Monday, September 27th 2021

As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, China is Now Experiencing Power Shortages

If you were hoping for relief from the electronics shortages, then we have more bad news for you, as China is now being hit by power outages in various parts of the country. The outages are due to shortage in production, as China is trying to balance pollution vs. production, while at the same time trying to make sure its population doesn't feel the worst of the power shortage.

Factories in at least five provinces have suspended production to try and appease the government, which in turn will lead to delays in shipping whatever part or component they're making that is an important cog in the greater machinery that produces so many of the world's goods. Not all factories are affected and the suspension is obviously temporary, but it seems like we can expect a rolling production suspension over the next few months at the very least, which suggests that not everyone will get their new shiny toy from Santa this Christmas.
The report from the AP suggests that several of Apple's suppliers have been hit and the unexpected power cuts have also caused human casualties, as 23 people were hospitalised from gas poisoning due to the ventilation system in a metal casting factory being unexpectedly shut off. This just adds to all the other issues when it comes to production and shipment of goods and with winter arriving in northern China, things are likely to get worse. Part of the reason for all of this is that the party is hosting a U.N. environmental conference in mid October, followed by the Winter Olympics in Beijing in February next year and President Xi wants to present a nation with clear blue skies to the world.

However, increasing prices for coal and gas is also causing power supply shortages, as the utility companies in China aren't allowed to charge consumers more than a certain amount and can as such not increase prices, unlike in most other countries. This makes them unwilling to increase power output, as they would have to cover the additional costs. The companies that have suspended their production are expecting to be back in production by the start of next month, if it wasn't for the fact that the first week of October is a national holiday in China. Reports coming out of Taiwan suggest that Taiwanese PCB manufacturers in China haven't been too badly affected and have so far been able to make up for the shortfall using stock.
Sources: AP, Reuters
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77 Comments on As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, China is Now Experiencing Power Shortages

#52
neatfeatguy
ChomiqIt's not just China:
www.reuters.com/business/energy/soaring-gas-prices-ripple-through-heavy-industry-supply-chains-2021-09-22/
Gasoline made a crazy jump in price, too. I thought it was nice to see gas was under $3.00 a few days ago. I didn't need to fill up my car, I had just done so the day or two before and the price at the station I went to that day was $2.99. A couple of days later I noticed gas by my work was at $2.74 and this was last Friday (9/24) in the afternoon as I was going home.

I didn't notice the price for gas yesterday because I went a slightly different route to work, so maybe it had jumped already but I just didn't know. However, I drive by the gas station today by my work and gas is at $3.14....seriously? How the hell does it just jump 30 cents in the span of 3-4 days?
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#53
TheLostSwede
News Editor
neatfeatguyGasoline made a crazy jump in price, too. I thought it was nice to see gas was under $3.00 a few days ago. I didn't need to fill up my car, I had just done so the day or two before and the price at the station I went to that day was $2.99. A couple of days later I noticed gas by my work was at $2.74 and this was last Friday (9/24) in the afternoon as I was going home.

I didn't notice the price for gas yesterday because I went a slightly different route to work, so maybe it had jumped already but I just didn't know. However, I drive by the gas station today by my work and gas is at $3.14....seriously? How the hell does it just jump 30 cents in the span of 3-4 days?
It's what happens when everything we need in our daily lives are being traded on an international market. Much of it is speculation and not actual demand, which is the problem, as rich people and banks are gambling with other people's money, not only things like investments and pensions, but also the actual cost of goods we buy. For fuel there are also what can only be described as cartels that negotiate and agree on how much should be produced, so the price doesn't drop below a decided upon level if possible. However, it's apparently all legal and above board, so nothing that can be done about it until we come up with a new economic system that doesn't rely on money.
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#54
Vayra86
xkm1948I mean cutting back on CO2 emission is great. Mass consumption of natural resources really needs to tone down a bit. Consumer less is good



I do not agree. Countries across the world had massive differences in how they responded to a pandemic. Some counties like Taiwan were barely affected. Can't blame the stupid ways of handling a pandemic when you have a huge amount of stupid aholes doing anti-science and anti-vaccine movements.
Yeah this totally looks like a well considered plan, doesn't it. I'm sure randomly shutting stuff down by force is the best way to be efficient.

