the specs for a new revision without renaming the product itself. They also call things differently in each market, and there's some overlap between Thinkbook, Ideapad, Yoga, Flex depending on your region.
I'm currently subscribed to Lenovo's stock notifier for every Ryzen 4000-series they are offering on their website and have been since mid-february. So far not a peep from any of them, because the instant one is avaible in Europe with either a UK or International keyboard, I'm buying at least 10, maybe more.
Lenovo seems to be busy changing the naming scheme on a lot of products, while also introducing new models altogether, which might be why there's some confusion as to what is what.
I wouldn't worry too much. Tiger Lake U probably won't be available before August. They have time.But do they ship the H SoCs already?
If you look here:
uk.store.asus.com/laptops/gaming-series.html
All Zen2 laptops have estimated delivery dates set for May, June or unknown.
www.lenovo.com/de/de/laptops/ideapad/s-series/IdeaPad-5-15ARE05/p/81YQCTO1WWDEDE1
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For what it's worth, I built a 3900X the other week and installed Ryzen master to check PBO and TDP were configured sensibly for 24/7 rendering at low noise levels before shipping it off. I ended up playing with the cTDP in the BIOS (an MSI Mortar MAX) and decided that a 3900X can actually get reasonable performance at 50W configured, with Ryzen master reporting 3.1-3.4GHz across all cores in a 24-thread stress test.
(No, I did not ship it off like this, I set it to 125W)
Nothing is actually out in the wild yet except the H-series which have been in the hands of many reviewers (at least a dozen different youtube reviews and another dozen website reviews so far). A couple of Zephyrus popped up on eBay that I saw from Reddit, and I'd have to guess that Asus made maybe a 1000 or so with an early, pre-COVID shipment of HS-series for reviewers and dumped the rest into the channel for scalpers to fight over.I was referring solely to the Renoir H-series vs desktop Ryzen 3000-series comparison I'd made in the previous sentence.
I was not stating that only the HS Renoir variants support LPDDR4/X. I'll edit to clarify....
Would have waited longer for the other 4000 series chips but she had to submit the receipt for a tech bursary from her university.