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AMD Puts Radeon Vega and Polaris GPUs on a Slower Driver Update Track

AMD is weaning the market off its older gaming graphics card series that predate the Radeon RX 5000 series. The company is reportedly putting older GPUs based on the "Vega" and "Polaris" graphics architectures on a slower driver update track, which means driver updates to these GPUs will be less frequent. The company's RX 5000, RX 6000, and RX 7000 series, on the other hand, will continue on with the current driver update track that includes one or more driver releases each month, including releases to fix glaring game bugs, or day-zero performance updates.

AMD over the past couple of months began segregating RDNA (RX 5000 series and later) and pre-RDNA (older than RX 5000 series) GPUs through their driver releases. The latest drivers come in an RDNA-only package (denoted by "rdna" in the installer's file name), which is around 600 MB in size; and a larger 1.1 GB package that supports both RDNA and pre-RDNA GPUs. The company now announced that the pre-RDNA GPUs will switch to a slower driver update track as is characteristic with older-generation GPUs that AMD wants to discontinue support for.
In a statement to AnandTech, AMD says:
The AMD Polaris and Vega graphics architectures are mature, stable and performant and don't benefit as much from regular software tuning. Going forward, AMD is providing critical updates for Polaris- and Vega-based products via a separate driver package, including important security and functionality updates as available. The committed support is greater than for products AMD categorizes as legacy, and gamers can still enjoy their favorite games on Polaris and Vega-based products.
So what are these pre-RDNA GPUs? These would span the Radeon RX 400 and RX 500 series "Polaris," the RX Vega series, and the Radeon VII. The Radeon RX 5000 series is now over 4 years old in the market, which makes the RX Vega series 6 years into the market, the RX 500 series 7 years, and the RX 400 series 8 years old.
Source: AnandTech
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127 Comments on AMD Puts Radeon Vega and Polaris GPUs on a Slower Driver Update Track

#76
Evildead666
You cant just make a statement on a forum, and then state you dont want anyone to talk about it.
Now you say your card may have got too hot, and the cooling wasnt optimal.
"Someone" might think the drivers arent responsible for that.
RayneYorukaYeah, the difference between 5000 vs 6000 is like day and night


Totally, my Vega wasn't without it's issues in that sense, suspend, random crashes, driver timouts etc. I've had R7 and temporary R9 200 series and they had some of their issues too.. A friend of mine, their R9 had the same issue as yours, the Vram got crispy even after cooling properly the VRM with extra heatsinks.

My vega was a first revission, it didn't have the "filling" in between the dies, okay that was totally fine.
My VRM got cooked to 95c unless I cranked up the fan speed to 100%.. Guess what?! the first batches of the Strix vega 64 used a 2.8mm thermalpad instead of a 3mm one so it wouldn't get compressed enough to have a good heat transfer. After I replaced the thermalpad it was fine, it will stay barely 10c hotter than the gpu and the HBM, I even had it with 1075mv at the highest voltage.. regardless of minimal, non minimal driver installs, different versions of windows used, LTSB then Pro etc even with the pro drivers, I will still have the same issues. My way around this to do the encoding was to offload everything to a secondary pc, which it consisted of a gt 1030 and an intel igpu, that was my only way, making me feel that I wans't able to play almost any VR and that my investment was a total waste.

Can't blame always the "build" when you start counting that I almost rebuilt my whole pc twice.

Sad to say, because other than that I really enjoyed the vega 64 as a whole, until the issues became something to deal every day, the crashes while streaming, while doing rendering on premiere pro/ vegas pro and other progreamms. I just couldn't bear it so I pulled the trigger to pick a pair of 3080s and I haven't had any issues aside from the random "I run out of vram" or I have 10 programms using the gpu. Other than that which now I got used to how much I can run, I pretty much don't have any issues.

Of course we can call all of this previous messages drama as "someone" didn't even bother reading my bold text to not do it. I wonder why.
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#77
PrEzi
RadeonProVegaI am never buying any other video cards other than Vega ones because of AMD Fluid motion being removed in the newer AMD cards. AMD Fluid motion Is like slice bread, its amazing. Its impossible for me to watch TV Shows, Movies (Blu-ray/4K/Motion2/True Theater) videos in general without having AMD Fluid motion enable. I have a 5000/6000 card, but i probably get rid of them somehow eventually.

