Thursday, June 30th 2022

AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5900WX-series Pricing Revealed

Last week, AMD announced that its Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5900WX-series of processors were going to be available from more OEMs, with an eventual retail version of the three models going to be available. Now the company has shared the retail pricing for the new workstation processors and it would appear that AMD's HEDT platform has become unobtanium for most consumers, after having been one of the cheapest platforms out there only a couple of generations ago. According to Tom's Hardware, whom AMD shared the pricing with, the Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5965WX, the 24 core, 48 thread entry level model, will start at US$2,399, which is more than a 32 core, 64 thread Threadripper 3970X, which has a retail price of US$1,999.

A step up is the 32 core, 64 thread Threadripper Pro 5975WX for US$3,299 and at the top of the stacks, sits the 64 core, 128 thread Threadripper Pro 5995WX for the hefty price of US$6,499. All three models have 128 PCIe lanes and a 280 W TDP. AMD seems to have decided to cash in on its core and thread advantage over Intel, as Intel's highest-end workstation chip is the Xeon W-3375, with 38 cores and 76 threads, which comes in at US$4,499, but only has half the PCIe lane count and a much smaller cache. That said, Intel is expected to launch its 4th generation of Xeon W processors, codenamed Sapphire Rapids later this year, which is expected to feature a 56 core, 112 thread SKU, which should bring some competition to AMD in this market segment.
Source: Tom's Hardware
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65 Comments on AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5900WX-series Pricing Revealed

#26
Valantar
WirkoYes, I understand we are discussing a tiny niche here. TPU serves as a magnifying glass and makes it look like a giant tiny niche. Nothing wrong with that.
Not at all. I just think the onus is on these people to adapt more than it is on the industry to cater to them. When your niche use case no longer fits within the margins of some larger group, you need to adjust accordingly or face a ton of frustration and issues. There are tons of ways of overcoming the issue of insufficient PCIe these days, from simple bifurcation risers to TB3 adapters to direct PCIe expansion hardware (pretty much in that order in terms of increasing price). Of course, none of them are as simple (and often not as cheap) as an HEDT motherboard with tons of PCIe. And if your needs exceed the capabilities of even those options? Then you're firmly in the pro workstation/server realm in your needs, and need to accept that. And, well, that's life. If you've got five kids, you need to buy a bigger car than if you have none, and will likely be driving more, paying more for gas and maintenance. Refusing to adapt behaviour to present conditions doesn't make anything better when you have zero ways of changing said conditions.
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#27
r9
AMD milking it again.
RIP good ole days when they offered more for less.
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#28
kapone32
r9AMD milking it again.
RIP good ole days when they offered more for less.
AMD no longer represents value like they used to until you look at the rest of the space.
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#29
r9
kapone32AMD no longer represents value like they used to until you look at the rest of the space.
Let's see what's the most we can charge for a product but be justifiable when compared it to Intel.
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#30
eazen
WirkoHm, I wasn't aware that you can't get a Z690 board with three PCIe slots that are at least x4 (electrical).

Internal connectivity is getting worse but external connectivity is getting better - the trend is evident in Alder Lake platform and AM5 apparently follows that. It's both bad and good, some people with multiple desktop and laptop PCs will value portability and buy external GPU enclosures, capture cards, maybe storage and network cards interfaces too.
Actually this isn’t true. Beginning with AM5 AMD will offer a “extreme” chipset X670E which should offer a lot of possibilities which the current X570, couldn’t. It’s 2 chipsets combined into one. So AMD is essentially trying to give you HEDT-like offerings and make up for the lack of a new HEDT platform.
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#31
Jism
kapone32AMD no longer represents value like they used to until you look at the rest of the space.
What, it's a company. They make products to make money. They still uphold quite some value. If it was for Intel alone you'd be still on a 4 core 8 thread CPU.
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#32
eazen
JismWhat, it's a company. They make products to make money. They still uphold quite some value. If it was for Intel alone you'd be still on a 4 core 8 thread CPU.
To be honest, I think they would’ve moved to 8 cores by now and the rest paywalled on a super expensive HEDT platform and only 18 power hungry cores maximum.
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#33
Chrispy_
What made Threadripper difficult was the motherboards. Limited options at terrifying prices with some honestly shaky BIOS implementations from my experience. I'm not expecting Threadripper boards to be cheap but the poor selection of consumer boards was also a tough pill to swallow.

My last Threadrippers were 2990WX and Windows has become a lot better at scheduling many threads that it was back then, and it's not just Windows - more software can utilise higher thread counts, and the amount of NUMA-aware software is growing to the point that if you need a serious number of threads, you probably don't have to worry about NUMA any more.
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#34
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
ThrashZoneHi,
It looks like it's going to leave a large mark :eek:


Jump from 16 to 24 on amd is always crazy high.
Im thinking of a 32 or 64 core, (I dont upgrade CPU/mobo as often as a gpu
lexluthermiesterI want a 16C/32T version of TR...
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#35
Jism
The 8 core 16 thread 2700x served me pretty well. But it's always in the back of my mind to get a Threadripper. Not sure for what exactly, i mean what i do i can handle with what i have, but it's something very sexy having a 280W 32 cores 64 thread monster with loads of cache and clocks.. a system thats solid for the next 5 years minimum.

