I never thought I would spend this much on a graphics card but



as long as I can get one for msrp anyway...

This will bite them in the ass eventually, with no one being able to upgrade, developers will hold back graphics to the level of gtx 1060 for many many years, sure there will be the occasional super sponsored title that needs to sell GPU's but the majority will need to have average graphics.
So if you have something in the range of 1060 you are fine for a long time, no need to upgrade.

trog100it does tend to suggest that all the hate directed at crypto miners is somewhat misplaced though.. :)

trog

Indeed. It's honestly surprising how many people just....forget there's a major worldwide panic going on, and shipping ANYTHING from china is a massive PITA right now, and has been for months. Gamers NExus has done several videos on the challenges associated with international shipping right now, hell members of TPU that work in the industry have detailed how slow some shipping has become.

Then there's the shortages of substrates, water shortages in thailand, and 7nm production bottlenecks. Everything from AMD is out of stock, and miners are not using them. I've yet to see a picture of a single miner farm using AMD hardware. It isn tjust miners doing this.

But no, it's all the miners fault.

LuminescentThis will bite them in the ass eventually, with no one being able to upgrade, developers will hold back graphics to the level of gtx 1060 for many many years, sure there will be the occasional super sponsored title that needs to sell GPU's but the majority will need to have average graphics.
So if you have something in the range of 1060 you are fine for a long time, no need to upgrade.

You'd be fine anyway. Most of this power is targeted at 4k, and somewhat less 1440p. My vega 64 still runs fine maxed out at 1440p and that's only 1080 level. If you dont need ultra everything and max AA then even the 980 can still hand at 1080p.

Graphics have long hit the point of good enough, and newer hardware is focused on higher framerates at high resolution. IF you are still gaming at 60 FPS then you really dont NEED that newer hardware. It's FOMO at its finest.

thinking long term supply aint gonna meet demand for a long time.. at least not at the prices expected by the average gamer.. so what happens next..

at present ebay seems to be the only free market price discovery mechanism.. the average gamer does seem somewhat shocked at this even if it is the way the world works..

the ebay price for readily available but mining gimped 3060 in the UK seems to be around £700 quid.. i would guess about the same in the US but in dollars.. UK prices carry 20% tax..

the bottom line for gamer or miner seem to be.. pay the going price or go without..

at present i have a spare 2080 ti card sat on my table.. when i get round to doing it.. it will go on ebay.. i recon it should fetch £1150 quid.. which is about £100 more than the 3080 card i bought about five weeks back.. :)

trog

I'll bet you the crypto lock will be broken within a day.

Nvidia are just going to have to accept these will sell like hot cakes and make them loads of money.

Because nobody has ever flashed their VBIOS before :rolleyes:

qubitI'll bet you the crypto lock will be broken within a day.

If specific crypto are really about giving everyone the opportunity to mine with a GPU, all they'd need to do is adjust their algorithm, or change the name of their binaries, basically counter whatever way nvidia is using to detect specific algorithms. It will just end in another cat and mouse game like copy protection.

CrAsHnBuRnXpI want my new video card.

Ultimately it will become glaringly clear that the entire 3000 series GPU debacle including the shortages was all about the money and profits. Latest NVIDIA record quarterly revenue $5 billion, up 61% year on year. Company full-year revenue up 53%. And all of this even without having sold about 90% of guaranteed sales inventories (3000 series cards) to people virtually staying in line with cash in their hands begging for such sales. Life continues to be very good for NVIDIA.

Perhaps the people waiting in line now with cash in their hands should buy NVIDIA stock instead and sell later this year around December? With the profits made and those then deducted from the MSRP of GPU's proffered at that time, one may be lucky to landing a 3080ti at the price now being estimated it will then or ultimately be marketed for? One of the Bangladesh boys at our local stripcenter PC shop said: "You have to have patience my friend, it will save you money and aggravation. Besides the cash is better in your pocket then with NVIDIA. Remember though the pricing for GPU's will only go one way and that is up."

CrAsHnBuRnXpCrypto currency needs to die so this mining shit can stop. I want my new video card.

^^This

BlueberriesBecause nobody has ever flashed their VBIOS before :rolleyes:

Most newer stuff has checks to make sure a bios is valid or unmodified, or they are encrypted. There hasn't been an nvidia bios editor in a while now for that reason. Unless you are gonna hex edit and directly program ICs, and risk ruining your expensive GPU...

