AusWolfOr maybe they laughed at it, and now they're adjusting the price upwards instead of downwards.

If they do I skip this gen too or just buy Arc Battlemage instead. With the money I save I buy new CPU too to balance the CPU dependency the arch has. Win-win lol

ApocalypseeIf they do I skip this gen too or just buy Arc Battlemage instead. With the money I save I buy new CPU too to balance the CPU dependency the arch has. Win-win lol

Which Arc Battlemage? The B580?

Personally, I'm gonna go for the 9070 XT anyhow, because I'm gonna skip the next 2-3 generations coming afterwards. If a 5% uplift is the new standard, then I don't suppose I'll have to buy anything for 10 years.

AusWolfWhich Arc Battlemage? The B580?

Personally, I'm gonna go for the 9070 XT anyhow, because I'm gonna skip the next 2-3 generations coming afterwards. If a 5% uplift is the new standard, then I don't suppose I'll have to buy anything for 10 years.

I'm gonna see what other Arc B series gonna give. I still didn't see them selling at my country...yet.

I dunno, UDNA seems pretty promising. The VLIW to GCN still fresh in my mind, but I hope they won't make the this same mistake.

ApocalypseeI'm gonna see what other Arc B series gonna give. I still didn't see them selling at my country...yet.

There's no news of anything, yet. I've even heard rumours that the B770 might get cancelled, so don't get your hopes up.

I have much better hopes of the 9070 XT. It surely can't be so bad that a dodgy Intel GPU runs miles around it. ;)

ApocalypseeI dunno, UDNA seems pretty promising. The VLIW to GCN still fresh in my mind, but I hope they won't make the this same mistake.

We'll see. It's too far into the future for me to think anything about it. GCN was awesome, that's for sure.

If UDNA ends up being great, too, and I buy a 9070 XT with the thought that I'm not gonna upgrade for another 5-6 years, then well... damn. :D

AusWolfThere's no news of anything, yet. I've even heard rumours that the B770 might get cancelled, so don't get your hopes up.

I have much better hopes of the 9070 XT. It surely can't be so bad that a dodgy Intel GPU runs miles around it. ;)


We'll see. It's too far into the future for me to think anything about it. GCN was awesome, that's for sure.

If UDNA ends up being great, too, and I buy a 9070 XT with the thought that I'm not gonna upgrade for another 5-6 years, then well... damn. :D

The merge with enterprise card will properly as Tom from MooresLawIsDead saying help AMD to make another highend card since the cost for a high-end gaming card only is too high.

Link: youtube.com/shorts/43WSlQPJyao?si=cFBz8UlhbHCauU_8

Shou MikoThe merge with enterprise card will properly as Tom from MooresLawIsDead saying help AMD to make another highend card since the cost for a high-end gaming card only is too high.

Link: youtube.com/shorts/43WSlQPJyao?si=cFBz8UlhbHCauU_8

I don't give much credit to MLID. A lot of his future speculations end up being false for one reason or another.

Shou MikoThe merge with enterprise card will properly as Tom from MooresLawIsDead saying help AMD to make another highend card since the cost for a high-end gaming card only is too high.

Link: youtube.com/shorts/43WSlQPJyao?si=cFBz8UlhbHCauU_8

Don't make me block you for quoting MLID as a source.

AusWolfI don't give much credit to MLID. A lot of his future speculations end up being false for one reason or another.

Not saying everything everyone says is true, but it could be a good move merging RDNA into the UDNA and Enterprise line-up if that could help performance.

But if the perform as @Rightness_1 says is about 5% everything well keeping our cards for longer if they can hold would be nice.

Ironically my 2 Sapphire Radeon X800 GTO/GTO2 (ATI) cards looks in really good and should work just need to find an adapter to test with not wasting like £12 with shipping for one so this have to wait.

AusWolfThere's no news of anything, yet. I've even heard rumours that the B770 might get cancelled, so don't get your hopes up.

I have much better hopes of the 9070 XT. It surely can't be so bad that a dodgy Intel GPU runs miles around it. ;)


We'll see. It's too far into the future for me to think anything about it. GCN was awesome, that's for sure.

If UDNA ends up being great, too, and I buy a 9070 XT with the thought that I'm not gonna upgrade for another 5-6 years, then well... damn. :D

It's weird they got praises left and right yet...there isn't any in retail shops and no other news of their upcoming GPU as well. I guess it's not profitable or sustainable?

