Thursday, November 3rd 2022

AMD Radeon RDNA3 Graphics Launch Event Live-blog: RX 7000 Series, Next-Generation Performance

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AMD today is expected to launch its next-generation RDNA3 graphics architecture and next-generation Radeon RX 7000-series graphics cards, along with new gaming technologies as part of the company's "together we advance_gaming" event, unfurled by CEO Dr Lisa Su. In this live-blog we track the various announcements made in the event.
20:01 UTC: AMD's roadmap is supremely busy:
20:02 UTC: "today it's all about gaming"

20:03 UTC: AMD covers practically every gaming form-factor right now.
20:04 UTC: Lisa named 5800X3D, the company is definitely manufacturing more.

20:05 UTC: RDNA3: World's first chiplet gaming GPU:
20:06 UTC: Graphics Compute Die on 5 nm, Memory Controller Dies on 6 nm

20:07 UTC: 61 TFLOP/s compute power. That's nearly 3x over the 23 TFLOP's of the predecessor

20:08 UTC: here it its, the Navi 31:
20:08 UTC: 54% perf/W gain, similar to that of RDNA2 vs RDNA
20:09 UTC: Here they are, the RX 7900 XTX and RX 7900 XT:
20:09 UTC: 300 mm2 GCD, 6x 37 mm2 MCDs, graphics-relevant Infinity Fabric
20:11 UTC: Each MCD has 16 MB of Infinity Cache, and 64-bit memory path. Together, the Navi 31 has 384-bit GDDR6 memory I/O. Peak bandwidth to 5.3 TB/s

20:12 UTC: This is the all-new compute unit, with 64 dual-pumped stream processors, AI accelerators, and new-gen RT accelerator (50% RT performance)
20:13 UTC: 2.7X AI performance uplift with the AI accelerators.

20:15 UTC: Radiance Display Engine: The GPU gets DisplayPort 2.1 native support: 4K @ 480 Hz possible, 8K at 165 Hz possible, with a single cable.

20:16 UTC: Dual Media Accelerator Engines
20:17 UTC: RDNA3 reintroduces decoupled clock domains, with shaders running at a different frequency than the front-end:
20:18 UTC: 61.6 TFLOPs peak throughput

20:18 UTC: Architecture design goals met:
20:19 UTC: RX 7900 XTX is designed for 4K

20:20 UTC: 70% performance uplift over RX 6950 XT!
20:21 UTC: The card is surprisingly compact.
20:21 UTC: 355 W board power, just two 8-pin
20:22 UTC: RX 7900 XT
20:22 UTC: DisplayPort 2.1 allows you to actually play at 4K @ 480 Hz
20:24 UTC: Samsung unveils an 8K Ultrawide for CES
20:24 UTC: 8K @ 165 Hz possible
20:26 UTC: 96 FPS AC: Valhalla at 8K!

20:27 UTC: Halo Infinite to get Ray Tracing
20:27 UTC: Ray Tracing Performance is +60% over the previous generation:
20:28 UTC: Oh joy, a tech demo:
20:30 UTC: AMD FSR3 with Fluid Motion Frames announced: DLSS 3-like frame generation: Coming in 2023
20:32 UTC: In summary:
20:37 UTC: Hyper-RX unifies Boost and Anti-Lag into a single one-click feature:
20:41 UTC: SmartAccess Video leverages video-acceleration of both the GPU and the Ryzen 7000-series iGPU:
20:34 UTC: AMD Advantage coming to pre-built desktops, combine RX 7000-series with Ryzen 7000-series processors:
20:42 UTC: AMD is aggressively pricing the Radeon RX 7900 XTX at $999, and RX 7900 XT at $899, both available from December 13

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143 Comments on AMD Radeon RDNA3 Graphics Launch Event Live-blog: RX 7000 Series, Next-Generation Performance

#76
phanbuey
ARFlol if that price is high, then nvidia must pay you to take their RTX 4090 :D
hate just about everything about the 4090 and nvidia in general. But the performance and DLSS are very good. The rest is a bunch of bs, down to the purchasing experience.

the overall uplift looks promising but a 62 to 42 FPS uplift in RT when the claimed raster uplift is 1.5x+ is kind of pitiful.

It looks to be be the same story as the 6900xt/6950xt where in certain games is beats the 4080/4090 but at 4k with eyecandy up it will be trading blows with a 4070.
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#77
Xuper
the54thvoidThe AMD slide says 4K RT performance. That 62 fps is 4k with FSR.
let's say both are FSR so 62/42 = 1.47 , if we remove FSR , will this remain 1.47 ?
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#78
evernessince
john_At least prices are good. But also shows that they know it. Without a killer performance in RT, they couldn't price them higher. They have to work on RT. They should have done it with RDNA3, they didn't. Copying Nvidia and Intel trolls here "Let's wait for RDNA4".
For the love of god, stop spamming this thread with the same comment over and over.

