Thursday, August 24th 2023
AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT and RX 7700 XT Reference Design Pictured
AMD, in a now-deleted tweet, revealed what it is probably going to announce later today—the Radeon RX 7800 XT and RX 7700 XT desktop graphics cards. The company briefly tweeted the marketing flier for these cards, before deleting it, but not before VideoCardz saved a copy. This flier confirms the SKU names RX 7800 XT and RX 7700 XT up for launch; and gives us two images of the Made by AMD (reference design) graphics card. It appears like AMD is using a common board design for both SKUs.
The reference Radeon RX 7800 XT appears to be a slightly shrunk down version of the RX 7900 XT reference. The dual-slot card comes with two axial-flow fans instead of three on the RX 7900 XT. The card draws power from two 8-pin PCIe power connectors. Earlier this month, a leak by PowerColor spilled the beans on the RX 7800 XT being based on the "Navi 32" silicon. A chiplet-based GPU just like the "Navi 31" powering the RX 7900 series; the Navi 32 is maxed out by the RX 7800 XT, and packs 3,840 stream processors, 120 AI accelerators, 60 Ray accelerators, 64 MB of Infinity Cache memory, and a 256-bit GDDR6 memory interface, which holds 16 GB of memory on the RX 7800 XT. Specs of the RX 7700 XT remain under the wraps.
Sources:
VideoCardz, AMD Radeon (Twitter)
The reference Radeon RX 7800 XT appears to be a slightly shrunk down version of the RX 7900 XT reference. The dual-slot card comes with two axial-flow fans instead of three on the RX 7900 XT. The card draws power from two 8-pin PCIe power connectors. Earlier this month, a leak by PowerColor spilled the beans on the RX 7800 XT being based on the "Navi 32" silicon. A chiplet-based GPU just like the "Navi 31" powering the RX 7900 series; the Navi 32 is maxed out by the RX 7800 XT, and packs 3,840 stream processors, 120 AI accelerators, 60 Ray accelerators, 64 MB of Infinity Cache memory, and a 256-bit GDDR6 memory interface, which holds 16 GB of memory on the RX 7800 XT. Specs of the RX 7700 XT remain under the wraps.
64 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT and RX 7700 XT Reference Design Pictured
Why would they leave the whole market just for being behind on sales numbers alone?
And what about the cancelled RDNA 4 projects? How will they break even with smaller and less diverse product stack in the coming years?
No one is going to buy Radeon, except a few die-hard loyalists.
Let's say you and I own two companies selling the same thing for a similar price. My company employs 10 people and we sell 200 units a month. Yours employs 10,000 people and you sell 200,000 units a month. Doesn't that mean that we're at an equal profit? (If we disregard the fact that you probably need a much larger depot to run the business)
What do you think about RX 7800 XT and RX 7700 XT?
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Radeon RX 7800 XT with its 3840 shaders is actually a downgrade from RX 6800 XT with as many as 4608 shaders - this is 768 shaders LESS and almost 20% LESS.
Radeon RX 7700 XT with its miserable 12 GB VRAM is also not good enough, no matter how much they beefed the specs elsewhere.
They can't market a product with the "7800XT" name at a price lower than that of "6800XT" price. It will look strange to the eyes of the random uninformed buyer. And that's the target audience. They can drop the price AFTER ALL the 6800XT/6800 quantity is gone from the market. Not to mention that a bad price on 7800XT might help move 6800XT/6800 cards faster. People who intent to pay AMD and NOT Nvidia for their next card, might be persuaded to buy a 6800XT, if they see an inferior 7800XT at the same or slightly higher price. AMD might play the AI card in their marketing if RDNA3 is better than RDNA2 in that area(I think it is?), to try to justify the extra price. AV1 and latest display connectivity will also be used. Also, OEMs aren't buying retail. AMD might be selling 7800XT at a higher price than 6800XT to the individual consumer, like me or you, but a big OEM could be buying an 7800XT at a lower price than a 6800XT.
7700XT at a price at $400, will be advertised as having "50% more VRAM than the 8GB 4600 Ti", at the same price while beating 4060 Ti in many cases (where RT is not heavily used or not used at all). 7700 XT is not DOA in any case. Probably the only one out of those two that might make any sense. Except if it's specs are much lower than those expected.
For $400, it's neither great nor is it terrible. For any substantial discount (e.g. $370), it'll be anything but DoA.
Looking at RT, 7700 XT might be equal to 6800.
So, $499?
HMMMMMMMMMM
Now, I'm not saying you're a liar, but.......
So to match 6800's raw performance, you just need to get 11.5 percent more clock speed and it's easy peasy when it comes down to RDNA3. My wild guess there will be 3 or maybe 3+ GHz 7700 XTs which are faster than OC 6800 in every scenario despite having substantially less VRAM and VRAM bandwidth (18 GHz on a 192 bit bus resounding 432 GBps (VS 512 GBps in RX 6800)).
I also have to remind you the fact RX 6800 has the lowest core clock in the whole line-up. Nothing is slown down as much as 6800.Complete robbery. This is borderline OK for 7800 XT which will NOT be feasible be it more than 500 bucks worth. For 7700 XT, $500 is as much of a robbery as it is in asking $500 for a 4060 Ti 16 GB.
$380 and $460 respectively are the highest adequate ratings for 7700 XT and 7800 XT respectively. Anything more will mean NO ONE buys them till there is no other option.Yes but VRAM bandwidth is complete bollocks. 432 GBps is not quite great for 1080p, let alone 1440p.
12 GB is not ok except if you want to throw your card in the trash in a year or two when new titles that require more VRAM gets released.
www.techspot.com/article/2670-vram-use-games/
And I don't advocate anything. I just judge every product based on what it is and what it does, and not on pre-release marketing material or raw tech details. As for the 7800 XT, we don't know anything, yet.
Then again calling it 7700XT instead of 7800 non XT, could mean a price close to $450, or even lower, to $400. Then 7800XT should also come lower, at $500 because of the small performance gap.
Radeon RX 7700 XT 12GB (530$) claimed to be faster than RX 6800 XT 16GB:
www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7700-xt.c3911
Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB (580$) claimed to be slower than RX 6800 XT 16GB:
www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7800-xt.c3839
We have no idea what the performance will be. How many chiplets does the 7800Xt have vs the single chip that is the 6800XT?
We are going to see something now as AMD is live streaming at Gamescom right now.
Well $499 for the 7800XT and 449 for the 7700XT. Now good but not badYou are quoting Euro prices.
AMD Just confirmed that FSR 3.0 will also support consoles and you know that means handhelds too. The thing is Frame generation is coming to all GPUs as well. It is coming sooner rather than later too.
Performance tiers shifted both with AMD and Nvidia and that's another debate...
Dual fan design is fine and compact. AIBs can have their own design.
Reference cards are usually more compact, by choice.
This means that smaller and more neat builds are possible.