I bought a Vega 56 early this year and my next card I am buying soon as an upgrade is a Radeon Pro VII. As for Drivers, I'm using May 2022 preview since i bought the Vega 56 early this year and i have no problems with any games or anything.
You might want to take a look at this here :
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#78
Caqde
R-T-BThis done today would make most game devs just outright quit, if not all of them.
I remember the DOS days when this was common practice. Nope no thank you not again. This was horrible. Not only would most quit, we would have a whole bunch of games that could not be played on current hardware without some emulator. No thanks. Emulating DOS games fine. Emulating DOOM 2016... Nope please no.
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#79
Vayra86
TheinsanegamerNWell, yeah, except that nvidia not only still supports the 1080, but also the entire 900 series. And the 580, one of these cards, is the highest represented card AMD has right now. And they are still for sale. And the vega arch is still being sold in ryzen 7000 APUs.

This is a company that wants to be a "premium" brand but doesnt want to provide "premium" support.
Perceived premium brand, let's keep things real. Nvidia only releases a lot of drivers, its not like much if anything is happening for Pascal in terms of 'support' anymore. Nor Maxwell. GPUs run most games proper, the real support is about adding compatibility bits for mostly new feature levels in the APIs. And then performance optimization, also mostly for new engines, titles, APIs. API feature levels these old generations do not support to begin with.

They only get security patches. Nvidia phases old gens out just the same. Its just that AMD is a bit messy in its release cadence. So you get parts that are still selling that are past their 'dedicated' driver support period.

Its not much unlike Microsoft's OS support, it transitions into a new phase as new stuff comes out.
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#80
AusWolf
Has anybody wondered what a game ready driver actually means? I bet the guys at Nvidia/AMD fire up the game with the last driver, conclude that it works, and push the same driver out with a "game ready" badge and a new version number. At least that's what I would do.
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#81
remekra
AusWolfHas anybody wondered what a game ready driver actually means? I bet the guys at Nvidia/AMD fire up the game with the last driver, conclude that it works, and push the same driver out with a "game ready" badge and a new version number. At least that's what I would do.
It's so that people can get a placebo effect that their rig is "game ready".
If there are really optimizations that are tangible or driver has some bug fixes for specific game you can be sure that they will be in the release notes (vide Forza Motorsport driver from AMD that finally fixed my and other people issue with game crashing on rewards screen). If it's just a note that "provides the best expiernce for x game" then it's probably nothing. Or maybe I'm wrong and somebody made comparisons with before and after with every driver release.
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#82
TheinsanegamerN
CraptacularWhat do you mean it is a bad argument to use for AMD? It is nothing more than me pointing out that you are fallaciously conflating length of driver support with quality of drivers. They are not the same thing. One cannot claim that because one company releases news drivers for a long time that the drivers are not buggy.
AMD has a history of leaving GPUs with buggy final release drivers. I thought I was pretty clear on that. Ask the Evergreen guys how their final drivers went, or the GCN guys who never got black screen issues fixed. So using "ending drivers is fine as long as there are not bugs" to support AMD is a REALLY bad idea, because their track record is terrible.
CraptacularVega integrated graphics on those 15-watt mobile CPUs that were released last year. Their primary use case is to handle hardware accelerated decoding support of codecs as well as display output support, that is it. It is not for productivity nor for gaming. So, when we talk about bugs what bugs are there right now for the hardware accelerated decoding that they support? How about display output on the Vega architecture?
so you admit that AMD is slowing down driver support for current products? do you think that all future applications will work without issue? (here's a hint: no. Plex STILL doesnt have HW acceleration on AMD hardware). Would you find it acceptable to buy a new intel CPU and then find out its GPU was being put on maintenance in less then a year?
CraptacularLook at Nvidia that is still selling the Geforce GT 710 and 730. If Nvidia was to announce that they are ending support and the sale of those cards next year, would you say that even after already nine years of drivers support that the customers that bought those cards this year have been ripped off in terms of drive support? I wouldn't.
Pure whataboutism.

