Wednesday, November 8th 2023

AMD Puts Radeon Vega and Polaris GPUs on a Slower Driver Update Track

AMD is weaning the market off its older gaming graphics card series that predate the Radeon RX 5000 series. The company is reportedly putting older GPUs based on the "Vega" and "Polaris" graphics architectures on a slower driver update track, which means driver updates to these GPUs will be less frequent. The company's RX 5000, RX 6000, and RX 7000 series, on the other hand, will continue on with the current driver update track that includes one or more driver releases each month, including releases to fix glaring game bugs, or day-zero performance updates.

AMD over the past couple of months began segregating RDNA (RX 5000 series and later) and pre-RDNA (older than RX 5000 series) GPUs through their driver releases. The latest drivers come in an RDNA-only package (denoted by "rdna" in the installer's file name), which is around 600 MB in size; and a larger 1.1 GB package that supports both RDNA and pre-RDNA GPUs. The company now announced that the pre-RDNA GPUs will switch to a slower driver update track as is characteristic with older-generation GPUs that AMD wants to discontinue support for.
In a statement to AnandTech, AMD says:
The AMD Polaris and Vega graphics architectures are mature, stable and performant and don't benefit as much from regular software tuning. Going forward, AMD is providing critical updates for Polaris- and Vega-based products via a separate driver package, including important security and functionality updates as available. The committed support is greater than for products AMD categorizes as legacy, and gamers can still enjoy their favorite games on Polaris and Vega-based products.
So what are these pre-RDNA GPUs? These would span the Radeon RX 400 and RX 500 series "Polaris," the RX Vega series, and the Radeon VII. The Radeon RX 5000 series is now over 4 years old in the market, which makes the RX Vega series 6 years into the market, the RX 500 series 7 years, and the RX 400 series 8 years old.
Source: AnandTech
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127 Comments on AMD Puts Radeon Vega and Polaris GPUs on a Slower Driver Update Track

#101
AusWolf
Dr. Drotrend to simply give up on hardware that's 5 years old at best
Who gave up on it? It will still get driver updates. I don't see it as giving up.
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#102
remekra
Dr. DroTheir endless poor decisions and trend to simply give up on hardware that's 5 years old at best with tons of outstanding issues, of course.
Still better than giving up on one generation old hardware and not releasing a feature for it ;)
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#103
Evildead666
Dr. DroNo, it's just the driver. I get the same with my non Pro 5600H sometimes. There was also a broken hdmi audio driver causing bsod's, absolutely hilarious.



The big deal is these unprofessional jokers who keep getting a pass, that's why they'll never improve.
My My My, My fingers are itching ;)

We should get you on a direct line to AMD, your insight is going to save their company from certain failure !

Thread title

"AMD Puts Radeon Vega and Polaris GPUs on a Slower Driver Update Track "

and somehow people read "AMD is stopping all driver support for Vega and Polaris GPU's!!!!! Panic Now !!!"

Maybe we can organize a collective trip to an Opticians ?
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#104
mechtech
ShihabMust be nice, not going all "this one will finally make wayland work!" every month...
Update cycle on my old RX480 was probably even longer.............. maybe I'm just lucky??

Was thinking of updating over the Christmas holidays........maybe.........if I have time ;)


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#105
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
Fine. I just played some games on my Vega 64 in Linux with the 6.2 kernel and everything seems to run flawlessly. It holds its own pretty well for a 6 year old GPU on a 12 year old platform (3930k, X79.)
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#106
RayneYoruka
AquinusFine. I just played some games on my Vega 64 in Linux with the 6.2 kernel and everything seems to run flawlessly. It holds its own pretty well for a 6 year old GPU on a 12 year old platform (3930k, X79.)
In linux it will run far better compared to windows xD

Linux + AMD =:peace:
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#107
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
RayneYorukaIn linux it will run far better compared to windows xD

Linux + AMD =:peace:
It hasn't always been that way. I had a R9 390 that was flat out painful to use. Awesome GPU when it worked for the time, but driver support was pretty sad. I feel like with Vega AMD finally started taking their Linux support seriously.

