Here a rodent rehash, there a rodent reshash, everywhere a rodent rehash...yep that's Razzerio for ya :)

If I had a dollar for every time they came out with something worthwhile, I'd have, well, a dollar, maybe 2 at most....

s/N/o/O/z/E.....

bonehead123Here a rodent rehash, there a rodent reshash, everywhere a rodent rehash...yep that's Razzerio for ya :)

That’s a bit ironic considering that V3 is the first time in almost two decades that Razer is actually majorly shaking up and changing the shape of the mouse. It’s a lot of things, but a rehash it is not.

Their way of shaving off weight was just to make the mouse smaller lol

Weight reduction is pointless, these get pushed on a smooth mouse pad, not held up in the air. How is this any different from Razer Viper V3, and V3 Pro? Product line seems redundant.

Still enjoying my Viper V2 Pro, it's been great.

bonehead123Here a rodent rehash, there a rodent reshash, everywhere a rodent rehash...yep that's Razzerio for ya :)

If I had a dollar for every time they came out with something worthwhile, I'd have, well, a dollar, maybe 2 at most....

s/N/o/O/z/E.....

I would have less of a problem with rehashes if it wasn't the same rehash junk. I haven't tried any Razor products, but some of the common issues with this peripheral are after about one year of use, something always fails on them, particularly, the low-friction pads that are commonly glued on the bottom side.
Imo, I would be more than happy to shell out $150+ for a mouse if there were two things:
#1. Durable. Nobody wants some part of it to fail after a year or two, only to end up having to replace the whole thing if they want to correct the faulty part.
#2. Modular parts. Easily replaceable parts such as mouse buttons, scroll wheels, low-friction pads, etc., that are reasonably priced(unlike the "proprietary pricing" nonsense Dell/Alienware does with their products).

They say "20 million units sold," but I wonder how many of those units are due to replacements since they probably suffer from the same shortcomings as other mouse peripherals: cheap manufacturing. It also doesn't help that many products have a much shorter life nowadays since companies heavily rely on selling units rather than increased durability/product life.

MentalAcetylideThey say "20 million units sold

Probably more like 5M sold & 15M RMA'd, heeheehee :)

phintsWeight reduction is pointless, these get pushed on a smooth mouse pad, not held up in the air. How is this any different from Razer Viper V3, and V3 Pro? Product line seems redundant.

Still enjoying my Viper V2 Pro, it's been great.

This might seem pointless, but a heavier mouse is more wear & tear on mouse pads and the low-friction pads due to a greater force being applied to the mouse pad & low-friction pads of the mouse. In other words, one or both will wear out quicker. Another thing is when it comes to "twitch gaming"(games that require twitch reflexes, etc.) a lighter mouse is better vs. a heavier mouse; especially for long gaming sessions.

bonehead123Probably more like 5M sold & 15M RMA'd, heeheehee :)

I highly doubt that since I don't believe RMA's are considered "sales". RMA's are also a pain in the ass with long waiting times(at least with respect to this system critical device). If I had to guess, I would say at least a third(and that's being generous) of that 20 million number was due to customers buying replacement units for failed products that occurred outside of the warranty. Plus I'm sure Razor sponsors quite a few Esports events, so there's that.

It's a pity the mouse pad isn't a wireless charger for the mouse. Imagine not having to plugin a wireless mouse to charge it at all.

phintsHow is this any different from Razer Viper V3, and V3 Pro? Product line seems redundant.

Uh, it’s a completely different shape? One is an ergo, another is an ambi. They feel completely differently in the hand and facilitate completely different grips.

phintsWeight reduction is pointless, these get pushed on a smooth mouse pad, not held up in the air. How is this any different from Razer Viper V3, and V3 Pro? Product line seems redundant.

Still enjoying my Viper V2 Pro, it's been great.

I disagree. I think weight reduction matters quite a bit, particularly if you're one to lift up and reposition the mouse briefly between swipes. Do that enough times in a play session and the weight probably matters more than one may think.

They get so much shit for their quality, in truth razer mice were the most robust i ever had.

The worst by far are steelseries from my sample over the years.

wolarThey get so much shit for their quality, in truth razer mice were the most robust i ever had.

The worst by far are steelseries from my sample over the years.