For the record, If Nvidia was selling the GT730 as a RTX 4010 iGPU in chipsets or CPUs, and did this, I would ABSOLUTELY disagree with ending support, because these are STILL CURRENT PRODUCTS. Nvidia hasnt MADE GT730s in years, the current sales are leftover inventory. But you know these are not the same situation. They EOLd that card two years ago

nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3473/~/eol-windows-driver-support-for-legacy-products
CraptacularIn this case, AMD isn't even ending driver support for these products, it is just going to be at a slower cadence, which is perfectly fine.
Slower cadence is the final step before being EOLd for AMD. They've done this before. And most of us are not OK with drivers being slowed down for current hardware from a company with a higher market cap then INTEL.
Vayra86Perceived premium brand, let's keep things real.
They use that Perception to justify price hikes, so that argument can take a hike. They are acting like a premium brand, they need to provide support like one. Remember, over $60b in revenue and a market cap higher then intel.
Vayra86Nvidia only releases a lot of drivers, its not like much if anything is happening for Pascal in terms of 'support' anymore. Nor Maxwell. GPUs run most games proper, the real support is about adding compatibility bits for mostly new feature levels in the APIs. And then performance optimization, also mostly for new engines, titles, APIs. API feature levels these old generations do not support to begin with.
So they are providing good support for legacy hardware, still providing compatibility updates. As they should. Nobody expects a revolution on 6 year old hardware, so I'm not sure what your point is.
Vayra86They only get security patches. Nvidia phases old gens out just the same. Its just that AMD is a bit messy in its release cadence. So you get parts that are still selling that are past their 'dedicated' driver support period.

Its not much unlike Microsoft's OS support, it transitions into a new phase as new stuff comes out.
And this is where you are wrong. Security only patches applies to KEPLER, not MAXWELL. Maxwell is still on the game ready driver. Given AMD's history of straight up abandoning 6 year old cards, not just for feature updates but also security updates, them being "messy" is utterly inexcusable. $60b in revenue and they cant figure out how to maintain security updates in a timely matter for their most popular card. SMH.
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#83
remekra
TheinsanegamerNso you admit that AMD is slowing down driver support for current products? do you think that all future applications will work without issue? (here's a hint: no. Plex STILL doesnt have HW acceleration on AMD hardware). Would you find it acceptable to buy a new intel CPU and then find out its GPU was being put on maintenance in less then a year?
And that Plex HW acceleration is on AMD side or Plex devs to implement it? Because quick google search shows the latter.

*Note: Our hardware-transcoding system has technical support for many dedicated AMD graphics cards, but we haven’t done official, full testing on those. Support for AMD GPUs is provided “as is” and your mileage may vary. It is recommended that you use Intel Quick Sync Video or a dedicated NVIDIA GPU.
Slower cadence is the final step before being EOLd for AMD. They've done this before. And most of us are not OK with drivers being slowed down for current hardware from a company with a higher market cap then INTEL.
Who is most of us? Most APU users don't even care about drivers, Windows will install them for them. If they will get any issues then they might install latest ones from AMD website and that's it.
Slower cadence is the final step before being EOLd for AMD. They've done this before. And most of us are not OK with drivers being slowed down for current hardware from a company with a higher market cap then INTEL.
Yes, first you get frequent driver updates, then you go for slower releases and then your product is EOL. What exactly is strange or wrong about this? Now they are on slower cadence, who knows when they will be EOL. They will be sooner or later because time passes.
And this is where you are wrong. Security only patches applies to KEPLER, not MAXWELL. Maxwell is still on the game ready driver. Given AMD's history of straight up abandoning 6 year old cards, not just for feature updates but also security updates, them being "messy" is utterly inexcusable. $60b in revenue and they cant figure out how to maintain security updates in a timely matter for their most popular card. SMH.
What is a "Game Ready" driver? Do you need a latest driver to run the game? If so which ones? The will be performance differences for Vega and Polaris? If yes how much?
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#84
Shihab
TheinsanegamerNdo you think that all future applications will work without issue?
Applications using standard d3d11, ogl4, or supported Vulkan extensions would most likely work without a hitch. Applications that use newer d3d12 subversions won't, because the hardware itself doesn't support them, and no driver is going yo fix that.
GPGPU applications often are limited by the applications implementation than GPU's driver. Some cases even follow the same story as the graphics API. See Blender ditching OpenCL for HIP.
mechtechmeh I only update my drive once a year anyway lol
Must be nice, not going all "this one will finally make wayland work!" every month...
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#85
TumbleGeorge
CraptacularLook at Nvidia that is still selling the Geforce GT 710 and 730
What is selling as "new" in my country. GPU from 2010.
Yes for around $60 USD... This card is garbage in normal countries it's price is $0.
Ps. Also this which is from 2010 too. WoW.
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#86
RadeonProVega
Prima.VeraNot sure what you are saying, but Fluid motion is supported on all cards, including the recent ones.

