amd oven series. these run so hot they need water cooling.

btarunrThere's no word on when this launches.

Q4 2034

I hope they used liquid metal TIM since it's nickel-plated? If not, shame!

voltageamd oven series. these run so hot they need water cooling.

uhm ?
last time I checked a normal gpu cooler at 1200 rpm cools this nicely

voltageamd oven series. these run so hot they need water cooling.

Um, can't you find factory water cooled models for every high end chip?

voltageamd oven series. these run so hot they need water cooling.

stop being so silly

ZoneDymostop being so silly

His main objective on this forum is to talk smack about any AMD product no matter what it is.

Until I have one installed in my rig, these are moar vaporware as far as I am concerned :D

I am so done with GPU product announcements until 2022, unless it's Intel declaring mass availability of their new dGPU lineup.

Neither AMD nor Nvidia care about the sub-$400 market right now. The 3060 is a farce that's so heavily cut down it's barely able to pull a couple of percent ahead of its preceeding 2060S, and that was already a very poorly recieved generation that most people skipped on account of terrible performance per dollar, broken promises, and widespread recommendations to wait a generation from independent reviewers.
AMD haven't even bothered making anything at all. The 6700XT is priced like it's still flagship silicon despite being a cut-down budget offering. The high-end only-end is all selling for well north of $1000 anyway because MSRP is a joke right now.

Every GPU announcement is a diamond-encrusted, platinum-plated special edition that costs silly amounts more than model it's based on which is already overpriced to the point of irrelevance and unobtainable, just to rub salt in the wound. Today's flavour of this obscene idol-worship is an impossible-to-buy, watercooled, special-bin of a special-bin of an already very expensive and exclusive XTXH part commanding a "screw you" pricetag designed solely to extract maximum profit out of extremely wealthy brand fanboys. The price is "if you have to ask, the answer is GTFO, pleb" and availability hasn't been announced because these are going out solely via the black market direct to scalpers via their corrupt distribution agents.

2017 was the last time there was a decent mainstream GPU worth buying. Steve from GN recently did a relative price breakdown of all recent GPUs and both AMD and Nvidia are very guilty of just abandoning the mainstream segment that most people rely on (and where brand loyalties are built) altogether. That'll come back to bite them both in the ass, hard, and I for one will have zero sympathy for them when it does. I sure as hell won't be forgetting this torrent of partner-level press-releases that are literal insults to their key customers: "Hey, we know you want a graphics card but you can't have one. We're too busy printing money with these obnoxiously-overdone special editions that are even harder to buy and even more eye-wateringly overpriced than the stuff we're already taking the piss with. Have a great day and don't forget to like, subscribe, and sign over all of your personal information by registering into our to our marketing email bombardment channel disguised as an exclusive club where we hold an occasional GPU lottery and toss table scraps of our production at you for PR reasons"

Whoops, that was salty. Glad I have a couple of decent GPUs. Imagine how much I'd be frothing at the mouth if I was rocking a GTX 970 or something :\

Chrispy_I am so done with GPU product announcements until 2022, unless it's Intel declaring mass availability of their new dGPU lineup.

Neither AMD nor Nvidia care about the sub-$400 market right now. The 3060 is a farce that's so heavily cut down it's barely able to pull a couple of percent ahead of its preceeding 2060S, and that was already a very poorly recieved generation that most people skipped on account of terrible performance per dollar, broken promises, and widespread recommendations to wait a generation from independent reviewers.
AMD haven't even bothered making anything at all. The 6700XT is priced like it's still flagship silicon despite being a cut-down budget offering. The high-end only-end is all selling for well north of $1000 anyway because MSRP is a joke right now.