We know you don't think the RT performance is good. You made the same comment 4 times, each time acting as if you are posting the first time on the subject.
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#79
cvaldes
AusWolfVery nice! Now where is my 7700 XT? :rockout:
In a lab in Santa Clara, California. You might be lucky to see it on the market by Easter 2023.
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#80
john_
AnotherReaderWhile I agree that AMD should target higher RT performance, the stupid 3050 selling better than the 6600 is because of ignorant consumers. The 3050 tier of cards isn't meant for raytracing.
High end products, sell also mid range and low end products. That's the case in at least the last 20 years. People see reviews of RTX 4090 and then go and buy RTX 3050, thinking that this cheap model will have the same kind of magic as the big and ultra expensive one. It's not just naive people, it's proven consumer psychology.

I saw replies of others to my posts and I disagree. In PCs RayTracing is the main feature to grab the attention of gamers and enthusiasts and drive hype around your name. Nvidia knows this and that's why it's focusing there and also giving away fake frames with DLSS 3. Nvidia was trying to cheat in 3D for at least 15 years now and with upscaling technics becoming more than good enough to become acceptable, even desirable, they are really grabbing all the attention and for one more generation, that let's not forget means 2 full years, gamers will still be dreaming Nvidia hardware, Nvidia will keep strengthening it's brand and AMD will start looking again as a second class option. With Intel having the full support of OEMs, AMD could be in a very difficult position. Unable to sell at high end because of Nvidia, unable to sell at lower end because of Intel.
This is a very bad strategy here.
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#81
AnotherReader
PunkenjoyIt's at 4k,

the proper screenshot is
tpucdn.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-strix-oc/images/cyberpunk-2077-rt-3840-2160.png

but with FSR, not sure if FSR 1.0 or FSR 2.0. I could use FSR 2.x performance but i dont want to use FSR 1.0 Performance, even at 4k. (i would prefer to turn of Raytracing instead).

Not sure where that lead us. I am not that impressed, but i think the price is right. That lead to the 7900xtx to be a competitor of the 4080 more than the 4090 in my opinion but it look priced accordingly.

That card seems to be competitive with a 4080 16 GB so it's not a total failure. It's just people only care about flagship even if only few people buying it. We will see the real benchmark but i'm kinda disapointed right now. Not super disapointed, i think it's okay, but let say not super hyped.
It's likely to be closer in rasterization to the 4090 than the 4080 16 GB. However, raytracing performance is likely to be lower than 4080 16 GB.
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#82
N3M3515
The $1200 rtx 4080 was an insult. Now the 7900 xtx comfirms it. Likely closer to the 4090 than the 4080 (remeber there is a gigantic gape between 4080 and 4090). And for $200 less.
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#83
john_
Mr.Mopar392MOST FOLKS DON'T NOT CARE ABOUT RT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! FPS IS STILL KING I'll glad turn up the in game graphics than to use some gimmicks crap.
Explain Steam statistics where every card with a meaningful market share is an Nvidia one.
You DON'T HAVE AN IDEA WHAT MOST FOLKS CARE ABOUT. And I am not saying that I know better. I say JUST LOOK AT THE DAMN MARKET SHARE NUMBERS AND SALES.
My God WAKE UP.
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#84
Dyatlov A
It is like their Ryzen 7000 series processors, good, but not extraordinary
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#86
N3M3515
john_Explain Steam statistics where every card with a meaningful market share is an Nvidia one.
You DON'T HAVE AN IDEA WHAT MOST FOLKS CARE ABOUT. And I am not saying that I know better. I say JUST LOOK AT THE DAMN MARKET SHARE NUMBERS AND SALES.
My God WAKE UP.
Why the push for that crap when there is such a few games that support it?, let it go......i have a list of almost 70 games bought on steam and none of them support rt.
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#87
revanoctis
Even if Nvidia lowers the 4080 to $999 to match, you still have to deal with the shitty 12vhpwr connector. So add a few hundred to upgrade to ATX 3.0, cablemod 90 deg adapter, or custom PSU cables.

I'd much rather go with the 7900 XTX if the pricing is similar.
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#88
spnidel
a really rough and probably incorrect calculation of the 7900 XT's performance based on CU count and clock speeds (96CU vs 84CU; 2.3ghz vs 2.0ghz) puts it at 76% of the XTX performance - I really want to be wrong, but if that's the case, wtf were they thinking pricing them $100 apart? maybe that's the intention, to get people to buy the $1k card over the $0.9k one?
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#89
john_
zValerowhat, where are 7800XT 7700XT 7600XT? they are making the mistake again!!!!!
They still sell 6000 series. If they where bringing out an 7700XT at $700, how would they be selling those 6950s in the market?
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#90
evernessince
HofnaerrchenPersonally I am mostly interested in the new Adrenaline features and FSR 3, that don't seem to be RDNA3 only features - like DLSS 3 is RTX 4000 only. Apart from that I think pricing and features on RDNA3 are more compelling than RTX 4000. RTX 4000, especially 4090 and maybe even 4080 16GB might be faster - based on shown raw performance - than RDNA3 but who cares about raw performance when you cannot put it on screen (DP 1.4 vs 2.1), especially when it comes to actual pricing.