community.amd.com/t5/gaming/amd-fluid-motion-frames-is-out-now-on-amd-radeon-rx-7000-series/ba-p/634372
AMD fluid motion for videos is not. That's only for games. I honestly do not understand why AMD removed fluid motion for videos, i think it was a very bad decision.
cmguigamfWith all due respect... ew? Why do that to yourself? Videos, especially TV and movies, look way worse with interpolation.
Have you watched movies in Splash video player, using motion2? or better yet have you watch blu-ray movies using cyberlink dvd and clicking AMD Fluid motion when enable?
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#87
EatingDirt
TheinsanegamerNAMD has a history of leaving GPUs with buggy final release drivers. I thought I was pretty clear on that. Ask the Evergreen guys how their final drivers went, or the GCN guys who never got black screen issues fixed. So using "ending drivers is fine as long as there are not bugs" to support AMD is a REALLY bad idea, because their track record is terrible.

so you admit that AMD is slowing down driver support for current products? do you think that all future applications will work without issue? (here's a hint: no. Plex STILL doesnt have HW acceleration on AMD hardware). Would you find it acceptable to buy a new intel CPU and then find out its GPU was being put on maintenance in less then a year?

Pure whataboutism.

For the record, If Nvidia was selling the GT730 as a RTX 4010 iGPU in chipsets or CPUs, and did this, I would ABSOLUTELY disagree with ending support, because these are STILL CURRENT PRODUCTS. Nvidia hasnt MADE GT730s in years, the current sales are leftover inventory. But you know these are not the same situation. They EOLd that card two years ago

nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3473/~/eol-windows-driver-support-for-legacy-products

Slower cadence is the final step before being EOLd for AMD. They've done this before. And most of us are not OK with drivers being slowed down for current hardware from a company with a higher market cap then INTEL.


They use that Perception to justify price hikes, so that argument can take a hike. They are acting like a premium brand, they need to provide support like one. Remember, over $60b in revenue and a market cap higher then intel.

So they are providing good support for legacy hardware, still providing compatibility updates. As they should. Nobody expects a revolution on 6 year old hardware, so I'm not sure what your point is.

And this is where you are wrong. Security only patches applies to KEPLER, not MAXWELL. Maxwell is still on the game ready driver. Given AMD's history of straight up abandoning 6 year old cards, not just for feature updates but also security updates, them being "messy" is utterly inexcusable. $60b in revenue and they cant figure out how to maintain security updates in a timely matter for their most popular card. SMH.
Your understanding of AMD 'still selling' old GPU's is flawed. Do you really think AMD is still producing and selling 580's? The 580's left on the retailer stores are leftovers from the GPU mining boom and are being sold by the retailers. AMD already sold them to the retailers, years ago.

Slower driver cadence is not ending support or even making them EOL. Sure, in a few years they'll probably be EOL.

Let's also not pretend that AMD has the same resources as Nvidia for driver support. Not sure where you came up with that random $60b in revenue. Neither AMD or Nvidia are that high, even if you combined the two:
AMD's yearly revenue is around $21b, split between 2 major development programs, CPU & GPU.
Nvidia yearly revenue is around $32b, almost entirely focused on GPU's.

Nvidia's yearly revenue is approximately 50% higher than AMD, and their profits are often 100% or more than AMD. A company with 2x or higher the resources able to support older cards should not be surprising.
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#88
Vayra86
TheinsanegamerNAMD has a history of leaving GPUs with buggy final release drivers. I thought I was pretty clear on that. Ask the Evergreen guys how their final drivers went, or the GCN guys who never got black screen issues fixed. So using "ending drivers is fine as long as there are not bugs" to support AMD is a REALLY bad idea, because their track record is terrible.

so you admit that AMD is slowing down driver support for current products? do you think that all future applications will work without issue? (here's a hint: no. Plex STILL doesnt have HW acceleration on AMD hardware). Would you find it acceptable to buy a new intel CPU and then find out its GPU was being put on maintenance in less then a year?