Every GPU announcement is a diamond-encrusted, platinum-plated special edition that costs silly amounts more than model it's based on which is already overpriced to the point of irrelevance and unobtainable, just to rub salt in the wound. Today's flavour of this obscene idol-worship is an impossible-to-buy, watercooled, special-bin of a special-bin of an already very expensive and exclusive XTXH part commanding a "screw you" pricetag designed solely to extract maximum profit out of extremely wealthy brand fanboys. The price is "if you have to ask, the answer is GTFO, pleb" and availability hasn't been announced because these are going out solely via the black market direct to scalpers via their corrupt distribution agents.

2017 was the last time there was a decent mainstream GPU worth buying. Steve from GN recently did a relative price breakdown of all recent GPUs and both AMD and Nvidia are very guilty of just abandoning the mainstream segment that most people rely on (and where brand loyalties are built) altogether. That'll come back to bite them both in the ass, hard, and I for one will have zero sympathy for them when it does. I sure as hell won't be forgetting this torrent of partner-level press-releases that are literal insults to their key customers: "Hey, we know you want a graphics card but you can't have one. We're too busy printing money with these obnoxiously-overdone special editions that are even harder to buy and even more eye-wateringly overpriced than the stuff we're already taking the piss with. Have a great day and don't forget to like, subscribe, and sign over all of your personal information by registering into our to our marketing email bombardment channel disguised as an exclusive club where we hold an occasional GPU lottery and toss table scraps of our production at you for PR reasons"

Whoops, that was salty. Glad I have a couple of decent GPUs. Imagine how much I'd be frothing at the mouth if I was rocking a GTX 970 or something :\

You know, the way you describe it, this reminds of Cyberpunk. Not the way the game was received, but the actual world it had and how it worked.

We're knee deep into it already.

Chrispy_I am so done with GPU product announcements until 2022, unless it's Intel declaring mass availability of their new dGPU lineup.

Neither AMD nor Nvidia care about the sub-$400 market right now. The 3060 is a farce that's so heavily cut down it's barely able to pull a couple of percent ahead of its preceeding 2060S, and that was already a very poorly recieved generation that most people skipped on account of terrible performance per dollar, broken promises, and widespread recommendations to wait a generation from independent reviewers.
AMD haven't even bothered making anything at all. The 6700XT is priced like it's still flagship silicon despite being a cut-down budget offering. The high-end only-end is all selling for well north of $1000 anyway because MSRP is a joke right now.

Every GPU announcement is a diamond-encrusted, platinum-plated special edition that costs silly amounts more than model it's based on which is already overpriced to the point of irrelevance and unobtainable, just to rub salt in the wound. Today's flavour of this obscene idol-worship is an impossible-to-buy, watercooled, special-bin of a special-bin of an already very expensive and exclusive XTXH part commanding a "screw you" pricetag designed solely to extract maximum profit out of extremely wealthy brand fanboys. The price is "if you have to ask, the answer is GTFO, pleb" and availability hasn't been announced because these are going out solely via the black market direct to scalpers via their corrupt distribution agents.

2017 was the last time there was a decent mainstream GPU worth buying. Steve from GN recently did a relative price breakdown of all recent GPUs and both AMD and Nvidia are very guilty of just abandoning the mainstream segment that most people rely on (and where brand loyalties are built) altogether. That'll come back to bite them both in the ass, hard, and I for one will have zero sympathy for them when it does. I sure as hell won't be forgetting this torrent of partner-level press-releases that are literal insults to their key customers: "Hey, we know you want a graphics card but you can't have one. We're too busy printing money with these obnoxiously-overdone special editions that are even harder to buy and even more eye-wateringly overpriced than the stuff we're already taking the piss with. Have a great day and don't forget to like, subscribe, and sign over all of your personal information by registering into our to our marketing email bombardment channel disguised as an exclusive club where we hold an occasional GPU lottery and toss table scraps of our production at you for PR reasons"

Whoops, that was salty. Glad I have a couple of decent GPUs. Imagine how much I'd be frothing at the mouth if I was rocking a GTX 970 or something :\

Yes, its enough to make even the Pope curse!