CrAsHnBuRnXpI want my new video card.

Ultimately it will become glaringly clear that the entire 3000 series GPU debacle including the shortages was all about the money and profits. Latest NVIDIA record quarterly revenue $5 billion, up 61% year on year. Company full-year revenue up 53%. And all of this even without having sold about 90% of guaranteed sales inventories (3000 series cards) to people virtually staying in line with cash in their hands begging for such sales. Life continues to be very good for NVIDIA.

Perhaps the people waiting in line now with cash in their hands should buy NVIDIA stock instead and sell later this year around December? With the profits made and those then deducted from the MSRP of GPU's proffered at that time, one may be lucky to landing a 3080ti at the price now being estimated it will then or ultimately be marketed for? One of the Bangladesh boys at our local stripcenter PC shop said: "You have to have patience my friend, it will save you money and aggravation. Besides the cash is better in your pocket then with NVIDIA. Remember though the pricing for GPU's will only go one way and that is up."

fynxerHashrate limiter is just a gimmick from Nvidia.

AMD now has stated that they have no plans for a hashrate limiter so it is just a matter of time before Nvidia anonymously "leaks" a work around to keep miners buying the cards. This way they will look like the good guy and still make all that juicy money from the miners.

End of the day Nvidia is only interested in their bottom line, do not fall for the PR crap "We care about gamers" they are trying to feed the world. They never did before and will not in the future. Nvidia will trample down anybody to make an extra buck even gamers.

You write like all miners have lots of juiced up juicy money. Nvidia makes lots of other products besides graphics cards for gamers. There is a world wide silicon shortage.

No matter what way they go there will always be whiners .... Gamers complain about the high price of new cards when gamers are the major cause of the high prices. Every time a new card comes out they are employing shopping bots and staying up late at night trying to snag a new card ... why ? Well 1) miners are snapping up the new cards.... and when a company comes out and says, we going to to gimp the cards to make them less attractive to minters, they are against that. The other reasion 2) is, in the instagram era, ones social status and sense of wealth is tied to having the latest and greatest, phone, GFX card and new gadget. We told our users back year ago ... hold off till sanity re-emerges.

Oh and the profits oriented whiners .... try and understand that company officers are legally required to maximize profits. That's like complaining about a shark that "eats things". Go to fish market .... fish that are commomplace are cheap ... and they gotta sell them before they go bad. Fish that are out of season or just a low harvest week cost more. Don't like the cost for swordfish ? ... don't buy it .... when it sits on the shelves, the prices will drop. Everybody is trying to keep the doors open and in a pandemic thats harder. If you are sellng X number of cards a week, you can live with a Y % markup .... when ya sellong 20% of X to pay the bills, you need to charge 5 times as much. But when they stop selling, the doors close so taking a loss is better than closing the doors.

Since GFX cards became a thing, there have always been workstation cards and gaming cards .... same hardware different firmware and drivers. Making separate cards gamers and other commerical oriented users is the historical norm, not a new thing.

Should AMD follow suit or are AMD cards already crippled for mining?

DivergeIf specific crypto are really about giving everyone the opportunity to mine with a GPU, all they'd need to do is adjust their algorithm, or change the name of their binaries, basically counter whatever way nvidia is using to detect specific algorithms. It will just end in another cat and mouse game like copy protection.

Exactly. Couldn’t agree more.

Detecting the algorithm is not like a switch.

What is this large gap between the 3080 and 3090 are they talking about?

DivergeIf specific crypto are really about giving everyone the opportunity to mine with a GPU, all they'd need to do is adjust their algorithm, or change the name of their binaries, basically counter whatever way nvidia is using to detect specific algorithms. It will just end in another cat and mouse game like copy protection.

Except that you can't change the algorithm. There aren't many ways to generate a hash, it's a math formula.

lemkeantI wonder how crippled? Even 50% is going to be 50-ish Mh/s, and a price/performance isnt going to make sense, but miners will still buy it I'd bet

Miners have no reason not to buy it, they already cracked the 3060, and even if they can't be bothered to remove the limits, the card only detects ETH, they can mine all the other coins as they please.

MescalambaI kinda wonder if they are sure impact will be only for mining. Will see.

the driver can override it, if it blocks something they want to work

toilet pepperWhat is this large gap between the 3080 and 3090 are they talking about?