Hell, being able to write to /proc to overclock your GPU is awesome.
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#108
RayneYoruka
AquinusIt hasn't always been that way. I had a R9 390 that was flat out painful to use. Awesome GPU when it worked for the time, but driver support was pretty sad. I feel like with Vega AMD finally started taking their Linux support seriously.

Hell, being able to write to /proc to overclock your GPU is awesome.
Yep, before it was pretty messy and I can confirm as in the past decade I've been daily driving linux (except this past 4 years) where I started using a bit more of both win and lin, it was indeed with vega that they took it seriously which it was about time!

There is pretty cool tricks that you could do without needing extra tools!
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#109
Dr. Dro
AusWolfWho gave up on it? It will still get driver updates. I don't see it as giving up.
I'm not so forgiving. It's yet another negative to buying Radeon in my eyes.
Evildead666My My My, My fingers are itching ;)

We should get you on a direct line to AMD, your insight is going to save their company from certain failure !

Thread title

"AMD Puts Radeon Vega and Polaris GPUs on a Slower Driver Update Track "

and somehow people read "AMD is stopping all driver support for Vega and Polaris GPU's!!!!! Panic Now !!!"

Maybe we can organize a collective trip to an Opticians ?
Hold AMD to a high standard. Not mediocrity. Someone who purchased a GTX 980 in 2014 was able to install each and every driver released since, received new features and bug fixes as well.
remekraStill better than giving up on one generation old hardware and not releasing a feature for it ;)
Two wrongs don't make a right. If AMD didn't blunder everything they'd feel compelled.
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#110
AusWolf
Dr. DroI'm not so forgiving. It's yet another negative to buying Radeon in my eyes.

Hold AMD to a high standard. Not mediocrity. Someone who purchased a GTX 980 in 2014 was able to install each and every driver released since, received new features and bug fixes as well.

Two wrongs don't make a right. If AMD didn't blunder everything they'd feel compelled.
If you can explain why you need literally every single new driver to be installed, maybe I'll see your point. But for now, I think you're making a big deal out of nothing.
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#111
remekra
Dr. DroI'm not so forgiving. It's yet another negative to buying Radeon in my eyes.



Hold AMD to a high standard. Not mediocrity. Someone who purchased a GTX 980 in 2014 was able to install each and every driver released since, received new features and bug fixes as well.



Two wrongs don't make a right. If AMD didn't blunder everything they'd feel compelled.
It's not about two wrongs making a right.
Rather than releasing pointless drivers for old cards, it's much better to bring features to them that are not locked to newest gen of cards. How can someone ignore the fact that Vega or Polaris user can still use FSR2 and 3, while with nvidia DLSS2 is locked to RTX cards, and DLSS3 to 40 series and praise that GTX980 gets new features with those drivers?
If I was a 980 owner or 1080 I would rather have DLSS version that can run on my card rather than "Game ready" drivers every month that do not do anything.
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#112
Dwarden
RadeonProVegaI am never buying any other video cards other than Vega ones because of AMD Fluid motion being removed in the newer AMD cards. AMD Fluid motion Is like slice bread, its amazing. Its impossible for me to watch TV Shows, Movies (Blu-ray/4K/Motion2/True Theater) videos in general without having AMD Fluid motion enable. I have a 5000/6000 card, but i probably get rid of them somehow eventually.