TLDR: In your face nVIDIA!
If you do the math, 70% faster than a 6950 XT at 4K equals 96.9% of the performance of the 4090. Mind you, the 4090 doesn't get anywhere near that much at lower resolutions.

The 4080 has less than 60% of the shader cores of a 4090. That GPU will be closer to a 3090 Ti than to the 7900 XTX.

TBH the more interesting metric might be performance at 1080p and 2K to see if these cards run into the same bottleneck the 4090 does.
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#91
Broken Processor
john_Explain Steam statistics where every card with a meaningful market share is an Nvidia one.
You DON'T HAVE AN IDEA WHAT MOST FOLKS CARE ABOUT. And I am not saying that I know better. I say JUST LOOK AT THE DAMN MARKET SHARE NUMBERS AND SALES.
My God WAKE UP.
Yes but that in turn doesn't mean they purchased the card's for RT.
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#92
ARF
zValerowhat, where are 7800XT 7700XT 7600XT? they are making the mistake again!!!!!
Those will come later - in Q1 2023 and Q2/3 2023. I guess around CES 2023 and Computex 2023.
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#93
phanbuey
Dyatlov AIt is like their Ryzen 7000 series processors, good, but not extraordinary
Yep - just like that everyone will be surprised when they don't sell.
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#94
john_
evernessinceFor the love of god, stop spamming this thread with the same comment over and over.

We know you don't think the RT performance is good. You made the same comment 4 times, each time acting as if you are posting the first time on the subject.
I am not spamming anything. You just don't like my point of view. Deal with it.
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#95
ARF
They will sell. At least one piece please reserve for me :)
ARFThank you, AMD! Wow :eek:
I am in for an RX 7900 XT 20 GB for 900. 4K@480 and 8K@165, full AV1 support, DP 2.1 here I come.
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#96
revanoctis
Eh that's kinda different. The 7000 series CPUs are horrible value against Raptor Lake esp when you factor in the AM5 chipset upgrade. RDNA3 may not be impressive but makes up for it in value and more importantly (hopefully) availability.
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#97
john_
N3M3515Why the push for that crap when there is such a few games that support it?, let it go......i have a list of almost 70 games bought on steam and none of them support rt.
Nvidia's marketing, it's market share and the friendly tech press, which is the majority of tech press, will always point at Nvidia's winning points over AMD. And I will repeat what I posted above (but this thread is more like a chat at the moment anyway). High end cards sell low and mid range cards. People buy RTX 3050 because of RTX 3090 and now RTX 4090. It's just consumer mentality. Also Intel's ARC, with all it's failures, the bad drivers and compatibility problems, seems to be offering higher RT performance. So, even Intel seems more serious there. AMD's brand will be damaged even further the next 2 years in graphics and with Ryzen 7000 having problems in desktops, thank God Sapphire Rapids is a mess.
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#98
Hofnaerrchen
evernessinceIf you do the math, 70% faster than a 6950 XT at 4K equals 96.9% of the performance of the 4090. Mind you, the 4090 doesn't get anywhere near that much at lower resolutions.

The 4080 has less than 60% of the shader cores of a 4090. That GPU will be closer to a 3090 Ti than to the 7900 XTX.

TBH the more interesting metric might be performance at 1080p and 2K to see if these cards run into the same bottleneck the 4090 does.
Looks like we have a team red fanboy here... you should have read my comment more closely: I compared RAW performance (RDNA3 61TFLOPs vs. AD102 83TFLOPs) and based on that - and because AMD themselves were overmodest themselves about the announcement ("Fastest GPU below 1k$) - it is not that hard to assume that the RTX 4090 will keep it's crown when it comes to 4k+ performance. Though it is important, that nVIDIA might not be able to bring the performance - especially with competitive sttings - to display because of technical (DP 1.4) restrictions.
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#99
john_
HofnaerrchenLooks like we have a team red fanboy here... you should have read my comment more closely: I compared RAW performance (RDNA3 61TFLOPs vs. AD102 83TFLOPs) and based on that - and because AMD themselves were overmodest themselves about the announcement ("Fastest GPU below 1k$) - it is not that hard to assume that the RTX 4090 will keep it's crown when it comes to 4k+ performance. Though it is important, that nVIDIA might not be able to bring the performance - especially with competitive sttings - to display because of technical (DP 1.4) restrictions.
There is one little hope here for 7000 series. With AMD staying at lower frequency than expected from most of us, probably to achieve their "over 50%" performance per watt goal, we could see custom cards from AIBs hitting a 20-40% overclock in the near future. Those cards will probably be going at 400W or over, but thanks to Nvidia, there are plenty of coolers out there to deal with that power consumption.
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#100
AusWolf
Mr.Mopar392MOST FOLKS DON'T NOT CARE ABOUT RT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! FPS IS STILL KING I'll glad turn up the in game graphics than to use some gimmicks crap.
What fps is king? 300? 500? Come on... High-end products SHOULD focus on RT these days. Still pushing for frames even beyond hundreds of FPS is stupid.
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