I mean CPU's wont get faster really then where we are now (5.5Ghz seems to be the current ceiling for quite some time), they just get more optimized, do more with less, go very wide as in alot of cores these days. You'd be running a multithread app or something to fully tax it as it was designed for.
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#36
Blue4130
Until the add in cards change, having faster but smaller slots is useless. Trying to use a 4 port m.2 pcie 3.0 x16 in a pcie 4.0 x4 slot? Good bye 3 drives.
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#37
lexluthermiester
ThrashZoneJump from 16 to 24 on amd is always crazy high.
Ok. I just don't want/need more than 16 cores but want the extra RAM channels/bandwidth.
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#38
Avlin
HEDT what ? 256GB RAM and 5950x @ 4.7 on cheap b550, what else ? if I need more I go to the cloud or WS 64 cores

EDIT: Yes, actually for proper work, not speaking about gaming

EDIT 2 : 128GB
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#39
eazen
AvlinHEDT what ? 256GB RAM and 5950x @ 4.7 on cheap b550, what else ? if I need more I go to the cloud or WS 64 cores

EDIT: Yes, actually for proper work, not speaking about gaming
Actually the regular platform is limited to 128 GB.
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#40
wahdangun
they should bring 3D cache version, and i will be all over it, 256mb of cache :)
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#41
Minus Infinity
WalletRipper Pro would be more apt. I guess they think all workstation users come from mega corps with massive budgets. Would have been very useful at my uni job, but you'd need to win a large grant (5% chance of that happening) to afford this rip.
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#42
eazen
Minus InfinityWalletRipper Pro would be more apt. I guess they think all workstation users come from mega corps with massive budgets. Would have been very useful at my uni job, but you'd need to win a large grant (5% chance of that happening) to afford this rip.
At this point if i really needed it or wanted it, i would shop for used parts, it's no problem at all, these aren't really overclocked much and stuff is built to last. 3960X (not the old Sandy king), or so.
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#43
ltkAlpha
One would think that the 8 memory channels of TR Pro 5900-series would feature somewhere in this summary...
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#44
lexluthermiester
ltkAlphaOne would think that the 8 memory channels of TR Pro 5900-series would feature somewhere in this summary...
IIRC, 8 channels is an EPYC CPU line feature, not Threadripper. TR is still Quad channel, which is why it wasn't mentioned.
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#46
Valantar
lexluthermiesterIIRC, 8 channels is an EPYC CPU line feature, not Threadripper. TR is still Quad channel, which is why it wasn't mentioned.
TR Pro is 8-channel, the 4-channel ones were the now discontinued non-pro lineup.
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#47
64K
For the people that miss the days when AMD offered CPUs for cheap that damn near bankrupted them.

Companies have to make a profit or there's no point in being in business at all.
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#48
lexluthermiester
ltkAlphaThe article is discussing the Pro, though, and there's already a precedent:
www.anandtech.com/show/16478/64-cores-of-rendering-madness-the-amd-threadripper-pro-3995wx-review/2

The pricing makes much more sense when one realizes they're getting viable server silicon, so I'd say it's relevant.
ValantarTR Pro is 8-channel, the 4-channel ones were the now discontinued non-pro lineup.
Looks like both of you are right.
www.techpowerup.com/296025/amd-announces-expanded-ryzen-threadripper-5000-wx-series-availability
UskompufThis also means that all Threadripper processors will natively offer: 128 lanes of PCIe Gen 4, 8-channel UDIMM and RDIMM support for more flexible memory configurations
Of course those is for the Pro models. Perhaps AMD is preparing a non-pro HEDT lineup?

@ AMD
You need to give the HEDT market sector some love! You boned us showing a 5900X3D and then not delivering, don't make the same mistake with Threadripper by not releasing models focused on the enthusiast market.
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#49
Camm
The real issue with lack of HEDT is how bloody easy it is to saturate chipset links. USB, m.2 & now Thunderbolt is destroying those 4x links. HEDT with a doubling to 8x chipset helps with this, but I wouldn't argue against a full 16x link / increasing direct CPU 4x links for m.2. Also, whilst not critical, it is still irksome how primary PEG goes down to 8x if you use almost any other slot (or gets shoved through the already contested chipset link).
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#50
Valantar
lexluthermiesterOf course those is for the Pro models. Perhaps AMD is preparing a non-pro HEDT lineup?

@ AMD
You need to give the HEDT market sector some love! You boned us showing a 5900X3D and then not delivering, don't make the same mistake with Threadripper by not releasing models focused on the enthusiast market
The source for this article explicitly confirms that AMD will not be releasing further non-Pro TR CPUs. Consumer HEDT is dead, and there are no signs of it coming back - the vast majority of what used to be its use cases have long since been subsumed into high end MSDT, and the remaining niches are too small to support product development at this level of cost and complexity. Those chips would sell in the low thousands globally. That's not enough to keep a cpu+motherboard market segment alive unless development was essentially free. It sucks for those that operate within those niches, but there isn't much that can be done about it. It's a direct consequence of MSDT having massive gains in capabilities over the last half decade.
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