I bought a Vega 56 early this year and my next card I am buying soon as an upgrade is a Radeon Pro VII. As for Drivers, I'm using May 2022 preview since i bought the Vega 56 early this year and i have no problems with any games or anything.
videocardz.com/newz/amd-releases-new-afmf-fluid-motion-frames-preview-driver

videocardz.com/newz/amd-fluid-motion-frames-can-be-used-for-videos-a-return-of-fluid-motion-video

www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-23-30-afmf-tech-preview

www.techpowerup.com/315602/amd-releases-preview-driver-for-fsr-3-fluid-motion-frames

gpuopen.com/fsr3-in-games-technical-details/

Fluid Motion is back and working on RX6000 and RX7000 (RDNA2 and 3) gpus

note: 5xxx was lacking the asic chip to do FM, also even before it worked only in OpenCL
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#113
RadeonProVega
Dwardenvideocardz.com/newz/amd-releases-new-afmf-fluid-motion-frames-preview-driver

videocardz.com/newz/amd-fluid-motion-frames-can-be-used-for-videos-a-return-of-fluid-motion-video

www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-23-30-afmf-tech-preview

www.techpowerup.com/315602/amd-releases-preview-driver-for-fsr-3-fluid-motion-frames

gpuopen.com/fsr3-in-games-technical-details/

Fluid Motion is back and working on RX6000 and RX7000 (RDNA2 and 3) gpus

note: 5xxx was lacking the asic chip to do FM, also even before it worked only in OpenCL
I'll test it on my 6600 tomorrow, thanks.
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#114
Tom#234
RayneYorukaI'm glad I moved to novideo in January.. I couldn't continue with the driver usues, bsods and all the other problems with my Vega 64. Almost impossible to play, VR, run even just basic encoding like OBS in any capacity and so much more.

Please everyone refrain from saying that there was "something wrong" with my build like everyone told me in r/AMD.

I can't recommend their gpus until they mature more driver wiese or unless people is on a budget, aside from that if you're running linux you're god with an AMD gpu.
Sounds like a hardware failure.
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#115
Shihab
Dr. DroSomeone who purchased a GTX 980 in 2014 was able to install each and every driver released since, received new features and bug fixes as well.
Few of those new features are enabled for 980 owners. For example, the freesync support was only enabled for the GTX10xx series. And how about those nifty DX12 Ultimate features Remedy had everyone moaning about?

The fellow who purchased a GTX 980 would be wasting 400 (500?)MB of their internet quota every couple of month on a software that has benefits exclusive to newer cards.
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#116
RayneYoruka
Tom#234Sounds like a hardware failure.
It worked fine in linux :)

Furmark will stay running without issues....
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#117
Dr. Dro
ShihabFew of those new features are enabled for 980 owners. For example, the freesync support was only enabled for the GTX10xx series. And how about those nifty DX12 Ultimate features Remedy had everyone moaning about?

The fellow who purchased a GTX 980 would be wasting 400 (500?)MB of their internet quota every couple of month on a software that has benefits exclusive to newer cards.
There are probably hardware limitations involved since monitors with an actual G-Sync chip work just fine with VRR, but Maxwell 2 (GM20x) is 12_1 hardware which basically places its DirectX feature level on par with Vega's and RDNA 1.

Which is kind of hilarious after the whole grandstanding about Maxwell and Pascal having no async compute or whatever (which isn't even true), and contemporary GCN 2/3 hardware being a distant memory and long since unsupported and abandoned by AMD. Poor Volta.

Also if anyone is living on a metered residential internet plan, especially one with a quota so strict that 400 MB of data count as precious because their ISP's battered infrastructure and/or boundless greed gets in the way, they should be evaluating how to adopt Starlink as soon as possible IMHO
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#118
AusWolf
Dr. DroAlso if anyone is living on a metered residential internet plan, especially one with a quota so strict that 400 MB of data count as precious because their ISP's battered infrastructure and/or boundless greed gets in the way, they should be evaluating how to adopt Starlink as soon as possible IMHO
If I lived on a metered connection, then GPU driver updates would be the least of my problems.
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#119
RayneYoruka
AusWolfIf I lived on a metered connection, then GPU driver updates would be the least of my problems.
It seems that most of the metered connections are... in the US lol
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#120
TheinsanegamerN
AquinusIt hasn't always been that way. I had a R9 390 that was flat out painful to use. Awesome GPU when it worked for the time, but driver support was pretty sad. I feel like with Vega AMD finally started taking their Linux support seriously.