Being an avid wow player, and really liking mmo-mice with multiple buttons on the side to use them for rotations (so spam clicking them), Razer Naga has so far been the best mice. Logitech, Asus, Steelseries have all had the side buttons fail, but Naga has been standing strong.

I did have scroll wheel issues with my latest Naga, but it was replaced with the new V2 which has USB-C and an improved scroll wheel, so I was actually kinda glad that happened.

pat-ronerNaga has been standing strong.

Lol my Naga Broke after 8 Months - fortunately it was just a Gift. Gfs Kraken had signal issues after 10 months. I dont know any Razer Product that survived over a year. Lifestyle E-Waste for people who just put stuff on desk and never use it. That seems to be the Usecase for everything Razer.

For a moment I read: DeathSpeed HyperAdder

MentalAcetylideI highly doubt that since I don't believe RMA's are considered "sales".

Yea I know, I was being highly sarcastic in my shadeshun statement :)

Looks like a mouse. Is a mouse.

Definitely not worth paying more for what is essentially a USB-C version of the G603.

phintsWeight reduction is pointless, these get pushed on a smooth mouse pad, not held up in the air. How is this any different from Razer Viper V3, and V3 Pro? Product line seems redundant.

Still enjoying my Viper V2 Pro, it's been great.

IDK I can feel the difference moving from a ~80g mouse to a ~60g one. I don't know how you use your mouse without lifting it off the surface sometimes.

wolarThey get so much shit for their quality, in truth razer mice were the most robust i ever had.

The worst by far are steelseries from my sample over the years.

Yeah, but they all suffer from the same thing: generally manufactured from the same cheap material & designed as a throw-away product. If it were otherwise, they wouldn't be competitive in the market.

MentalAcetylideYeah, but they all suffer from the same thing: generally manufactured from the same cheap material & designed as a throw-away product. If it were otherwise, they wouldn't be competitive in the market.

The amount of build quality woes that I’ve witnessed from FinalMouse buyers for the past couple models is, frankly, amusingly staggering. And those were made from first magnesium, then carbon fiber composite - far from “same cheap materials”. And on the other hand, I’ve seen Zowie mice made from pedestrian plastics go for years and years, these things are/were built like tanks.

OnasiThe amount of build quality woes that I’ve witnessed from FinalMouse buyers for the past couple models is, frankly, amusingly staggering. And those were made from first magnesium, then carbon fiber composite - far from “same cheap materials”. And on the other hand, I’ve seen Zowie mice made from pedestrian plastics go for years and years, these things are/were built like tanks.

Why would someone spend 2-4x on a mouse that performs the same function as other mice(without all of the holes)? The carbon fiber composite chassis is just a gimmick as I've never heard of a mouse chassis wearing down or breaking prematurely in comparison to button functionality and base pads. The quality of the internals, base, & mechanical parts are by far more important. I mean, unless you're in the habit of throwing or slamming the mouse, I would expect the chassis to be one of the last things to fail. All of that extra money is mostly for the 2-year hardware warranty. Either way, that's a hell of a price to pay for a mouse that "might" last an extra year or two.

@MentalAcetylide
Weight savings, mostly. How meaningful they are beyond a certain point is still an ongoing debate in competitive FPS communities. Personally, I believe that shape is king and everything else is secondary. But that’s neither here nor there.

That, and mouse enthusiasts have their own “hype beast” culture.

These are enthusiast products for gaming enthusiasts. If all you need is a mouse that works, then the product just isn't for you. It doesn't mean the product needs to unexist.

The Terrible PuddleTheir way of shaving off weight was just to make the mouse smaller lol

And this is bad how? Not everybody has bear paws for hands. I sure as hell don't. In fact, next to my Cobra Pro, I'm waiting for Razer to make a mini version of the DA V3...but not super mini like the DA V2 was. A bummer, since I found that one ridiculously comfy. Problem was that my fingers literally swallowed it up.

If it wasnt the dependency for razer mouse performance on its software, it might be a good mouse, the random disconnects for whatever reason is enough to drive someone batty. CS is something to be desired.

I think the DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed actually looks fine. Doesn't seem to have loads and loads of tradeoffs Vs the pro.

Lots of comments about Razer's overall quality: personally, I can defend their mice (very happy, long term DeathAdder V2 Pro owner), but their Keyboards aren't the best.

Two underwhelming but inoffensive BlackWidows later, and I'm definitely looking at Keychron now.