Still waiting for an 8GB RX 480 replacement, I suppose with inflation and stuff it would be closer to $300 now compared to the $240 of the RX480.

Heck if you don't include ray tracing and make it on glofo 14/12nm I will still give you $300, if its on RDNA2 and doubles my RX480 performance.

I thought the whole point of liquid cooling is making VGA more compact. Custom liquid cooled card which is still ~300mm long is madness.

As a reference 3090 (from Palit) with EK block+active backplate is 220mm long and 240mm with EVGA Powerlink adapter attached. After I've removed my old 3 1080Tis it's so tiny and case is so empty, it's hilarious.

On third photo you can clearly see how short card circuitry really is (tiny visible notch below backplate where coldplate ends), but Gigabyte then adds like 5 cm of PCB to accommodate those stupid power connector extensions they are so infamous for (photo 4). They simply took aircooled card and adapted it as cheaply as possible.

ypsylonThey simply took aircooled card and adapted it as cheaply as possible.

These cards are simple money-printing excercises.

No thought or care has gone into their design. It's actually quite difficult to make a waterblock look cheap and ugly, but somehow Gigabyte has done it and also forced a blue colour into something with RGBLED, so unless your chosen RGBLED colour choice matches that blue, it'll clash anyway.

This is obviously phoned-in shit. The price will be shocking and unjustifiable. Nobody cares, not even Gigabyte - because no matter how bad/ugly/expensive this is they can guarantee to sell every single one of them to a scalper bot within a few miliseconds of it going on sale.

mechtechStill waiting for an 8GB RX 480 replacement, I suppose with inflation and stuff it would be closer to $300 now compared to the $240 of the RX480.

Heck if you don't include ray tracing and make it on glofo 14/12nm I will still give you $300, if its on RDNA2 and doubles my RX480 performance.

I think the RX 480 was the sweet spot on Glofo's 14/12 node, and I was very fond of my reference 480 cards, especially given the price, power efficiency, and freesync (when nvidia was still charging a $200 G-Sync tax). Attempts over the years to make the 480 faster just provided the same results as overclocking - power, heat, and cost for cooling went through the roof but actual performance of a factory-OC RX 590 still isn't enough to make a reference RX 480 owner bat an eyelid.

The incentive (competing for sales in a free market) to squeeze better performance out of a fab (like we had in TSMC 28nm days) isn't there for AMD at the moment. We'd like them to, and they could, but why would they? It's not profitable. Scalpers are profitable.

Chrispy_These cards are simple money-printing excercises.

No thought or care has gone into their design. It's actually quite difficult to make a waterblock look cheap and ugly, but somehow Gigabyte has done it and also forced a blue colour into something with RGBLED, so unless your chosen RGBLED colour choice matches that blue, it'll clash anyway.

This is obviously phoned-in shit. The price will be shocking and unjustifiable. Nobody cares, not even Gigabyte - because no matter how bad/ugly/expensive this is they can guarantee to sell every single one of them to a scalper bot within a few miliseconds of it going on sale.

There are very few people who would buy these GPU when they can get 3090 for the same dough though, and AMD is making an effort to produce as many of these Navi21 XTXH as possible (cash grab). @xkm1948 took a few pictures at his local Microcenter and there are a lot of these cash grab GPU available :roll: .

Chrispy_These cards are simple money-printing excercises.

No thought or care has gone into their design. It's actually quite difficult to make a waterblock look cheap and ugly, but somehow Gigabyte has done it and also forced a blue colour into something with RGBLED, so unless your chosen RGBLED colour choice matches that blue, it'll clash anyway.

This is obviously phoned-in shit. The price will be shocking and unjustifiable. Nobody cares, not even Gigabyte - because no matter how bad/ugly/expensive this is they can guarantee to sell every single one of them to a scalper bot within a few miliseconds of it going on sale.


