599 dollars really? Is it a fake news?

PerfectWave599 dollars really? Is it a fake news?

No? I mean, it IS the official MSRP. What the prices will turn out to be in any given region and with any given market conditions is another thing. TPU can’t really do much more than rely on MSRP provided when the product just launched.

nickel and diming us

its somewhat nice prices are going lower but not good enough

cheaping out on vram as per usual

669€ is official MSRP on here, which is equal to $726 which is exactly $600 + 21% VAT

$800 for 12GB is extremely expensive for low end graphics.

And this is why I was screaming when RX 7000 came out(and people where calling me Nvidia shill), that not doubling or even tripling RT performance was AMD's biggest mistake. I mean, you have a $600 Nvidia product killing everything AMD over $500, just because AMD's offerings do not perform in RT. And imagine Nvidia not being NGreedia and giving this RTX 4070 Super as the original RTX 4070 a year ago. AMD's RX 7000 series top models would have being DOA.

JAB Creations$800 for 12GB is extremely expensive for low end graphics.

??? Article said $599 and a 4070 is far from low end.

Maybe MSRP is unrealistic. But at this pace, 4070 Super still looks much better investment. RX 7800XT is insta-EOL at its current price point. Even die-hard AMD fans, would at list think for a several times, before considering a purchase.
And higher Radeon tiers are doomed as well. Despite how silly 4070 Ti Super is and sounds, and with horrendous connector, it still is better card than 7900XT. Considering the horible power consumption AMD/RTG can't fix for years already (which alone is dealbraker for many ppl), many would prefer to buy overall more "feature rich" GPU. And no one can be blamed for that. Nvidia did a great marketing win this time. And AMD still behaves, as there's no competition.

For example, here 4070 Super Asus Dual is $60 bucks more than 7800XT Nitro+, for a generally almost 10% faster card, with everything except VRAM amount is better. And despite the later is unforgivably low for 2024, I think it's still a better buy if priced closer to MSRP. In areas with huge power bills, $60 would pay off in couple of months.

AMD should be ahamed for gouching their loyal user base, with that MSRP. The only people it hurts are Radeon fans. Because, nobody else would be buying their cards. They can't beat or attract nVidia target audience, no matter what. And if AMD doesn't understand that, it's their loss. There's more chance of AMD fan to join Nvidia camp, than vice versa.
They should have considered significant markup that every store adds on top. There's no way to buy any VGA at recommended price anywhere in the world, outside US. And the stores mentioned on the AMD's parter/supplier list are just bunch of greedy resellers. They neither sell at MSRP, nor having direct supplies from AMD.

Either AMD fix their supply chain and pricing, or they should consider to give up, and stop tease consumers with unrealistic expectations. Just think a bit, that this is impossible for AMD to rival Nvidia. Hence it has bigger stock of "cheaper than 4090" GPU chips, and can afford some price decrease. While AMD's foundry constrained, and tries to milk each single chip, with even higher margins. This is double disgusting, because AMD's chiplets are easier to make, and the node is cheaper as well.

P.S.: And 7800XT is really a 7800 class, not XT. More like 6800 with added AI chip. And it should have been $450, from the start for AIB superior version. Not even mentioning, it was too late to the party. As Nvidia was selling 4070 for couple month by that time.

Don't get me wrong, 7800XT is not a particulary bad card. But the price is atrocious, for a medium range chip. And especially for the price of $760 for more than half year already. And the 4070 Super, the fresh card, that was just annouced, is about $50-60 more. And both still priced horribly nonetheless.

Luke357??? Article said $599 and a 4070 is far from low end.

RTX 4070 is a typical GTX 1060 6GB class gpu by old standards. If you look at specs what's inside.

JAB Creations$800 for 12GB is extremely expensive for low end graphics.

$599.99 here in the USA ^^
pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=565

Readily on sale here in the US.

Good to see some progress, if not much on price performance. When a small form factor 4k60 card is more like 300 I could be interested.

Seems they're available for £480 + uk vat here.

Prices start at $1070 in Australia which includes our 10% GST.

1AUD ~= 0.66USD
$600/0.66 = 909 + 10% = $1000. Given US price is sans state tax looks like our prices are about what was expected.

Luke357??? Article said $599 and a 4070 is far from low end.

A 4070 carries 12GB over a measly 500 GBps, its not low end, but any more than bottom mid range is giving it too much credit. Its also an RTX card that fails miserably at.... RT. Given its 192 bit bus, this is really a 4060. Spec wise its a full match for that stack position. So again, that tells us its where the midrange (or the first somewhat decent gaming GPU in the stack) starts.

The 4060(ti), that's proper low end, again, given its bandwidth, its VRAM, and its core its really an x50(ti).

The 4070S at 599,- is a complete joke given its price.

CheeseballReadily on sale here in the US.

