RuruYou can't directly compare the amount of shaders between architectures. And what 5900 XT? The only card with that model I know is the GF FX 5900 XT from 2003. :D


I remember bricking my X1800 XL when trying to flash it to XT 256MB almost two decades ago, so I learned with the hard way. :laugh:

I thought the 5900 XT was a Ryzen CPU. :D

As far as I know, the rumor about the 9070 and XT having the same number of shaders is fake. Honestly, that doesn’t make sense from any perspective. :pimp:

DenverAs far as I know, the rumor about the 9070 and XT having the same number of shaders is fake. Honestly, that doesn’t make sense from any perspective. :pimp:

That's what I think, too. The 7600 / XT separation only made sense due to a difference in VRAM and launch date, which we don't have here.

AusWolfWell, actually, Navi 33 didn't come with a cut-down version, so who knows.

I'm guessing the price will be at most 100 usd different if this is the case... 499/599 with most the cost savings coming from worse memory and lower board cost.

DenverAs far as I know, the rumor about the 9070 and XT having the same number of shaders is fake. Honestly, that doesn’t make sense from any perspective. :pimp:

Yeah it doesn't make sense to me maybe it's missed translation or something from the fact that they use the same die... That being said I can't imagine they'd need to cut down very many die unless they are doing it artificially on 4N because it's a very mature process node at this point and the die is only around 400mm2 still that's a big ass chip compared to a 9800X3D that cost less to make and they can sell them out at 480 usd. So it will be interesting.

DenverAs far as I know, the rumor about the 9070 and XT having the same number of shaders is fake. Honestly, that doesn’t make sense from any perspective. :pimp:

On the other hand, it wouldn't be the first time that AMD has a cheaper card with the full chip. I still remember the budget king HD 4850 from 2008.

oxrufiioxocompared to a 9800X3D that cost less to make and they can sell them out at 480 usd. So it will be interesting.

On the other hand, 9800X3D doesn't have any actual competition. :D

RuruOn the other hand, 9800X3D doesn't have any actual competition. :D

While true if you are a company what are you going to make more of.... lol. This is what's going to be the most interesting.... On the other hand vanilla 9000 isn't doing so well so they can divert some of that silicon is my guess.

Same problem that Nvidia has most the silicon is going to B100/200

Even videocardz.com says 3.5k cores on the non-XT instead of 4k on the XT.

AusWolfEven videocardz.com says 3.5k cores on the non-XT instead of 4k on the XT.

Yeah, Amd seems like it's going to go with it's 5700XT gameplan... Hopefully after the delay they launch in a better state and imagine if they were 100 usd cheaper than the 5070 with the rumored performance... Isn't going to happen but we'd know AMD means business and they were tired of losing if they did lol...

4k cores on the XT, 3.5k on the non-XT, 2.5k on the 9060 XT and 2k on the non-XT would be a decent product stack.

EvrsrPrepare yourselves to be disappointed at the price.

You already know the future, right...

AusWolf4k cores on the XT, 3.5k on the non-XT, 2.5k on the 9060 XT and 2k on the non-XT would be a decent product stack.

As long as they are good and don't price them stupidly.... Although I'm not even sure what AMD would need to price them at if the rumored performance is accurate we know the 5070 is at best 5% faster than the 4070 super and that might be generous and come with less Vram than the 9070 series so if this is 15-20% faster and comes with 33% more vram I think they could go 650 usd and it might go ok but I do think they need enough clearance from the 5070ti even if this beats it slightly in raster and is only 10-15% slower in RT.

I wonder after months of AMD fans hoping for a 500 usd 4080 though if there will still be disappointment.

RTX 5070 and Ti will be expensive at least in first few months the same as RTX 5080 junk (1700€)

For RX 9070 XT the biggest competitor probably will be RX 7900 XT (602€) and RX 7900 XTX (827€) RTX 4080 Super also is overpriced junk (1138€)

AMD prices are dropping while nvidia prices are stagnating or slightly increasing.

Watch, due to demand it will be 1000 bux just like the other guys :D

FSR 4 will work on all 3.1 games, so basically 50 plus games and counting
New radiance display engine and encoder performance
Anti-lag 2

What will the excuses be this time, assuming AMD keeps with the $50 to $100 less tactic?

freeagentWatch, due to demand it will be 1000 bux just like the other guys :D

I doubt it... Could it be launched at 600 usd and really be 700-750 sure. Unless it beats a 5080 and they price it like at 800....

oxrufiioxoI doubt it... Could it be launched at 600 usd and really be 700-750 sure. Unless it beats a 5080 and they price it like at 800....