I think the RX 480 was the sweet spot on Glofo's 14/12 node, and I was very fond of my reference 480 cards, especially given the price, power efficiency, and freesync (when nvidia was still charging a $200 G-Sync tax). Attempts over the years to make the 480 faster just provided the same results as overclocking - power, heat, and cost for cooling went through the roof but actual performance of a factory-OC RX 590 still isn't enough to make a reference RX 480 owner bat an eyelid.

The incentive (competing for sales in a free market) to squeeze better performance out of a fab (like we had in TSMC 28nm days) isn't there for AMD at the moment. We'd like them to, and they could, but why would they? It's not profitable. Scalpers are profitable.

Agreed, however if they tapped glofo for 'budget cards' with rdna2, more cards should mean more profit. I mean there must be a big market out there with 'mid-range' cards looking for a performance upgrade? .....................well and there's always the miners and scalpers...................

mechtechAgreed, however if they tapped glofo for 'budget cards' with rdna2, more cards should mean more profit. I mean there must be a big market out there with 'mid-range' cards looking for a performance upgrade? .....................well and there's always the miners and scalpers...................

4GB Polaris 11 (RX 560) would certainly be welcome, and they'd sell like hotcakes. There's a huge market of people looking for esports and lightweight/low-budget gaming cards and it's going unanswered at the moment.

Unfortunately, if AMD was going to sell those, they'd need to have put plans in motion a year ago, much like Nvidia did 8 months ago when they decided to spin up 1050Ti production again. We still haven't seen that resurgence of 1050Ti cards yet, but hopefully they're nearing the end of the line through the fab.

voltageamd oven series. these run so hot they need water cooling.

Love the way you lie.



13-14% better efficiency than the competitor 3090.

Temperature of the reference 3 fan model:



Techpowerup has no review of the reference 3090, but here is the reference 3080:

B-RealLove the way you lie.



13-14% better efficiency than the competitor 3090.

Temperature of the reference 3 fan model:



Techpowerup has no review of the reference 3090, but here is the reference 3080:

Yes people write all sort of stuff without ever owning and testing a product. :shadedshu:
These 6900XTXH are amazing cards that can OC like hell.
Of course if you OC you will need good cooling and it is good that some brands are launching these XTXH cards with pre-fitted water block.

I own 6900XTU Liquid Devil Ultimate which is also XTXH card with EK water block fitted from factory.
I haven't got time to tune it until now to get all the potentials out of it but already with my first trial I was able to achieve 2750MHz@1175mV.
In games it runs at 2700MHz. :D
2800MHz also works but I did not tune the power with MPT until now. It needs more power to give more performance at 2800MHz.
Here are initial tests more will come soon. Hopefully I will have some time to tune it soon :rolleyes: :

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/the-rx-6000-series-owners-club.276164/post-4504149

Chrispy_4GB Polaris 11 (RX 560) would certainly be welcome, and they'd sell like hotcakes. There's a huge market of people looking for esports and lightweight/low-budget gaming cards and it's going unanswered at the moment.

Unfortunately, if AMD was going to sell those, they'd need to have put plans in motion a year ago, much like Nvidia did 8 months ago when they decided to spin up 1050Ti production again. We still haven't seen that resurgence of 1050Ti cards yet, but hopefully they're nearing the end of the line through the fab.

Indeed. Even something a bit bigger, say 1280 shaders on RDNA2, sans ray tracing to save on transistors/die size and even 4GB GDDR5 (on a 128-bit bus) to save cash instead of GDDR6. Put them up for $175 and there would be a lot of happy 1080p gamers and even non-gamers (HTPC'ers).............I'd get 2 one for each of my kids PC's.

turbogearYes people write all sort of stuff without ever owning and testing a product. :shadedshu:
These 6900XTXH are amazing cards that can OC like hell.
Of course if you OC you will need good cooling and it is good that some brands are launching these XTXH cards with pre-fitted water block.