Yes yes clearly every review should state that, prices elsewhere are usually meh to daylight robbery!

JAB Creations$800 for 12GB is extremely expensive for low end graphics.

If 4070 SUPER is low end, what does that make your 6800 tho? :laugh:

Vayra86A 4070 carries 12GB over a measly 500 GBps, its not low end, but any more than bottom mid range is giving it too much credit. Its also an RTX card that fails miserably at.... RT. Given its 192 bit bus, this is really a 4060. Spec wise its a full match for that stack position. So again, that tells us its where the midrange (or the first somewhat decent gaming GPU in the stack) starts.

The 4060(ti), that's proper low end, again, given its bandwidth, its VRAM, and its core its really an x50(ti).

The 4070S at 599,- is a complete joke given its price.

I guess 12GB and 192 bit is enough to beat your 7900XT in tons of games in raster, 4070 Ti does that in one of the best looking and newest games, Avatar, in 4K/UHD minimum fps on ultra settings :laugh: While sucking 50w less power. DLAA/DLSS also easily beats FSR in this game, even tho it's AMD sponsored. DLSS/DLAA beats FSR in all games. TPU has plenty of comparisons. Go read.

www.techpowerup.com/review/avatar-fop-performance-benchmark/5.html

Drivers + feature-wise, it's an easy win for Nvidia. AMD is cheaper for a reason. AMD don't even have a 7000 GPU present on Steam HW Survey in Top 60 most popular GPUs :laugh:


If 192 bit and 12GB makes 4070 series more like a 4060 series, it does not look too good for AMD does it? ;) Nvidia got the upper hand in every single area. They did not even bother bringing out the full AD102 die, because 4090 already smacked 7900XTX hard. AMD left high-end GPUs for this exact reason. They can't compete here, and will focus on low to mid-end.

They can't even compete in mid-end at this point, considering how much Nvidia dominate in sales, 3060 series outsold entire Radeon 6000 series last gen, by alot. Maybe AMD and Intel can fight over the entry level and low end market, which Nvidia don't really care about.

Luke357??? Article said $599 and a 4070 is far from low end.

I keep maxing out my 16GB card, 12GB is low end.

lasAMD don't even have a 7000 GPU present on Steam HW Survey in Top 60 most popular GPUs :laugh:

Clearly you're on a roll today :rolleyes:

R0H1TClearly you're on a roll today :rolleyes:

Because 30 minute PC rentals in marxist occupied China where the survey is executed several times a day is totally legitimate. Because Nvidia is totally not known for criminal anti-competitive behavior. Oh wait...

R0H1TYes yes clearly every review should state that, prices elsewhere are usually meh to daylight robbery!

Exactly. The prices are nowhere near close to MSRP. But I think, the mentioning the ever rising prices in each review isn't possible, due to stores/sellers frankly do not have any cap on their greed. Which should be had a good riddance by the both GPU companies, like years ago. This obviously should have been damaging the image and reputation of both Nvidia and AMD, but seems both of them get away with any anti-consumer behaviour.

JAB Creations

This lasts for decades. There should have been a reason, why SI been avoiding HD1600 XT, in favor of 6600GT, and Athlon 64 X2 for the rubbish Pentium D. NVidia was doing this forever. And I'm sure, if intel will get some more marketshare, or surpass AMD, they will do the same again. but for their GPUs. The worst thing, that AMD joined the "scam club", and is no better. And what is even worse than this, is that consumers being apologists of this kind of behaviour. Nobody protects own interests. Instead, guillible people jump on fanboy bandwagon that being guided, by ammoral marketing departments.

Random_UserExactly. The prices are nowhere near close to MSRP. But I think, the mentioning the ever rising prices in each review isn't possible, due to stores/sellers frankly do not have any cap on their greed. Which should be had a good riddance by the both GPU companies, like years ago. This obviously should have been damaging the image and reputation of both Nvidia and AMD, but seems both of them get away with any anti-consumer behaviour.

This lasts for decades. There should have been a reason, why SI been avoiding HD1600 XT, in favor of 6600GT, and Athlon 64 X2 for the rubbish Pentium D. NVidia was doing this forever. And I'm sure, if intel will get some more marketshare, or surpass AMD, they will do the same again. but for their GPUs. The worst thing, that AMD joined the "scam club", and is no better. And what is even worse than this, is that consumers being apologists of this kind of behaviour. Nobody protects own interests. Instead, guillible people jump on fanboy bandwagon that being guided, by ammoral marketing departments.

Selling at MSRP here in the US.
pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=565

Why_MeSelling at MSRP here in the US.
pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=565

Selling at MSRP in Canada too.

AnotherReaderSelling at MSRP in Canada too.

The Canadian dollar has to be taking a beating. Unless those people up north make serious money I don't know how they afford hobbies such as PC gaming.