The true reason for the high prices, they still very much dont want to compete with their own products

ZoneDymoThe true reason for the high prices, they still very much dont want to compete with their own products

The world is playing catch up to a pandemic and a crypto boom, while we are in a period of inflation.

Every peak has a counter effect. They want to move product, we decide whether they are allowed to.

It doesn't make much sense imo. In the US the RTX 3080 10GB starts at $980 (Zotac) and goes up from there. For the same price or less (depending on availability) the 4070 Ti 12GB is going to stomp that card.

If you're going to buy four-year-old technology, buy it off the used market for half price.

Sure, you can get scammed if you're an idiot, but especially when it comes to the 1660-series , they weren't a good choice for mining, especially not in farms, and looking at how many sales on eBay are working vs "parts only" they don't seem to have many reliability issues. Buy one with a backplate so that the PCB components were protected and about $100 will get you something decent. Use eBay and you get a money-back guarantee if it doesn't match the description of a working card anyway.

Anyone buying a new 16-series card today is getting a bad deal, unless new prices drop to well under $150. At the $220+ asking prices for many of the 1660-series, you can pick up a new RX 6600 which is 50% faster, gets better FSR results than 16-series, can raytrace in lighter titles, and has lower power consumption.

Where reasonable priced 3060 Ti GDDR6X 12GB

@btarunr

". The company didn't had these at launch,"

you mean didn't 'have' these at launch.

ZoneDymoThe true reason for the high prices, they still very much dont want to compete with their own products

Im sure you've heard about the Nvidia and EVGA fiasco by now. Nvidia are really controlling the price and board partners arent allowed to undercut Nvidia's own line of FE cards.

So they are stuck. I think GamersNexus also mentioned that the profit margins for Nvidia cards are also quite low. So they arent able to make a huge amount of money off it - Its one of the many reasons why EVGA ducked out. The only board partners or affiliates that can really survive are big companies that are already well established and have all infrastructure. Similar to that of Asus. but Asus also does a lot of other things too. EVGA tried branching out into different areas by doing peripherals, soundcards and monitors but those markets can be quite niche or very highly competitive if not both at the same time.

ReadlightWhere reasonable priced 3060 Ti GDDR6X 12GB

3060Ti has a 256-bit memory bus, so it's an 8GB card.

As for reasonable price? GDDR6X is expensive, requires more power, requires more power delivery on the card, requires more cooling.

I would ignore and forget about the 3060Ti GDDR6X, unless you happen to see it on sale for the same price as a regular GDDR6 variant. Because of the additional costs of assembling a GDDR6X card, you're unlikely to find them much cheaper than a base-model 3070, which is faster anyway.

Ummm...16 series cards.... whahdemtiz ??????

But seriously, do they REALLY believe anyone would buy them nowadays, except for maybe general office use, email, browsing etc....especially if they are over $100...

And with scalperz prices seemingly still in effect for the 30 series, they are almost an equally bad deal also..... what a clusterfook :D

I would not expect them to be cheap... I doubt nVIDIA - while being happy of clearing their stores - is very keen on letting someone being late to the party sell their goods at a much lower price than the companies that are now out of stocks. nVIDIA wants to sell 4000 series GPUs and one way to make the high prices look good: Missing cheap alternatives.

Chrispy_If you're going to buy four-year-old technology, buy it off the used market for half price.

Sure, you can get scammed if you're an idiot, but especially when it comes to the 1660-series , they weren't a good choice for mining, especially not in farms, and looking at how many sales on eBay are working vs "parts only" they don't seem to have many reliability issues. Buy one with a backplate so that the PCB components were protected and about $100 will get you something decent. Use eBay and you get a money-back guarantee if it doesn't match the description of a working card anyway.

Anyone buying a new 16-series card today is getting a bad deal, unless new prices drop to well under $150. At the $220+ asking prices for many of the 1660-series, you can pick up a new RX 6600 which is 50% faster, gets better FSR results than 16-series, can raytrace in lighter titles, and has lower power consumption.

It has also been proven time and again that mining doesn't ruin cards, idiots do. 3060/3070 are particularly safe. 3080s/3090s can have ram borked if they ran them wrong.
highest risk with any used card is thermal paste dry up, which you can fix with a repaste.

PatriotIt has also been proven time and again that mining doesn't ruin cards, idiots do. 3060/3070 are particularly safe. 3080s/3090s can have ram borked if they ran them wrong.
highest risk with any used card is thermal paste dry up, which you can fix with a repaste.

Yep, I sold my own 24 used mining cards with a warranty.

9 months into that 1 year warranty so far and it looks like I'm going to get through the 1 year I offered (on cards that were already 2 years old when I sold them) scott-free.

IMO the highest risk with a mining card isn't paste, it's worn fan bearings.