Pure whataboutism.

For the record, If Nvidia was selling the GT730 as a RTX 4010 iGPU in chipsets or CPUs, and did this, I would ABSOLUTELY disagree with ending support, because these are STILL CURRENT PRODUCTS. Nvidia hasnt MADE GT730s in years, the current sales are leftover inventory. But you know these are not the same situation. They EOLd that card two years ago

nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3473/~/eol-windows-driver-support-for-legacy-products

Slower cadence is the final step before being EOLd for AMD. They've done this before. And most of us are not OK with drivers being slowed down for current hardware from a company with a higher market cap then INTEL.


They use that Perception to justify price hikes, so that argument can take a hike. They are acting like a premium brand, they need to provide support like one. Remember, over $60b in revenue and a market cap higher then intel.

So they are providing good support for legacy hardware, still providing compatibility updates. As they should. Nobody expects a revolution on 6 year old hardware, so I'm not sure what your point is.

And this is where you are wrong. Security only patches applies to KEPLER, not MAXWELL. Maxwell is still on the game ready driver. Given AMD's history of straight up abandoning 6 year old cards, not just for feature updates but also security updates, them being "messy" is utterly inexcusable. $60b in revenue and they cant figure out how to maintain security updates in a timely matter for their most popular card. SMH.
Thanks for setting me straight on a few points. But let's keep an eye on the headline here. Vega and Polaris get a slower driver update track. Not 'none'.

I agree Nvidia's support is doing better on legacy parts, granted.
remekraIt's so that people can get a placebo effect that their rig is "game ready".
If there are really optimizations that are tangible or driver has some bug fixes for specific game you can be sure that they will be in the release notes (vide Forza Motorsport driver from AMD that finally fixed my and other people issue with game crashing on rewards screen). If it's just a note that "provides the best expiernce for x game" then it's probably nothing. Or maybe I'm wrong and somebody made comparisons with before and after with every driver release.
Its in the order less than 4 FPS most of the time. But its not just FPS averages, game ready sometimes straight up improves frametimes / consistency. That's also what I expect out of optimization. Them taking away the clogging in the render pipeline. Its even better though when games just work out of the box. And frankly, most games do, curiously, its mostly triple A content that needs a lot of TLC. A lot of that is related to a money aspect. Smaller devs will just make damn sure they work within the boundaries of what the GPU can just do, because they're less likely to get Nvidia support coming over.
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#89
Random_User
I'll explain the final time, and won't bother anyone again.

It's fine when the support goes lower for the old products, or even ceases if the drivers work fine. It's even ok if company delays the driver release, but to have it working flawlessly, and includes the fixes, compatibility with last games and features, as much as the architecture allows so.

As an example the HD series legacy driver for windows, which worked amazingly good after the entire architecture went EoL. Sadly it took for them too long, as it should've been done while the cards were new. Nonetheless, the driver is capable of today use. If this is the case, there's no problem, at all.

Why this is concern. Because AMD lacks consistency, in both HW and SW. They should make the image of reliable supplier. Not only for enterprise, but also for all people, who already bought, or is going to buy. For all platforms. It's great, that Mesa/Linux drivers are good. But they weren't with Zen/Zen+ APUs. And it shouldn't be a matter of switching an OS, in order to use the HW.