Because the demand won't go away. This is not doing a thing for mass consumption, and I'm not sure what the point really is altogether. Could it be that Xi's let the power go to his head, at last? He was on that trajectory for a while now.

In the end what this is is simple bean counters doing the work. Gas shortage is a money problem.
TheLostSwedeI guess you're not reading the news?
www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210912-why-china-is-developing-a-game-changing-thorium-fuelled-nuclear-reactor
This is a decade plan though, not gonna help them for gas problems today. They still need more coal, too.
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#55
ValenOne
R-T-BSince when did protectionism become communism?

If that's the case, Trumps recent tariffs are communist.

No, that's absurd.
The protectionist policies can occur for both capitalist and communist systems. CCP's China 2025 and "Negative List of Market Access Restricted" are protectionist policies.

From tradebarrierindex.org
New Zealand's tariff score is 2.92
Australia's tariff score is 3.08
Japan's tariff score is 4.06
US's tariff score is 4.58

Germany's tariff score is 4.92
EU's tariff score is 4.92

China's tariff score is 6.8
South Korea's tariff score is 7.35 (there's a reason why South Korea is not a member of CPTPP).

Lower is better.

CCP complaints about Australia's new "Negative List of Market Access Restricted" targeting CCP companies when CCP has its "Negative List of Market Access Restricted" list.

Reciprocal trade is a simple concept to understand.

Your argument is naive.
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#56
R-T-B
rvalenciaYour argument is naive.
And your arguement is what exactly? You just established protectionism has nothing to do with being conmunist/capitalist as both systems can use protectionism, so I'm not sure why you think those scores defeat my point.
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#57
ValenOne
R-T-BAnd your arguement is what exactly? You just established protectionism has nothing to do with being conmunist/capitalist as both systems can use protectionism, so I'm not sure why you think those scores defeat my point.
If you actually read CCP's "Negative List of Market Access Restricted" list, a private entity not being able to own land is communist and protectionist.

Real-world communism is just an extreme case of very big government.
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#58
R-T-B
rvalenciaIf you actually read CCP's "Negative List of Market Access Restricted" list, a private entity not being able to own land is communist and protectionist.
That's one point I'll grant you but it's nothing in the overall picture (several south american nations lease land in a similar fashion rather than sell it). I also believe the list you are citing is not for citizens but outside foreign investment.

At any rate, it's irrelevant.

What part of communism allows private enterprise to operate? It's clear this is happening en-masse in China, and that's really where the argument ends.
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#60
ValenOne
R-T-BThat's one point I'll grant you but it's nothing in the overall picture (several south american nations lease land in a similar fashion rather than sell it)

What part of communism allows private enterprise to operate? It's clear this is happening en-masse in China, and that's really where the argument ends.
FYI, Australia has both government leasehold and private land ownership. Name the several south American nations with 100% government lease. Be specific instead of generalizing the argument.

For China, foreign private enterprises can operate as per CCP's "Negative List of Market Access Restricted" list. China has a 100% government land lease.

CPTPP is enforcing WTO rules without promises exception (i.e. fixing the mistake done by the Clinton administration). Due to China's current protectionist policies, China's CPTPP application will fail i.e. both Japan and Australia will reject China's CPTPP application.
R-T-BThat's one point I'll grant you but it's nothing in the overall picture (several south american nations lease land in a similar fashion rather than sell it). I also believe the list you are citing is not for citizens but outside foreign investment.
China has a 100% government land lease for both foreign entities and its citizens.

IF Australian mining companies can't invest in China's mining industries (land-related), then the Australian government will apply reciprocal investment restrictions on CCP companies.
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#61
TheLostSwede
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XiGMAKiDThat's a good read thanks, if their endeavor bears fruit then electric vehicle is much more feasible than I thought
The reason why they're going with Thorium over Uranium is because they have plenty of it locally. As to what else it can be used for... Well...
Vayra86This is a decade plan though, not gonna help them for gas problems today. They still need more coal, too.
Sure, but that wasn't the question I answered.
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#62
R-T-B
rvalenciaName the several south American nations with 100% government lease. Be specific instead of generalizing the argument.
There aren't any specific instances of 100% I know of but that wasn't really a pillar of my arguement either beyond pointing out "so what?"
rvalenciaFor China, foreign private enterprises can operate as per CCP's "Negative List of Market Access Restricted" list. China has a 100% government land lease.
You're dodging the point. There are chinese owned and stocked shareholder based companies. Just because they aren't land is irrelevant.