I own 6900XTU Liquid Devil Ultimate which is also XTXH card with EK water block fitted from factory.
I haven't got time to tune it until now to get all the potentials out of it but already with my first trial I was able to achieve 2750MHz@1175mV.
In games it runs at 2700MHz. :D
2800MHz also works but I did not tune the power with MPT until now. It needs more power to give more performance at 2800MHz.
Here are initial tests more will come soon. Hopefully I will have some time to tune it soon :rolleyes: :

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/the-rx-6000-series-owners-club.276164/post-4504149

ugh, got my Asus TUF 3090 + WB for 1800eur and it kinda smoke your 2300eur 6900XTX
www.3dmark.com/spy/20184514

Still have plenty of OC left but the card already draw 450W TGP in TS and there are so many 3090 owners that I can't hope to be in the top 100 scores anyways (3Dmark should really limit 1 entry per user :D)

nguyenugh, got my Asus TUF 3090 + WB for 1800eur and it kinda smoke your 2300eur 6900XTX
www.3dmark.com/spy/20184514

Still have plenty of OC left but the card already draw 450W TGP in TS and there are so many 3090 owners that I can't hope to be in the top 100 scores anyways (3Dmark should really limit 1 entry per user :D)

The last time I checked 3090 was on the day I bought 6900XTU and these were costing in range of 3000€.

They are still costing in that range.

Here caseking have them in stock:
www.caseking.de/pc-komponenten/grafikkarten/nvidia/geforce-rtx-3090?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=cd7776570ecb98afdbe07e7fd6ac0bd0c6fe27b5-1620623031-0-AQ2HH_aIcjr6eklcD_eTE3bRdoLv1xScdvP4mpF79ppjYqeW8j53TowSvbvTN7FD2cWSalPm9I8VBCIS33z8fK6jeNdxWGah9gJUb-IGWrkyQ8gwA4iWlBU2NPbNCYyqC8iCNEUjVU0OgnaUggLdRdz6o4bqlMP-Y-hY8MjybYynBrlnJR79ORHvoWMoLcBhILhboazG7bljSDOenXtSGe72Cz9L631ERfrXhk4lueTET8o8WzkMvHNVBRdVOz8y1YCv9P2wprNYQAGHyyfJwhpepYAz_tCJNd2t0mDkde4EjkWBYgmzyb1_Y0vJRSnPFH7zdnI4WzTDSTgnkc5gkTiVksRY4CB8xHidi6RPKni8JwRiOjasuAJ66w8JATJansxvaLBKXJV_Ey7gkd2g0odY2JJ_WTip4gqEmffJC9FctuGU10lIjvX7loaLYMr_tfJZVJtXh0llDLV7lN2r5lPcmpPyETwXbkZ7MCFS-C5lY5Nlx_DFArNaqMPSdfVNEY18nLwSgEO1gxNH6oPqhJE

Also idealo:
www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/ProductCategory/16073F101350014.html

Some months ago they were all cheaper. At that time 6900XT cost 1300€ but not anymore.
A regular 6900XT now costs in range of 1800€ and the 3090 are much more expensive over here in Germany.

Anyways, I prefer an AMD card.
I did not buy an NVIDIA for last 10 years.

turbogearThe last time I checked 3090 was on the day I bought 6900XTU and these were costing in range of 3000€.

They are still costing in that range.