It was talking about the large difference in price.

John NaylorNo matter what way they go there will always be whiners .... Gamers complain about the high price of new cards when gamers are the major cause of the high prices. Every time a new card comes out they are employing shopping bots and staying up late at night trying to snag a new card ... why ? Well 1) miners are snapping up the new cards.... and when a company comes out and says, we going to to gimp the cards to make them less attractive to minters, they are against that. The other reasion 2) is, in the instagram era, ones social status and sense of wealth is tied to having the latest and greatest, phone, GFX card and new gadget. We told our users back year ago ... hold off till sanity re-emerges.

Oh and the profits oriented whiners .... try and understand that company officers are legally required to maximize profits. That's like complaining about a shark that "eats things". Go to fish market .... fish that are commomplace are cheap ... and they gotta sell them before they go bad. Fish that are out of season or just a low harvest week cost more. Don't like the cost for swordfish ? ... don't buy it .... when it sits on the shelves, the prices will drop. Everybody is trying to keep the doors open and in a pandemic thats harder. If you are sellng X number of cards a week, you can live with a Y % markup .... when ya sellong 20% of X to pay the bills, you need to charge 5 times as much. But when they stop selling, the doors close so taking a loss is better than closing the doors.

Since GFX cards became a thing, there have always been workstation cards and gaming cards .... same hardware different firmware and drivers. Making separate cards gamers and other commerical oriented users is the historical norm, not a new thing.

People dont know but some time over 90+(-)years ago, lobsters where so abundant in the ocean that is was considered poor people's food and giving freely to prisoners. Today, lobster is considered more of a luxury for higher income folks since its been so over fished in most areas.

VerpalIf NVIDIA leaks the code intentionally whose gonna buy their CMP line?
Not saying leaks won't happen, just saying if it did happen it would not be in NVIDIA's interest.

CMP is a load of shyt... there is absolutely no resale value on it.. Miners already dont want it since they cant offload it later at a reasonable price.. Nvidia want to sell off CMP because of the no resale value so it doesnt affect future product prices that would be the only reason they dont leak the code ;)

CMP just takes usable chips away from real cards...

LjMjollnirCMP is a load of shyt... there is absolutely no resale value on it.. Miners already dont want it since they cant offload it later at a reasonable price.. Nvidia want to sell off CMP because of the no resale value so it doesnt affect future product prices that would be the only reason they dont leak the code ;)

CMP just takes usable chips away from real cards...

Mining cards are real cards. Nvidia is also trying to cater to the mining market.

yotano211Mining cards are real cards. Nvidia is also trying to cater to the mining market.

Exactly they are "real" but have no video output... so the Factories that make chips can only make so many a year right.. you with me here ???....
ANY chip that is being used in a Mining Card is a Chip that is NOT going into a gaming card... Still with me ???

Nvidia is trying to make more money.. they DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT where the money comes from ;)... if they can sell a Miner card that has NO resell value and therefore cannot affect Future Card sales they dont care about gamers ;)...

Any miner card is just waste... a Gamer card being used as a mining card will eventually sold and some lucky gamer will get a decent card cheaply secondhand... which also helps to drive down the value of New cards as there is less demand...

CMP that doesnt happen... CMP is REALLY bad for gamers.... and pretty bad for Miners (no resell value)

www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-cmp-graphics-card-availability-geforce/

LjMjollnirExactly they are "real" but have no video output... so the Factories that make chips can only make so many a year right.. you with me here ???....
ANY chip that is being used in a Mining Card is a Chip that is NOT going into a gaming card... Still with me ???

Nvidia is trying to make more money.. they DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT where the money comes from ;)... if they can sell a Miner card that has NO resell value and therefore cannot affect Future Card sales they dont care about gamers ;)...

Any miner card is just waste... a Gamer card being used as a mining card will eventually sold and some lucky gamer will get a decent card cheaply secondhand... which also helps to drive down the value of New cards as there is less demand...

CMP that doesnt happen... CMP is REALLY bad for gamers.... and pretty bad for Miners (no resell value)

www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-cmp-graphics-card-availability-geforce/

They're placing new orders for old designs on old nodes at old fab plants.
These die orders would never have been placed otherwise.
These mining GPU's were never going to exist for regular GPUs. Back off on the condescending attitude, you posted a link that literally says your view is backwards.