Is that the same epic cooling solution that is installed on Biostars AMD variants? If so, have fun :D

"the past couple of years, remained as an AMD-exclusive board partner."
And they won a giant lollipop ? :D

I will stick to MSI, what ever model, this has a decent in performance cooler.
Let's not forget, ASUS along MSI, they are also PRIME developers at graphic cards cooling systems, high performance air cooling.

kiriakostLet's not forget, ASUS along MSI, they are also PRIME developers at graphic cards cooling systems, high performance air cooling.

There have been some really terrible ASUS cards with woeful coolers. Phoenix series, for example - which ASUS have tried to bury because they reviewed so poorly that ASUS didn't dare re-use the name. Some of the DUAL models are pushing their coolers to the upper limit of tolerable fan noise - I've actually returned some 3060 DUALs for being unacceptably noisy compared to multiple other brands I'm buying on the regular.

Better late than never, right ?

No, dam, stop selling new rtx-30 series cards. I need to pay less than 600can delivered for a stupid used 3070. Arg.

Hey, why not?

Chrispy_There have been some really terrible ASUS cards with woeful coolers. Phoenix series, for example - which ASUS have tried to bury because they reviewed so poorly that ASUS didn't dare re-use the name. Some of the DUAL models are pushing their coolers to the upper limit of tolerable fan noise - I've actually returned some 3060 DUALs for being unacceptably noisy compared to multiple other brands I'm buying on the regular.

I'll be completely honest. Outside of the Strix and TUF cards, Asus makes shit cards. And don't get me started on Gigacrap....

Gmr_ChickI'll be completely honest. Outside of the Strix and TUF cards, Asus makes shit cards. And don't get me started on Gigacrap....

Gigacrap has also best and worst surprises to offer, at motherboards they do a better job.
INTEL does good homework before any new chip-set release, so most motherboards they are considered as safe bet.

My Gigacrap racing motherboard, this is truly excellent.

ASUS cannot offer first class R&D in everything, ASUS Mini series of graphic cards comes with excellent cooler (dual fan), but no one looking at that range of products.
BIOSTAR at least in Greece, its an option for someone who never had a PC before.

Gmr_ChickI'll be completely honest. Outside of the Strix and TUF cards, Asus makes shit cards. And don't get me started on Gigacrap....

I absolutely LOATHE ASUS. At one time they had some good quality products. Of course it came with a premium, but the stuff at one time was good. Then the quality went down hill. And it did not matter what I purchased the product would eventually fail faster than other competing products.

MSI and Biostar I have had no issues with. Biostar was the sleeper for me as I bought their X370 MB.. No frills but it was not Junk. It worked well with my 1800X.

This feels like just mining card factory refurbished under Biostar...

johnspackNo, dam, stop selling new rtx-30 series cards. I need to pay less than 600can delivered for a stupid used 3070. Arg.

You wouldn't even get close to a 3060Ti in the UK for that money.

Tatty_OneYou wouldn't even get close to a 3060Ti in the UK for that money.

600 Canadian is about £370 which is £20 more than I bought my 3070 for last year.

Current ebay.co.uk sell price of a clean, working, used 3060Ti with no caveats in the description is £240-290.

www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=3060Ti&_in_kw=1&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&_udlo=239&_sadis=15&_stpos=EC3N+1DY&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=3&_sop=15&_dmd=1&_ipg=60&LH_Complete=1&LH_ItemCondition=3000&rt=nc

Chrispy_600 Canadian is about £370 which is £20 more than I bought my 3070 for last year.

Current ebay.co.uk sell price of a clean, working, used 3060Ti with no caveats in the description is £240-290.

www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=3060Ti&_in_kw=1&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&_udlo=239&_sadis=15&_stpos=EC3N+1DY&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=3&_sop=15&_dmd=1&_ipg=60&LH_Complete=1&LH_ItemCondition=3000&rt=nc

Yeah I was talking brand new from an internet retailer, the prices have actually gone up over the last 3 months by around 15%. I paid £389 for mine in early September, nowhere close to that now I think.

Tatty_OneYeah I was talking brand new from an internet retailer, the prices have actually gone up over the last 3 months by around 15%. I paid £389 for mine in early September, nowhere close to that now I think.

Ah okay, you quoted a comment about used cards for under 600CAD, that's all.

Nobody should be buying Ampere new now, especially not at the ugly prices Nvidia want for them. I really can't recommend anything new from Nvidia at all below a 3070 when the RX6600 significantly outperforms the 3060-12GB for $€£100 less, the RX6700-10GB gets within sniffing distance of a 3060Ti for $€£100 less, and neither of the Geforce options are fast enough to meaningfully raytrace anything the Radeon cards can't also raytrace.

3070 can at least raytrace at 1080p in the DXR-heavy titles like CP2077 but buying one new at this point for around $550 is madness when a 4070 is probably only a month away and likely to be $549-649