Wednesday, July 3rd 2024

Prices of AMD Ryzen 8000G Desktop APUs Continue Downward Trend, 8600G Now at $152

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AMD Ryzen 8000G desktop APUs combine "Zen 4" CPU cores with a powerful iGPU based on the RDNA 3 architecture, and are the first desktop processors to pack an NPU with 16 TOPS of performance on tap. These Socket AM5 processors based on the "Hawk Point" silicon have been on a downward price trend. Last month, the top Ryzen 7 8700G asked for $299 compared to its $329 launch price; and the 6-core Ryzen 5 8600G went for $199, down from its $229 launch price. This month, the downward pricing trend continues.

According to the latest prices charted on B&H Photo, the Ryzen 7 8700G is now just $269, a $60 cut from its launch price; while the Ryzen 5 8600G faces its biggest ever cut, sending it all the way down to $152, a $77 or a 33% reduction from its launch price. At this price, the 8600G is a formidable processor, with a 6-core/12-thread CPU based on the "Zen 4" architecture (all 6 of which are full-sized "Zen 4" cores); a 16 TOPS NPU, and a Radeon 760M iGPU with 8 compute units (512 stream processors). The Ryzen 5 8500G based on the "Phoenix 2" silicon, with a combination of 2 "Zen 4" and 4 "Zen 4c" cores, is now priced at $139, a $40 cut from its original.
Source: Wccftech

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26 Comments on Prices of AMD Ryzen 8000G Desktop APUs Continue Downward Trend, 8600G Now at $152

#1
Daven
At launch the AM5 platform only competed against DDR5 based Core i5s, i7s and i9s. Now it’s pushing into Core i3 territory. I don’t see the sub $100 CPU market coming back except for the occasional inventory slashing sales and past generation depreciation.
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#2
ymdhis
I thought 8600g and 8700g was Phoenix, not Hawk Point. Which one is it?
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#3
kapone32
The problem for AMD where I live is right now the Steam Deck is actually cheaper than the 8700G where I live. Even with the 8600G, once you add RAM and MB you are past the Steam Deck in price. When the 8600G is $99 US and the 8700G $149 US they will make more sense. OF course as long as Handhelds keep selling the way they do that may be a pipe dream until the next 2 APU releases on AM5 for APUs.
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#4
Random_User
kapone32The problem for AMD where I live is right now the Steam Deck is actually cheaper than the 8700G where I live. Even with the 8600G, once you add RAM and MB you are past the Steam Deck in price. When the 8600G is $99 US and the 8700G $149 US they will make more sense. OF course as long as Handhelds keep selling the way they do that may be a pipe dream until the next 2 APU releases on AM5 for APUs.
Here the 8700G costs $356. Heck the 5700X3D goes for no less than $270. And the Steam Deck goes for the price of... unavailable. No fun for third world Untermenschen. Valve yet keeps it's page, and teasing people.

And then...
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#5
john_
These are much more logical prices. Prices of X core typical Ryzen "CPUs" and Ryzen "APUs" (they all SOCs, but anyway) should be the same, meaning 8600G should be the same with 7600/X, for example. You are going to use a dedicated GPU? Go with 7600/X to get more PCIe lanes and cache. You are going to use the iGPU? Go with the 8600G. Putting a premium price on APUs wasn't right. The iGPU wasn't an extra feature over the typical Ryzen CPU. An APU had it's disadvantages compared to the CPU. It wasn't an equal product with an extra bigger iGPU.
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#6
R0H1T
With AM5 & "cloud" cores AMD could potentially release multiple chips/variants over the entirety of this decade o_O
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#7
dont whant to set it"'
Drats! I just clicked purchase on a 5700g for about 150 squid. All because I have a spare motherboard, 250w DeltaElectronics psu, some 2*4GB ddr4 2400MT, all laying somewhere( to boot of course,I can get more from the Skylake rig, it's Kabylake on a z170). Should be enough to handle d2r mule account.
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#8
ironwolf
Not seeing those prices at B&H Photo in the US, any idea when they will actually be dropping?
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#9
sLowEnd
They're still too expensive for what they are IMO

The tiny amount of PCI-E lanes on the 8500G and below SKUs are another kick to the teeth as well.
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#10
GoldenX
Random_UserHere the 8700G costs $356. Heck the 5700X3D goes for no less than $270. And the Steam Deck goes for the price of... unavailable. No fun for third world Untermenschen. Valve yet keeps it's page, and teasing people.

And then...
Same issue here, And the ROG Ally is close to 1k.
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#11
Minus Infinity
ymdhisI thought 8600g and 8700g was Phoenix, not Hawk Point. Which one is it?
Phoenix as specs say NPU is 16 TOPS. But that is the only real change from Hawk Point, so technically Phoenix is based on Hawk Point.
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#12
ymdhis
Minus InfinityPhoenix as specs say NPU is 16 TOPS. But that is the only real change from Hawk Point, so technically Phoenix is based on Hawk Point.
No, I mean, the codename for the 8600G and 8700G is Phoenix, see: www.amd.com/en/product/14071 and www.amd.com/en/product/14066.

But there's also the laptop based Phoenix which has 10 TOPS (www.amd.com/en/product/13041) and laptop Hawk Point which is 16 TOPS (same as desktop Phoenix, www.amd.com/en/product/13956).
Curiously, the AMD product spec between laptop and desktop Phoenix matches, but Hawk Point says it has no Precision Boost.
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#13
Vayra86
So how do these chips game? At 1080p? I'm thinking this might be a nice HTPC replacement, esp the 8600G
Random_UserHere the 8700G costs $356. Heck the 5700X3D goes for no less than $270. And the Steam Deck goes for the price of... unavailable. No fun for third world Untermenschen. Valve yet keeps it's page, and teasing people.