Yeah you got a point there. 9070 looks promising as it is and I have the same mindset actually, if UDNA turns out to be a game-changer, it still few years down the road.

EvrsrPrepare yourselves to be disappointed at the price.

JHH will applaud. The more you don't buy, the more you save ;)

Shou MikoNot saying everything everyone says is true, but it could be a good move merging RDNA into the UDNA and Enterprise line-up if that could help performance.

Could be. But it's still in development, at least 2 years away. I'm not gonna wait that long for an upgrade.

I'm not even desperate for an upgrade. It's only a handful of games where my 6750 XT struggles, so whatever comes next gen, I'm pretty sure I won't need it with a 9070 XT. :ohwell:
(my insatiable upgrade urges are a different matter) :D

ApocalypseeIt's weird they got praises left and right

I think much of Intel's praises come from the fact that they're a newcomer in the dGPU business. A participation medal, so to speak.

AusWolfCould be. But it's still in development, at least 2 years away. I'm not gonna wait that long for an upgrade.

I'm not even desperate for an upgrade. It's only a handful of games where my 6750 XT struggles, so whatever comes next gen, I'm pretty sure I won't need it with a 9070 XT. :ohwell:
(my insatiable upgrade urges are a different matter) :D

I totally understand I still argue with myself if I should buy a RX 7900 XTX now or wait for the RX 9070 XT benchmarks but I am not sure because I would hate being able to buy the XTX now and figure out it's faster en real performance without any upscaling than the RX 9070 XT even ray tracing should be much better even I do not use it and I haven't considered since it's still have a huge performance impact.

Shou MikoI totally understand I still argue with myself if I should buy a RX 7900 XTX now or wait for the RX 9070 XT benchmarks but I am not sure because I would hate being able to buy the XTX now and figure out it's faster en real performance without any upscaling than the RX 9070 XT even ray tracing should be much better even I do not use it and I haven't considered since it's still have a huge performance impact.

Do you want absolute performance? Get the 7900 XTX. Do you care about price, power consumption and feature upgrades, even if they cost you a little performance? Wait for the 9070 XT. This is my take on it. :)

Shou MikoI totally understand I still argue with myself if I should buy a RX 7900 XTX now or wait for the RX 9070 XT benchmarks but I am not sure because I would hate being able to buy the XTX now and figure out it's faster en real performance without any upscaling than the RX 9070 XT even ray tracing should be much better even I do not use it and I haven't considered since it's still have a huge performance impact.

At this point, wait.

If the 9070 xt is that good, you win.

If not, the previous gen would still lose value and become cheaper, you still win due to a reduced price.

So sit tight, it will be maybe 3 more weeks.

Neo_MorpheusAt this point, wait.

If the 9070 xt is that good, you win.

If not, the previous gen would still lose value and become cheaper, you still win due to a reduced price.

So sit tight, it will be maybe 3 more weeks.

Don't know about AMD but nvidia RTX 50 Series is really a big disappointment. I can not see RTX 5070 or RTX 5070 Ti going for a good price. What's the point of this all if current gen RX 7000 Series are better deal in terms of raw p/p. :confused:

Neo_MorpheusAt this point, wait.

If the 9070 xt is that good, you win.

If not, the previous gen would still lose value and become cheaper, you still win due to a reduced price.

So sit tight, it will be maybe 3 more weeks.

Problem is still after the release of the RX 9070 XT I properly won't be able to buy the specific RX 7900 XTX I want which is the PULSE version from Sapphire because I do not like the looks of their Nitro+ since the RX 590 Nitro+ and I do not feel like paying about £55-112 more for the Nitro+ even it will run more cool and quiet than the PULSE.

AusWolfDo you want absolute performance? Get the 7900 XTX. Do you care about price, power consumption and feature upgrades, even if they cost you a little performance? Wait for the 9070 XT. This is my take on it. :)

From all the leaks and rumors I can piece together where the RX 9070 XT lands but nothing is final since the NDA date is at the end of this month and I think "W" knows the NDA day and he properly have the card just not a driver for it yet (Not gonna tag him here).