At any rate *I* certainly think this looks quite different from what we conventionally consider communism. You'll be hard pressed to convince me otherwise when compared to nations like the USSR, Chinas own past, etc.
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#63
trog100
china limits energy use.. the end result of all this is china makes less stuff.. less stuff mean prices will go up..

the west will have no choice but to pay these higher prices.. higher prices will mean the west buys less stuff..

this kind of reminds me of what the arabs did to oil prices near fifty years ago.. cut production and jacked up prices..

why should china keep making cheap stuff and polluting its own country when it dosnt have to.. :)

limiting energy use is just a neat way of limiting production and jacking up prices.. its win win situation for china..

trog
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#64
Ferd
trog100this kind of reminds me of what the arabs did to oil prices near fifty years ago.. cut production and jacked up prices..
And it reminds me of what happened after that :p

WAR
trog100the west will have no choice but to pay these higher prices.. higher prices will mean the west buys less stuff..
It’s not like the west are handcuffed, again referring to the previous example you gave about ME , a lot of bad things can happen it doesn’t always end the way you concluded
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#65
trog100
FerdAnd it reminds me of what happened after that :p

WAR


It’s not like the west are handcuffed, again referring to the previous example you gave about ME , a lot of bad things can happen it doesn’t always end the way you concluded
there are worse case scenarios.. war being one of them.. :).. is the US stupid enough to start one.. possibly but hopefully not..

trog
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#66
Vayra86
trog100there are worse case scenarios.. war being one of them.. :).. is the US stupid enough to start one.. possibly but hopefully not..

trog
There is a good chance the world has become far too connected to really go to war and keep a straight face about it. The whole supply chain affair for example. Irony has it that China is suffering in equal measure but just on different resources instead of end user product. At the same time, they still lack technology and supply chains to do everything themselves especially in mission critical areas like chip production.

We need each other, is the simple fact and it should eventually lead to some form of balance. Xi is trying very hard to look like he doesn't need anyone else. And the US, too. Neither of them are credible.

There is also a growing group of global citizens that can easily oversee all the petty politics at play here and how pointless it really is. Wasteful, too. How long can we keep up that charade with climate change peeking around the corner? Its going to hit specific parts of the world in specific ways, killing resources or production options while creating them elsewhere. It always has and it already does.
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#67
Why_Me
Vayra86There is a good chance the world has become far too connected to really go to war and keep a straight face about it. The whole supply chain affair for example. Irony has it that China is suffering in equal measure but just on different resources instead of end user product. At the same time, they still lack technology and supply chains to do everything themselves especially in mission critical areas like chip production.

We need each other, is the simple fact and it should eventually lead to some form of balance. Xi is trying very hard to look like he doesn't need anyone else. And the US, too. Neither of them are credible.