Also, such notions of "slowing down" the driver update track, have a negative confidence effect, not only on "old" and existing Vega APU's, but this also comes to the current and future RDNA 2-3.5 and others. This can lead to huge part of customers will move away, because they, or their acquaintances to have some issues with an APU or dGPU, and will avoid buying AMD products, due to the fear of being abandoned. Even if there's no serious issues, it still has an impact in long term.
Lew ZealandVega APUs are supported but won't get gaming software optimizations because Vega APU gaming is done by how many people? And would a 20% performance improvement in a new game like Alan Wake II from 16 to 19fps at 720p Lowest actually mean anything? Of course not.
What a bunch of crap. Vega APU is great for HTPC, educational, office work, or even normal gaming. And no matter how many devices being sold. AMD made a decision to produce and sell the entire series these to the market. What's point to do this, if they were not up to support this HW. So if there are problems with SW and drivers, they should be fixed. Doesn't matter how big or small the amount of devices being sold!
This is like selling the new car, with "partial" support, and without steering wheel. And people who bought APU's did it with intention to use iGPU, which isn't a "free" addition. Otherwise they'd buy regular CPU.
If something is sold as new, it should have support out of the box.
EatingDirtYour understanding of AMD 'still selling' old GPU's is flawed. Do you really think AMD is still producing and selling 580's? The 580's left on the retailer stores are leftovers from the GPU mining boom and are being sold by the retailers. AMD already sold them to the retailers, years ago.

Slower driver cadence is not ending support or even making them EOL. Sure, in a few years they'll probably be EOL.

Let's also not pretend that AMD has the same resources as Nvidia for driver support. Not sure where you came up with that random $60b in revenue. Neither AMD or Nvidia are that high, even if you combined the two:
AMD's yearly revenue is around $21b, split between 2 major development programs, CPU & GPU.
Nvidia yearly revenue is around $32b, almost entirely focused on GPU's.

Nvidia's yearly revenue is approximately 50% higher than AMD, and their profits are often 100% or more than AMD. A company with 2x or higher the resources able to support older cards should not be surprising.
I did mistake, by forgetting to add the revenue number, and not clarifying that $60B is in total asset (which is irrelevant in this case). My bad.

But this doesn't change the fact, that nVidia once was not a trillion bucks revenue company, and yet they maintained Windows drivers more or less in good condition. And AMD on the other hand got no change in this area. And if they want to brake that trail of "bad drivers" meme, since they have much more money, compared to their "dire times", they no longer are in, they shouldn't push such messages.
As for nVidia, thy are still seems looking for CPU market, even if it's ARM.

BTW, this underdog meme should die as well.

Best regards to everyone!
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#90
Craptacular
TheinsanegamerNAMD has a history of leaving GPUs with buggy final release drivers. I thought I was pretty clear on that. Ask the Evergreen guys how their final drivers went, or the GCN guys who never got black screen issues fixed. So using "ending drivers is fine as long as there are not bugs" to support AMD is a REALLY bad idea, because their track record is terrible.
Only after several comments did you make the comment about AMD having a history of leaving GPUs with buggy drivers. In this case with the APUs that are going to be used for hardware accelerated video decoding and external monitor output, what bugs are there?
TheinsanegamerNso you admit that AMD is slowing down driver support for current products? do you think that all future applications will work without issue? (here's a hint: no. Plex STILL doesnt have HW acceleration on AMD hardware). Would you find it acceptable to buy a new intel CPU and then find out its GPU was being put on maintenance in less then a year?
I have never denied it, not sure what your point is. No, I don't think it will work perfectly for all future applications but then again iGPUs are designed for hardware accelerated video decoding and external monitor video output and that is it. It is perfectly fine for it to not work with future applications, AMD isn't under any legal, moral or ethical obligation to support future applications for architecture that are no longer being developed. As pointed out by someone else PLEX support is on them to support, not on AMD. Plex is the one that implements hardware acceleration for video. Just like how Chrome and Edge have a checkbox for hardware acceleration.
TheinsanegamerNPure whataboutism.
And? Calling it whataboutism doesn't refute the point being made nor does it even attempt to address the point being made. It is just you trying to evade the point.
TheinsanegamerNFor the record, If Nvidia was selling the GT730 as a RTX 4010 iGPU in chipsets or CPUs, and did this, I would ABSOLUTELY disagree with ending support, because these are STILL CURRENT PRODUCTS. Nvidia hasnt MADE GT730s in years, the current sales are leftover inventory. But you know these are not the same situation. They EOLd that card two years ago

nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3473/~/eol-windows-driver-support-for-legacy-products
They are selling GT 730s as discrete GPUs as current products.

GIGABYTE NVIDIA GeForce GT 730 2GB PCI Express 2.0 Graphics Card Black GV-N730D3-2GI REV3.0 - Best Buy
geforce gt 730 : Micro Center
geforce gt 730 | Newegg.com

If it was left over inventory then the cards would have sold out a long time ago.