From what I can piece together the chart kinda looks like this and it's from multiple sources top to bottom in raw performance
RX 7900 XTX
RX 9070 XT
RX 7900 XT
RX 9070

But again the above chart ain't final because depending on the game and it's "forced" settings for RT which we might see some games where it can cannot be turned off the chart might looks like this
RX 9070 XT
RX 9070
RX 7900 XTX
RX 7900 XT

Again this is just me writing something and I am not known to be correct or anything but most of the leaks and rumors I read/see and remember keeps me awake from time to time thinking about where AMD actually is planning to land RDNA4 since we know that there ain't gonna be a RX 9080/9080 XT for RDNA4 even it would have been nice to see where AMD could tune the performance to be at.

Because a RX 9070 XT is rumored to have the same numbers of CU as the RX 7900 XTX but less Shader Units which is why I still believe that the RX 9070 XT will beat or dance with the RX 7900 XT but not the XTX but it's hard to compare different architecture even from the same company specially when one architechture haven't been "released" yet.

KritDon't know about AMD but nvidia RTX 50 Series is really a big disappointment. I can not see RTX 5070 or RTX 5070 Ti going for a good price. What's the point of this all if current gen RX 7000 Series are better deal in terms of raw p/p. :confused:

raw performance do matter because why buy a Nvidia card and use DLSS when a you can get a AMD card for the same or less than can dance in circles around the Nvidia cards in raw performance without raytracing which is the place Nvidia shine but the any card under RTX x070 haven't been designed to do much raytracing to begin with, so I more would like to have raw performance than using a upscaler to be able to get something fancy on my screen.

I have for years loved Sapphire's Trixx software with "Trixx Boost" yes I know it's just like a fancy custom resolution but again by lowering the the resolution scale in procent you can actually get better experience than a upscaler when it comes to performance and quality because you don't run your game at full navtive resolution of your monitor and it didn't look weird when I tested it a couple of years ago with my RX 5700 XT was my last card.

Source: www.sapphiretech.com/en/software

KritDon't know about AMD but nvidia RTX 50 Series is really a big disappointment. I can not see RTX 5070 or RTX 5070 Ti going for a good price.

Ngreedia dont care, since they know that a lot of fanbois will blindly keep giving them money.

KritWhat's the point of this all if current gen RX 7000 Series are better deal in terms of raw p/p. :confused:

Again, wait for the reviews, but RDNA4 seems to have some needed refinements over RDNA3.

If you need more than 16GB vram, then your choices are 7900 XT and XTX, assuming that you refuse to give Ngreedia money.

Shou MikoI properly won't be able to buy the specific RX 7900 XTX I want which is the PULSE version from Sapphire

Why not?

Seems that they still have stock and you can always buy used.

By the way, thats the gpu that I have and its great.

Shou Mikoraw performance do matter

If thats the case, get a used 4090.

You need to check what you currently have, how is that working and why you need more and whats your budget and need.

Neo_MorpheusSeems that they still have stock and you can always buy used.

By the way, thats the gpu that I have and its great.

Where I am located there ain't much used expect XFX and I can't stand their models I had their RX 7900 XT Merc319 even it was like 2.5 slots at max and hella long with 3 fans it wasn't my cup of tea because of their temps and noise level for the card.

I been around the block with the RX 6000 series had 3 different version of the RX 6800 XT. First was MSI Gaming X Trio, Second AMD's Reference and last Powercolor's Red Devil.

MSI use to be great with their Twin Frozr cooler but now not even attaching the cooler to the i/o bracket of the graphics card causing gpu sag in a normal case with their 25 cent last min anti-sag solution that was a pain to install even with my case on the site had me getting rid of it.

AMD's own RX 6800 XT Reference card ran really good in my system, nice temps not loud and didn't have any sagging issues since the shoud was properly attached to the i/o bracket.

Powercolor's Red Devil card was my last RX 6800 XT and it was actually really good when it game to build quality and performance but not really a card for me in their style but a solid card over all.

Neo_MorpheusIf thats the case, get a used 4090.

You need to check what you currently have, how is that working and why you need more and whats your budget and need.

I guess you haven't seen the one of the last topics I created here on TPU about Nvidia.

I am tired of them and their bad drivers and their standing on not playing nice if you have AMD's or Intel's control panel installed on the system, because I do not wish to either miss AMD or Intel's control panel for igpu or disabling it.

Because if I need to troubleshoot and I forget that I have disabled the igpu in the bios and have to reset the uefi(bios) to get it back ain't worth it when Nvidia just have to get use to people can use igpus for things too.