And then...
International shipping?
Get someone on TPU to buy you one from a country that can ship to yours without too much hassle... All it needs is time & some level of trust.
dont whant to set it'Drats! I just clicked purchase on a 5700g for about 150 squid. All because I have a spare motherboard, 250w DeltaElectronics psu, some 2*4GB ddr4 2400MT, all laying somewhere( to boot of course,I can get more from the Skylake rig, it's Kabylake on a z170). Should be enough to handle d2r mule account.
Can't you cancel your order? Should be a simple return policy on any online purchase no?
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dont whant to set it"'
@Vayra86
Right now the 8600g is 16.01quid more.
I shall play with the5700g ,got the ram,mb ,psu, 240GB SSD.
I'd need a new mb,plus 2*16GB ddr5 is 65to 95% more pricey at the moment. Maybe I can score a deal or a few with the upcoming Amazon prime sale. I can return it after usage for full refund within 30 days, if it doesn't meet performance.
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#17
fevgatos
Vayra86So how do these chips game? At 1080p? I'm thinking this might be a nice HTPC replacement, esp the 8600G
They don't game. Not on desktop monitors. They are fine for handhelds and laptops with their tiny screens since you can drop the resolution, but even then 720p low 30 fps is the target.
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#18
kapone32
fevgatosThey don't game. Not on desktop monitors. They are fine for handhelds and laptops with their tiny screens since you can drop the resolution, but even then 720p low 30 fps is the target.
I don't know where you get your info from but these are fine for HTPC desktops and will play any of those Retro drives on Amazon with higher FPS. This is for people that do not want a DGPU. Once the price drops the market will start buying these. Even though these are the same chip essentially as the handhelds they have a much higher TDP and higher temp envelope not constrained to a small form factor. Don't forget that these APUs also fully support all of AMD's software features.
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#19
Minus Infinity
ymdhisNo, I mean, the codename for the 8600G and 8700G is Phoenix, see: www.amd.com/en/product/14071 and www.amd.com/en/product/14066.

But there's also the laptop based Phoenix which has 10 TOPS (www.amd.com/en/product/13041) and laptop Hawk Point which is 16 TOPS (same as desktop Phoenix, www.amd.com/en/product/13956).
Curiously, the AMD product spec between laptop and desktop Phoenix matches, but Hawk Point says it has no Precision Boost.
That link www.amd.com/en/product/13041 is a 7840HS which is Hawk Point and www.amd.com/en/product/13956 points to Phoenix 8845HS
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#20
fevgatos
kapone32I don't know where you get your info
From having 3 of them.
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#21
kapone32
fevgatosFrom having 3 of them.
The previous chips like the 5600G are still fine for APUs but these are much faster so they should not be taken as a basis. The previous Gen is not relevant in this as we are talking about the price of 8000 series APUs and regardless 4K panels have no issue playing Games at 1080P. You probably did not have a HDMI port that supported 120Hz on the MB either.
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#22
fevgatos
kapone32The previous chips like the 5600G are still fine for APUs but these are much faster so they should not be taken as a basis. The previous Gen is not relevant in this as we are talking about the price of 8000 series APUs and regardless 4K panels have no issue playing Games at 1080P. You probably did not have a HDMI port that supported 120Hz on the MB either.
What the heck are you talking about man? I have 680m and 780m igpus on laptops.
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#23
kapone32
fevgatosWhat the heck are you talking about man? I have 680m and 780m igpus on laptops.
Then you are talking about completely different tech. I am not talking about 15 watt IGPUs like I said this chip should be compared to the 5600G it has a much higher overall TDP than 15 watts. You made the claim that AMD APUs are only good for Gaming on small screens and are not good for Desktop monitors. When that is not true at all. I will give you that they can't compete with an DGPU but they are that expensive because AMD APUs are really popular. It is like the scooter/car phenomenon but the same principle. People have been turned off of expensive hardware though so these will sit until a proper price is established. GPUs are still more than a Steam Deck for decent so I expect the APU trend to continue.

Where AMD APUs shine (as i have said) is in HTPC applications and the populartiy of SFF format means that these are perfect for your Smart TV if you don't trust the WIFI in the TV or have a weaker spec like WIFI 5 vs 6.

The performance is there for 1080P medium or low everything but the cost is still $50 too much as these should be budget parts not premium.
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#24
fevgatos
kapone32Then you are talking about completely different tech. I am not talking about 15 watt IGPUs like I said this chip should be compared to the 5600G it has a much higher overall TDP than 15 watts. You made the claim that AMD APUs are only good for Gaming on small screens and are not good for Desktop monitors. When that is not true at all. I will give you that they can't compete with an DGPU but they are that expensive because AMD APUs are really popular. It is like the scooter/car phenomenon but the same principle. People have been turned off of expensive hardware though so these will sit until a proper price is established. GPUs are still more than a Steam Deck for decent so I expect the APU trend to continue.

Where AMD APUs shine (as i have said) is in HTPC applications and the populartiy of SFF format means that these are perfect for your Smart TV if you don't trust the WIFI in the TV or have a weaker spec like WIFI 5 vs 6.

The performance is there for 1080P medium or low everything but the cost is still $50 too much as these should be budget parts not premium.
They are not 15w IGPUs they go up to 50w, and if you had one youd know it really doesnt make a difference. They hit a hard wall at 25w.

But keep going...
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#25
Caring1
fevgatosThey are not 15w IGPUs they go up to 50w, and if you had one youd know it really doesnt make a difference. They hit a hard wall at 25w.

But keep going...
The 25W is a design constraint by the laptop manufacture to limit power and heat in their device.
Basically they are selling you half a car when you paid for the entire thing.
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