Both products are currently being sold, per your link the Fermi cards technically ended even receiving security updates in January of 2019, so it is almost been five years. You want me to believe they have five years' worth of excess inventory?

Once again, AMD isn't ending driver support for these Vega GPU, only slowing down the cadence of releases.
TheinsanegamerNSlower cadence is the final step before being EOLd for AMD. They've done this before. And most of us are not OK with drivers being slowed down for current hardware from a company with a higher market cap then INTEL.
And? We don't know how long the slower cadence will last, it might last another year, it might be two years, it might be five years. What support do you need on a 15 watt APU that is going to be primarily used for hardware accelerated video decoding and external monitor video output?
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#91
Lew Zealand
Random_UserWhat a bunch of crap. Vega APU is great for HTPC, educational, office work, or even normal gaming. And no matter how many devices being sold. AMD made a decision to produce and sell the entire series these to the market. What's point to do this, if they were not up to support this HW. So if there are problems with SW and drivers, they should be fixed.
You missed the point, entirely. Read the quote in my post from AMD. What did they say about support?

I'll save myself the time and assume the rest of your post is similarly mistaken.
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#92
A Computer Guy
CraptacularOnly after several comments did you make the comment about AMD having a history of leaving GPUs with buggy drivers. In this case with the APUs that are going to be used for hardware accelerated video decoding and external monitor output, what bugs are there?
With the 4750G I was having problem with the HDMI output spazzing out (perhaps the driver crashing) when running cinebench. Of course that's a sample size of one but I have a 2nd CPU now and motherboard to test to see if it's a common thing or not.
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#93
Dr. Dro
Meanwhile Nvidia still supports Maxwell. I can't even. Radeon VII is barely 4 and already abandoned. Good job, AMD. Not.
A Computer GuyWith the 4750G I was having problem with the HDMI output spazzing out (perhaps the driver crashing) when running cinebench. Of course that's a sample size of one but I have a 2nd CPU now and motherboard to test to see if it's a common thing or not.
Let's not pretend these are isolated cases... they aren't.
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#94
AusWolf
Dr. DroMeanwhile Nvidia still supports Maxwell. I can't even. Radeon VII is barely 4 and already abandoned. Good job, AMD. Not.
It's not abandoned. It will only get less frequent driver updates.
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#95
A Computer Guy
Dr. DroMeanwhile Nvidia still supports Maxwell. I can't even. Radeon VII is barely 4 and already abandoned. Good job, AMD. Not.



Let's not pretend these are isolated cases... they aren't.
I haven't heard of HDMI issues with the non-Pro G chips so I don't pretend to know anything. My 2200G has no problems with HDMI. Since the pro chips where pulled from OEM business units (that may favor displayport) I can imagine the possibility these particular chips might be buggy with HDMI.
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Dr. Dro
AusWolfIt's not abandoned. It will only get less frequent driver updates.
aka it's abandoned? Doubt it'll even receive support in new branches from here on out.
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AusWolf
Dr. Droaka it's abandoned? Doubt it'll even receive support in new branches from here on out.
No. It'll get updates maybe once every 3 months. Or 6 months. What's the big deal? (I don't update drivers more often than that anyway)
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Dr. Dro
A Computer GuyI haven't heard of HDMI issues with the non-Pro G chips so I don't pretend to know anything. My 2200G has no problems with HDMI. Since the pro chips where pulled from OEM business units (that may favor displayport) I can imagine the possibility these particular chips might be buggy with HDMI.
No, it's just the driver. I get the same with my non Pro 5600H sometimes. There was also a broken hdmi audio driver causing bsod's, absolutely hilarious.
AusWolfNo. It'll get updates maybe once every 3 months. Or 6 months. What's the big deal? (I don't update drivers more often than that anyway)
The big deal is these unprofessional jokers who keep getting a pass, that's why they'll never improve.
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AusWolf
Dr. DroThe big deal is these unprofessional jokers who keep getting a pass, that's why they'll never improve.
What do you mean?
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Dr. Dro
AusWolfWhat do you mean?
Their endless poor decisions and trend to simply give up on hardware that's 5 years old at best with tons of outstanding issues, of course.
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