I am currently running a Sapphire Radeon RX 590 Nitro+ Special Edition (A solid card, love the small size and the blue colour wish Sapphire would make another card in this colour) with a AMD Radeon RX 660 (AMD Graphics on Ryzen 7000 CPU) at 1440p in Windows 11 IoT Enterprise using a custom driver that can be seen in my signature ;)

My Pulse is 2.5 wide and also long, so you wont like it.

Sorry missed your other thread, so looks like AMD only for you (high five from me!)

I then will repeat, wait a bit, its only 3 weeks or so for the embargo to be lifted and who knows if they will start selling them right away.

springs113Dgpu sales is not bad either and at the end of the day, they're all grouped together. Regardless AMD is not really losing, we are. We the consumers aren't making the proper decisions when it comes to purchases. Hence the current market. I just watched a dude blame AMD because his 7900xtx system was not running spiderman 2 properly, only to find out that it was his ssd that was the issue. The comment section ripped AMD a new one yet no apologies for the incorrect initial assumption.

Yup a camera guy got 1 and it runs his software like a champ

Shou MikoProblem is still after the release of the RX 9070 XT I properly won't be able to buy the specific RX 7900 XTX I want which is the PULSE version from Sapphire because I do not like the looks of their Nitro+ since the RX 590 Nitro+ and I do not feel like paying about £55-112 more for the Nitro+ even it will run more cool and quiet than the PULSE.



From all the leaks and rumors I can piece together where the RX 9070 XT lands but nothing is final since the NDA date is at the end of this month and I think "W" knows the NDA day and he properly have the card just not a driver for it yet (Not gonna tag him here).

From what I can piece together the chart kinda looks like this and it's from multiple sources top to bottom in raw performance
RX 7900 XTX
RX 9070 XT
RX 7900 XT
RX 9070

But again the above chart ain't final because depending on the game and it's "forced" settings for RT which we might see some games where it can cannot be turned off the chart might looks like this
RX 9070 XT
RX 9070
RX 7900 XTX
RX 7900 XT

Again this is just me writing something and I am not known to be correct or anything but most of the leaks and rumors I read/see and remember keeps me awake from time to time thinking about where AMD actually is planning to land RDNA4 since we know that there ain't gonna be a RX 9080/9080 XT for RDNA4 even it would have been nice to see where AMD could tune the performance to be at.

Because a RX 9070 XT is rumored to have the same numbers of CU as the RX 7900 XTX but less Shader Units which is why I still believe that the RX 9070 XT will beat or dance with the RX 7900 XT but not the XTX but it's hard to compare different architecture even from the same company specially when one architechture haven't been "released" yet.



raw performance do matter because why buy a Nvidia card and use DLSS when a you can get a AMD card for the same or less than can dance in circles around the Nvidia cards in raw performance without raytracing which is the place Nvidia shine but the any card under RTX x070 haven't been designed to do much raytracing to begin with, so I more would like to have raw performance than using a upscaler to be able to get something fancy on my screen.

I have for years loved Sapphire's Trixx software with "Trixx Boost" yes I know it's just like a fancy custom resolution but again by lowering the the resolution scale in procent you can actually get better experience than a upscaler when it comes to performance and quality because you don't run your game at full navtive resolution of your monitor and it didn't look weird when I tested it a couple of years ago with my RX 5700 XT was my last card.

Source: www.sapphiretech.com/en/software

Hey Man, Just go for the 7900XTX while it is around, because once 9070/XT production is in full swing prices on last gen parts start going up due to scalping mentality.

Shou MikoProblem is still after the release of the RX 9070 XT I properly won't be able to buy the specific RX 7900 XTX I want which is the PULSE version from Sapphire because I do not like the looks of their Nitro+ since the RX 590 Nitro+ and I do not feel like paying about £55-112 more for the Nitro+ even it will run more cool and quiet than the PULSE.



From all the leaks and rumors I can piece together where the RX 9070 XT lands but nothing is final since the NDA date is at the end of this month and I think "W" knows the NDA day and he properly have the card just not a driver for it yet (Not gonna tag him here).

From what I can piece together the chart kinda looks like this and it's from multiple sources top to bottom in raw performance
RX 7900 XTX
RX 9070 XT
RX 7900 XT
RX 9070

But again the above chart ain't final because depending on the game and it's "forced" settings for RT which we might see some games where it can cannot be turned off the chart might looks like this
RX 9070 XT
RX 9070
RX 7900 XTX
RX 7900 XT

Again this is just me writing something and I am not known to be correct or anything but most of the leaks and rumors I read/see and remember keeps me awake from time to time thinking about where AMD actually is planning to land RDNA4 since we know that there ain't gonna be a RX 9080/9080 XT for RDNA4 even it would have been nice to see where AMD could tune the performance to be at.