Here caseking have them in stock:
www.caseking.de/pc-komponenten/grafikkarten/nvidia/geforce-rtx-3090?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=cd7776570ecb98afdbe07e7fd6ac0bd0c6fe27b5-1620623031-0-AQ2HH_aIcjr6eklcD_eTE3bRdoLv1xScdvP4mpF79ppjYqeW8j53TowSvbvTN7FD2cWSalPm9I8VBCIS33z8fK6jeNdxWGah9gJUb-IGWrkyQ8gwA4iWlBU2NPbNCYyqC8iCNEUjVU0OgnaUggLdRdz6o4bqlMP-Y-hY8MjybYynBrlnJR79ORHvoWMoLcBhILhboazG7bljSDOenXtSGe72Cz9L631ERfrXhk4lueTET8o8WzkMvHNVBRdVOz8y1YCv9P2wprNYQAGHyyfJwhpepYAz_tCJNd2t0mDkde4EjkWBYgmzyb1_Y0vJRSnPFH7zdnI4WzTDSTgnkc5gkTiVksRY4CB8xHidi6RPKni8JwRiOjasuAJ66w8JATJansxvaLBKXJV_Ey7gkd2g0odY2JJ_WTip4gqEmffJC9FctuGU10lIjvX7loaLYMr_tfJZVJtXh0llDLV7lN2r5lPcmpPyETwXbkZ7MCFS-C5lY5Nlx_DFArNaqMPSdfVNEY18nLwSgEO1gxNH6oPqhJE

Also idealo:
www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/ProductCategory/16073F101350014.html

Some months ago they were all cheaper. At that time 6900XT cost 1300€ but not anymore.
A regular 6900XT now costs in range of 1800€ and the 3090 are much more expensive over here in Germany.

Anyways, I prefer an AMD card.
I did not buy an NVIDIA for last 10 years.

People brag for how much cheaper they have bought their cards and others say due to scalpers the prices are sky high. I bought my 6900XT red devil for almost $1700 here in Norway and I can tell you now, I would not get that one for the same price now. These cost around $2k but the price when available jump even higher. The 3090's start from $3.5k and are going up. Both AMD and NV are going up.
Just because one person bought 6900xt or a 3090 for low price it's not what these cards go for now and the price is still going up. Saying you can get a 3090 for the price of this 6900XT AORUS Xtreme Water is wishful thinking not a fact.

ratirtPeople brag for how much cheaper they have bought their cards and others say due to scalpers the prices are sky high. I bought my 6900XT red devil for almost $1700 here in Norway and I can tell you now, I would not get that one for the same price now. These cost around $2k but the price when available jump even higher. The 3090's start from $3.5k and are going up. Both AMD and NV are going up.
Just because one person bought 6900xt or a 3090 for low price it's not what these cards go for now and the price is still going up. Saying you can get a 3090 for the price of this 6900XT AORUS Xtreme Water is wishful thinking not a fact.

Exactly my point.
I bought the 6800XT that I had before in end of Novmber 2020 for 999€ but these sell starting 1500€ now. 500€ more in few months. :eek:
geizhals.de/?fs=6800XT+&hloc=at&hloc=de

So it would be unfair to say to somebody who buy 6800XT now for 1500€ that for 1800€ RTX 3090 can blow you out of water.
Minimum price of 3090 now is 2800€. 3090 has gone 1000€ up since few months. :(

Most probably by time 6900XT AORUS Xtreme Water launches, the price would be even higher and it would be more expensive than 2299€ that 6900XTU cost me. :shadedshu:

The only place where cards could be bought at MSRP is AMD directly but regular folks like us has no chance as bots buy these every time within seconds and then sell these on eBay at almost double the price.

turbogearExactly my point.
I bought the 6800XT that I had before in end of Novmber 2020 for 999€ but these sell starting 1500€ now. 500€ more in few months. :eek:
geizhals.de/?fs=6800XT+&hloc=at&hloc=de

So it would be unfair to say to somebody who buy 6800XT now for 1500€ that for 1800€ RTX 3090 can blow you out of water.
Minimum price of 3090 now is 2800€. 3090 has gone 1000€ up since few months. :(

I know and I agree with you fully. It's a silly thing to say 3090 is way better and costs less because somebody bought it for the price that the 6900xt goes for now or cheaper few months ago. Like the prices for the 3090 didn't go up. In fact they did and way more than 6900xt's did.
If I look now, the 6900xt red devil's price is higher than what I've payed for it.