There is also a growing group of global citizens that can easily oversee all the petty politics at play here and how pointless it really is. Wasteful, too. How long can we keep up that charade with climate change peeking around the corner? Its going to hit specific parts of the world in specific ways, killing resources or production options while creating them elsewhere. It always has and it already does.
Global citizens & climate change. Straight out of the EU/Greta Thunberg handbook.
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#68
Vayra86
Why_MeGlobal citizens & climate change. Straight out of the EU/Greta Thunberg handbook.
Not even thát up to speed on Greta, but the EU, sure. We've been the stage for two World Wars and learned something along the way. But its also the only trajectory that isn't completely filled with death & misery going forward. Things do run out. And you might also consider it a logical next step in human evolution, zooming out further. Let's face it, the good old left/right wing ideological battles are getting pretty old and boring right about now. Aren't they explored enough? Its clear we need elements from everything.
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#69
Why_Me
Vayra86Not even thát up to speed on Greta, but the EU, sure. We've been the stage for two World Wars and learned something along the way. But its also the only trajectory that isn't completely filled with death & misery going forward. Things do run out. And you might also consider it a logical next step in human evolution, zooming out further. Let's face it, the good old left/right wing ideological battles are getting pretty old and boring right about now. Aren't they explored enough? Its clear we need elements from everything.
The EU has learned little since WW2. Other than the Brits, western Europe was a big non factor. The Germans went through western Europe like a hot knife through warm butter and what did the EU learn from that experience? Nothing by the looks of it. If you don't have a military then you're a pretender. If China was to invade Taiwan how much help would the EU be? In order to reach Taiwan you'd need a navy.
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#70
Vayra86
Why_MeThe EU has learned little since WW2. Other than the Brits, western Europe was a big non factor. The Germans went through western Europe like a hot knife through warm butter and what did the EU learn from that experience? Nothing by the looks of it. If you don't have a military then you're a pretender. If China was to invade Taiwan how much help would the EU be? In order to reach Taiwan you'd need a navy.
Oh but on that one we fully agree. Deterrence is everything. It may even be key to reaching the goals I mentioned in previous posts. Because that's when shooting is truly pointless.
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#71
dicobalt
The entire world has exported their manufacturing pollution to China. People grossly underestimate their personal energy consumption by forgetting about the energy needed to manufacture the things they use everyday. This is why China is so set on deploying new reactors and development of advanced reactors. We can blame Nixon for his decision to kill development of vital nuclear research programs in the 70s which set us back around 40 years worth of progress. Nixon is also the one who started trade with China in 1972 in a failed attempt to end a war by ending arms trafficking.
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#72
ValenOne
R-T-BThere aren't any specific instances of 100% I know of but that wasn't really a pillar of my arguement either beyond pointing out "so what?"


You're dodging the point. There are chinese owned and stocked shareholder based companies. Just because they aren't land is irrelevant.

At any rate *I* certainly think this looks quite different from what we conventionally consider communism. You'll be hard pressed to convince me otherwise when compared to nations like the USSR, Chinas own past, etc.
You're dodging the effects of CCP's state-owned land (refer to Market Access Negative List) is effectively protectionist policy. All mining companies in China are state-owned.

When my Australian federal government applied investment restrictions against CCP state-owned companies, CCP didn't like it (refer to 14 points complaint against the Australian government) while CCP has Market Access Negative List.

You don't know crap when my nation has a trade war against China!
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#73
R-T-B
rvalenciaYou don't know crap when my nation has a trade war against China!
The USA doesn't?
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#74
ValenOne
R-T-BThe USA doesn't?
Has China blocked or throttle US's barley, beef, coal, wine, timber, lobster and 'etc'?

The U.S has imposed trade sanctions (e.g. tariff) on China due to CCP's failing to execute the promises made prior to WTO entry.

VS

1st. China has a Market Access Negative List that restricts foreign (and local) investments that is the by-product of its communist system.
2nd. Australia applies reciprocal investment restrictions on CCP state-owned companies.
3rd. China has imposed trade (goods) sanctions on Australia. Australia's goods trade to China across the affected commodities, including barley, beef, and coal has dropped by 78 percent. Australia has replaced China with alternative markets e.g. China's mass dam building has caused drought in the downstream countries, hence creating alternative markets for Australia. LOL
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#75
R-T-B
rvalenciaHas China blocked or throttle US's barley, beef, coal, wine, timber, lobster and 'etc'?

The U.S has imposed trade sanctions (e.g. tariff) on China due to CCP's failing to execute the promises made prior to WTO entry.

VS

1st. China has a Market Access Negative List that restricts foreign (and local) investments that is the by-product of its communist system.
2nd. Australia applies reciprocal investment restrictions on CCP state-owned companies.
3rd. China has imposed trade (goods) sanctions on Australia. Australia's goods trade to China across the affected commodities, including barley, beef, and coal has dropped by 78 percent. Australia has replaced China with alternative markets e.g. China's mass dam building has caused drought in the downstream countries, hence creating alternative markets for Australia. LOL
I guess the bottom line is that the root of my statement is any free enterprise is incompatible with a country being "communist" and China clearly has some.

Not interested in debating the particulars beyond that, honestly, though I will admit/concede it does excecise a heavy hand on it's respective markets.
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