Good, because right now the beaver buck is not doing so well.

I almost bought a 9800X3D.. but it is just about 800 polar pesos.

Just cant.. well I can, but I don't want to :D

freeagentGood, because right now the beaver buck is not doing so well.

I almost bought a 9800X3D.. but it is just about 800 polar pesos.

Just cant.. well I can, but I don't want to :D

Yeah "If only intel didn't suck at gaming you'd be able to get a 9800X3D cheaper" AMD :toast: :laugh:


The gpu situation on the other hand sucks If I was in that 600-800 bracket I wouldn't be feeling too good right now lol. How many PC builds I do yearly says it all. It use to be 3-5 per month now it's 5-10 per year lol. It's probably a good thing people are keeping their hardware longer though and other factors like the cost of being alive are a major factor.

Cmon powercolor make a white card !!!!

AMD don't need to do much. All they have to do is priced this card low enough to be attractive and they will win. BIG.

AusWolf4k cores on the XT, 3.5k on the non-XT, 2.5k on the 9060 XT and 2k on the non-XT would be a decent product stack.

And, a several whiles later, a 9070 GRE with 3K appears.

oxrufiioxoIt's probably really high is my guess at this point it's like what 3 years old.



I'm sure @eidairaman1 will be having a ton of fun with people bricking their cards trying to flash them to the XT lmao.... If this end's up being true.

Flashing really died off after navi 1 honestly, then again it is possible my guide along with @Regeneration and @Solaris17 might be helping some not bork their cards as often.

DenverAs far as I know, the rumor about the 9070 and XT having the same number of shaders is fake. Honestly, that doesn’t make sense from any perspective. :pimp:

We won't know until it is out, iirc models being cut down has been going on since the first pcie gpus came around in 2004...

HxxCmon powercolor make a white card !!!!

Erm Sapphire makes a Pure, same with Yeston.

6 weeks extra time, the lauching stocks better be lots for buyers

Hyderz6 weeks extra time, the lauching stocks better be lots for buyers

A miraculous abundance of stock is around the corner, don't worry. It will take a month or so (February/March) or at least, we better hope the market restores itself to normalcy, scalper bots are scalping scalpers and reselling to scalpers scalping, and here we are, $10 000 GPUs.

Everyone had the launch dates for the new generation, AIB's etc didn't really give a good discount on their previous gen cards on Black-Friday/Christmas season, so people just waited for the new generation, unfortunately, to find out there wasn't a real generational uplift and now find themselves with a so-called "shortage." Enter the conundrum; most older stock wasn't bought, how could they "fix" this? Create a supply shortage with a healthy dose of FOMO, you can see the results today.

Don't fall for their ploy people, you should be older and wiser by now and recognize their tactics. Yeah, the wait time sucks, but alas, what else can you do if you want to see normalcy restored? This whole thing actually makes me question how addictive gaming is? It's not looking good. Would explain a lot of other metrics in other areas we see today.

Legacy-ZAA miraculous abundance of stock is around the corner, don't worry. It will take a month or so (February/March) or at least, we better hope the market restores itself to normalcy, scalper bots are scalping scalpers and reselling to scalpers scalping, and here we are, $10 000 GPUs.

Everyone had the launch dates for the new generation, AIB's etc didn't really give a good discount on their previous gen cards on Black-Friday/Christmas season, so people just waited for the new generation, unfortunately, to find out there wasn't a real generational uplift and now find themselves with a so-called "shortage." Enter the conundrum; most older stock wasn't bought, how could they "fix" this? Create a supply shortage with a healthy dose of FOMO, you can see the results today.

Don't fall for their ploy people, you should be older and wiser by now and recognize their tactics. Yeah, the wait time sucks, but alas, what else can you do if you want to see normalcy restored? This whole thing actually makes me question how addictive gaming is? It's not looking good. Would explain a lot of other metrics in other areas we see today.

Are you talking about Nvidia? The last I checked, there was plenty of 9070 XT stock in stores, ready for a January launch.

AusWolfAre you talking about Nvidia? The last I checked, there was plenty of 9070 XT stock in stores, ready for a January launch.

I am thinking both at this point. The 7900XT/XTX etc is selling out. (The upper tier $ wise)

There is no such thing as coincidence, only well planned events to make it appear so.