Because a RX 9070 XT is rumored to have the same numbers of CU as the RX 7900 XTX but less Shader Units which is why I still believe that the RX 9070 XT will beat or dance with the RX 7900 XT but not the XTX but it's hard to compare different architecture even from the same company specially when one architechture haven't been "released" yet.

No, it's 64 CUs vs 96 CUs on the 9070 XT vs 7900 XTX. But the 9070 XT is higher clocked and has new RT engines. Take your pick. :)

Shou Mikoraw performance do matter because why buy a Nvidia card and use DLSS when a you can get a AMD card for the same or less than can dance in circles around the Nvidia cards in raw performance without raytracing which is the place Nvidia shine but the any card under RTX x070 haven't been designed to do much raytracing to begin with, so I more would like to have raw performance than using a upscaler to be able to get something fancy on my screen.

I agree completely.

AusWolfI agree completely.

It would be nice if we have the "best" of both worlds, or at least an entryway, and some continuity between RDNA 4 and whatever comes next. Not sure how enthused I am with a term like "stopgap generation"

Perhaps phasing is incompatible with moving fast and breaking stuff?!

I remember reading a while ago that "life without continuity wouldn't make sense". The function of the ego in certain schools of thought, I believe.

AusWolfNo, it's 64 CUs vs 96 CUs on the 9070 XT vs 7900 XTX. But the 9070 XT is higher clocked and has new RT engines. Take your pick. :)

64 or 96 CUs I am not 100% on this it could even be 75 not sure what AMD has been cooking since sources says different things, so no matter I am excited to see how it goes because there should be a couple of games where RT is mandatory and cannot be turned off and I do not want to suffer from this just because devs do not realize that not all of us really want RT with the performance drop it comes with.

Jtuck9It would be nice if we have the "best" of both worlds, or at least an entryway, and some continuity between RDNA 4 and whatever comes next.

If you want the best of both there is a long way because no upscaler is puurfect (typo because I can), I rather do like I said with the Sapphire's Trixx Boost not like if you go from 100% to 95% resolution you can see the difference but the performance uplift in the past wasn't 5% it was more so it was a win.

eidairaman1Hey Man, Just go for the 7900XTX while it is around, because once 9070/XT production is in full swing prices on last gen parts start going up due to scalping mentality.

Thanks @eidairaman1 but my mentally is arguing in my head every time I think about it which is annoying. Are you still rocking your Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Vapor-X or what have you moved on to? I doubt a little you still run Win7 but I do not see you running Linux but I could be wrong :D

To be frank right now I am a bit short on cash only having £703 saved up and the Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Pulse costs £851,77 but I can get in 3 installments for £284,63 per pay which is not really bad and the company doing this say it has no fee but I would pay £2,12 more for the card which is like kinda a joke because that's not really something I would mind to pay.

Shou MikoIf you want the best of both there is a long way because no upscaler is puurfect (typo because I can), I rather do like I said with the Sapphire's Trixx Boost not like if you go from 100% to 95% resolution you can see the difference but the performance uplift in the past wasn't 5% it was more so it was a win.

True. I was thinking more so the scope for improvement as the lifecycle progresses, with more efficient algorithms etc, like that RTX raytracing DF video I liked somewhere.

Jtuck9True. I was thinking more so the scope for improvement as the lifecycle progresses, with more efficient algorithms etc, like that RTX raytracing DF video I liked somewhere.

We will see efficiency improvements before performance I am still interested in 3DMark and gaming tests of the AMD Ryzen 9 Ai Max+ 395 chip with it's igpu even the 128GB sounds really a bit too much but it's made for compute not gaming.

But talking about efficiency I would still love to see AMD find their power moment where we could have a 200-250W card that performance like a RX 7900 XTX or RTX 4080 Super but the RX 9070 should be around 250-330W give or take with some AIB models having 3x8pins for a heavy oc.

This was seen at CES even I sadly wasn't there since I am not in the US and I cannot even get into the "CES" in Germany when it's around I was one year but that's like 3 years ago and it was awesome.
I would love to go again but sadly I doubt someone from any of the tech companies would send me a invite even it would make me really happy to take the day/days off from work to be for the whole event.