ThrashZoneHi,
Boy you think items cost a lot now just wait for that to be enacted :eek:

R0H1TYes 5 years old phones are slow but perfectly fine for their primary use.

R0H1TIf you use them carefully you can easily get 5 years of use, just buy a rugged case & don't charge over 80-90% & avoid discharge under 10-20% for prolonged battery life ~
batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries
Yes 5 years old phones are slow but perfectly fine for their primary use.

I haven't had batteries fail in recent times with some phones over 4+ year old. It does take some doing but you can carefully manage their usage & usability over a good amount of time.

ThrashZoneHi,
This brings the question who is using a 10 year old device especially cell phone when they're outdated after 4 and battery is crap after 2 maybe 3 at best
Selling/ auto including 10 year warranties will be pretty expensive careful what you ask for EU you guys and gals are already seeing higher prices :laugh:

R0H1TIf you use them carefully you can easily get 5 years of use, just buy a rugged case & don't charge over 80-90% & avoid discharge under 10-20% for prolonged battery life ~
batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries
Yes 5 years old phones are slow but perfectly fine for their primary use.

I haven't had batteries fail in recent times with some phones over 4+ year old. It does take some doing but you can carefully manage their usage & usability over a good amount of time.

R0H1TIt was a legitimate argument probably 5 years back, not anymore because battery chemistries have also improved. We're getting 800-1000 charge cycles in some phones now & probably higher in others. You have to be kinda wasteful to blow that in 2-3 years!

bugThis isn't just about phones. It's about TVs, refrigerators and whatnot.

dgianstefaniCharging once a day is normal.

bugThis isn't just about phones. It's about TVs, refrigerators and whatnot.

lexluthermiesterTrue. But with companies not supporting the vast majority of them, they get outdated and become unusable.

bugTbh, I wanted to give away a tablet that was collecting dust in a drawer. Working fine, no repairs needed. Lo and behold, Google Play would want nothing to do with it anymore (even if it was still listed as supported). It would seem we (customers) are up against layered defenses.

ThrashZoneHi,
Indeed supporting devises this long is pretty crazy seeing tech will not stand still near that long.

We're not just talking about home appliances here, but also phones and tablets, as well as other consumer electronics, as well as commercial computers. That said, some devices will only be required to have a five year supply of parts and components, which makes sense for some more affordable products.

SquaredWhy are laws like this always about regulating what the consumer is allowed to buy? Why not instead require transparency to the user about what the repair options might be?

Put iPhones on the store shelf and they say "$800, screen replacement $500, screens not available for purchase" and a more repairable phone might say "$800, screen replacement $200, screens for purchase $100".

ThrashZoneHi,
Indeed supporting devises this long is pretty crazy seeing tech will not stand still near that long.

bugI'll just quote from the article:

The biggest concern about the new directive is that it doesn't mention anything about the cost of the repairs, so we could end up seeing price gouging on spare parts and repair costs, which would make the new directive moot, as it could be cheaper getting a new product rather than having it repaired.

droopyROI would rather see them removing and making illegal those stupid "warranty stickers".

Shrek"A new directive from the EU wants its member states to implement new right to repair laws that require hardware manufacturers to repair products up to 10 years from the date of purchase."

Doesn't seem fair; what if I purchase 'new old stock'?

Bomby569this is not free repairs, it just means they can't sell you something and refuse to repair even if you pay, or not even have spare parts for it after 2 or 3 years.

droopyROI would rather see them removing and making illegal those stupid "warranty stickers".

Vayra86Absolute bullshit... tech does last that long if its built to last that long. Performance isnt really a big argument anymore either. Support period is a choice, not a reality. Chip perf is barely moving forward and chips can and do last 10 years. Or 30.

Support isnt a problem either if you build something that is based on compatibility. Windows is proving this for about as long as I live.

ThrashZoneHi,
More like tamper sticker
If a manufacture sees it's gone or disturbed they will do a deeper look on the inside on a rma claim.


Hi,
Guess you should be talking to MS about win-11 hardware restrictions then or maybe the EU will after this is enacted :cool:

droopyROWell, if that sticker is tampered with you loose the warranty in Romania(that somehow is part of the EU). Coincidentally i just got a temporary ban on a local forum a few days ago. For suggesting that there is no reason for a manufacturer to deny the customer to do maintanance, to clean or install custom cooling on his product, in this case GPU. Or a pre-build PC system, to upgrade RAM or add SSD or clean it. The "reasons" i was told to my the mods of that forum, were like reading from a corporate lawyer's playbook, stuff like "you are not an authorized person" or "you don't know what size the thermal pads" are and the classic "it's within specs" even if the bloody vRAM is over 100ºC.