Hell, being able to write to /proc to overclock your GPU is awesome.
That's because in 2017 AMD FINALLY pulled their head from their arse and admitted their drivers were absolute shat. Part of fixing that entailed them open sourcing the linux drivers. Once the open source community got AMD's source code it took them about 6 months to fix AMD's silliness.
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#121
RayneYoruka
TheinsanegamerNThat's because in 2017 AMD FINALLY pulled their head from their arse and admitted their drivers were absolute shat. Part of fixing that entailed them open sourcing the linux drivers. Once the open source community got AMD's source code it took them about 6 months to fix AMD's silliness.
Facts ^
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#122
TheinsanegamerN
remekraIt's not about two wrongs making a right.
Rather than releasing pointless drivers for old cards, it's much better to bring features to them that are not locked to newest gen of cards. How can someone ignore the fact that Vega or Polaris user can still use FSR2 and 3, while with nvidia DLSS2 is locked to RTX cards, and DLSS3 to 40 series and praise that GTX980 gets new features with those drivers?
If I was a 980 owner or 1080 I would rather have DLSS version that can run on my card rather than "Game ready" drivers every month that do not do anything.
If you were a 980 or 1080 owner who didnt understand the game specific fixes included in game ready drivers, I'd say you probably deserve to have an AMD card with only 5 years of support. The artificial segmentation of DLSS is a separate issue.
AusWolfIf you can explain why you need literally every single new driver to be installed, maybe I'll see your point. But for now, I think you're making a big deal out of nothing.
New driver shave new fixes for new software. Hell, we saw this LAST YEAR. Remember rDNA3? Remember how AMD put rDNA2 on the backburner for 3 months? In those three months, rDNA2 users like myself did not receive new drivers, and within that time the 6900xt went from trading blows with a 3090 to trading blows with a 3080. The forums here were absolutely LIVID that AMD would do this.
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#123
AusWolf
TheinsanegamerNNew driver shave new fixes for new software. Hell, we saw this LAST YEAR. Remember rDNA3? Remember how AMD put rDNA2 on the backburner for 3 months? In those three months, rDNA2 users like myself did not receive new drivers, and within that time the 6900xt went from trading blows with a 3090 to trading blows with a 3080. The forums here were absolutely LIVID that AMD would do this.
I was on a 6750 XT at that time and had no issue waiting for a couple of months for a new driver. Like I said, I don't upgrade every single time when a new version is out, anyway. It's not necessary.
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#124
Shihab
Dr. DroMaxwell 2 (GM20x) is 12_1 hardware which basically places its DirectX feature level on par with Vega's and RDNA 1.

Which is kind of hilarious after the whole grandstanding about Maxwell and Pascal having no async compute or whatever (which isn't even true), and contemporary GCN 2/3 hardware being a distant memory and long since unsupported and abandoned by AMD. Poor Volta
We're not comparing hardware here though, are we? Out topic is softawre.

As far as hardware is concerned, GCN1, 2, and 3 did receive some d3d feature-enabling patch-love (for whatever that was worth). No different than Maxwell.
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#125
remekra
TheinsanegamerNIf you were a 980 or 1080 owner who didnt understand the game specific fixes included in game ready drivers, I'd say you probably deserve to have an AMD card with only 5 years of support. The artificial segmentation of DLSS is a separate issue.

New driver shave new fixes for new software. Hell, we saw this LAST YEAR. Remember rDNA3? Remember how AMD put rDNA2 on the backburner for 3 months? In those three months, rDNA2 users like myself did not receive new drivers, and within that time the 6900xt went from trading blows with a 3090 to trading blows with a 3080. The forums here were absolutely LIVID that AMD would do this.
I was a 970 owner, then 1080, then 3080 and now 7900XTX. Still I have not seen those mentioned game specific fixes that nvidia includes for Pascal or even better Maxwell in their newest "Game ready" drivers, but feel free to provide them, no worries.

Also interesting about that 6900XT losing perfomance because it did not had a new driver for 3 months. You have any benchmarks comparing those? Would love to see them.
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